[quote]spyoptic wrote:
do you squat and deadlift on a regular basis? you’re eating plenty of cals IMO but are you hitting at least 240 grams of protein a day?[/quote]
Wait, so you don’t base whether you are eating enough on whether you are gaining weight/strength, you base it on how much protein you are eating?
Please explain in detail why this is so.
[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Tribunaldude- thanks for the tip on involving more chest. I almost always feel like I “bench with my shoulders” and they’re even sore a lot after I bench.
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You’re not flaring your elbows out on the bench, are you? That would make for sore shoulders and less chest involvement. (I used to do that and experienced the same)
[quote]Professor X wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
do you squat and deadlift on a regular basis? you’re eating plenty of cals IMO but are you hitting at least 240 grams of protein a day?
Wait, so you don’t base whether you are eating enough on whether you are gaining weight/strength, you base it on how much protein you are eating?
Please explain in detail why this is so.[/quote]
no, Im just trying to cover all of his bases. besides, he can’t weight himself everyday and expect changes.
try this. Do 5 sets of 5 every week on flat bench. Every week increase the weight by 5 pounds. Try it for 12 weeks. After flat do incline DB presses 4 x 8. The hit some sort of incline fly for 4 x 12. You should have no problem making your chest grow. Sounds like your form is way off. Ask someone who knows what they are doing to help you with form. You will be surprised to see the difference it will make in strength gains.
Spyoptic- Good points. I like the burn out at the end of a chest routine even doing pushups or body weight dips to failure.
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Professor X wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
do you squat and deadlift on a regular basis? you’re eating plenty of cals IMO but are you hitting at least 240 grams of protein a day?
Wait, so you don’t base whether you are eating enough on whether you are gaining weight/strength, you base it on how much protein you are eating?
Please explain in detail why this is so.
no, Im just trying to cover all of his bases. besides, he can’t weight himself everyday and expect changes.
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You just told him it looks like his caloric intake was fine. Why would you say this unless you know he is gaining?
Why do we have the same questions over and over?Hes posted 300 times and has been a member since the start of 2007.I joined December last year and I have seen a few posts like this!
Its quite obvious it aint going to be your not hitting your chest hard enough.
The answer is your probably not eating enough…as usual.
Sorry that post made me sound like a dick,no offense intended.
Has no one looked at this guys profile? He’s 6’1" and 160 lbs. While he may need advice on how to bench properly, he just needs to get a hell of a lot bigger and stronger overall. He doesn’t have lagging bodyparts yet; he has a lagging body. If he gains 60+ lbs and adds considerably to the weight he handles for his work sets, and STILL has a small chest in relation to everything else, then maybe he has a problem the group can try to help him tackle. Until then, he just needs to get a shit-load bigger and stronger.
If you want to make a bodypart grow, you need to eat enough food to illicit growth and allow yourself to get stronger in the movements you’ve picked for it.
If the lifts you’ve chosen for it aren’t getting stronger then right then you can bet you won’t be growing much.
How long have you been using the program you are on? Some people just have a hard time with their pecs and it takes longer.
In any case - if dont think you are eating enough, you aren’t. Any training you do is a waste if you don’t supply your body with what it needs.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
Professor X wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
do you squat and deadlift on a regular basis? you’re eating plenty of cals IMO but are you hitting at least 240 grams of protein a day?
Wait, so you don’t base whether you are eating enough on whether you are gaining weight/strength, you base it on how much protein you are eating?
Please explain in detail why this is so.
no, Im just trying to cover all of his bases. besides, he can’t weight himself everyday and expect changes.
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You just told him it looks like his caloric intake was fine. Why would you say this unless you know he is gaining?[/quote]
Isn’t it obvious by his screen-name? He’s a spy. He watches the OP weigh-in on a weekly basis through use of a…you guessed it–high-powered optic.
Any who…why in the fuck is everybody ponying-up chest-specialization programs? Look at his pictures. His chest looks fine…for a 6’1", 160 lb guy. I’m sure it will come along nicely if he trains and eats what it takes to add 100-200 lbs to his major lifts and accordingly a bunch of weight to his frame.
Shit I don’t know, I guess my chest responds very well or you’re doing something wrong. Are you getting stronger on any of the pressing movements? …Oh I see that your stats say: 6’1 at 162 
Well that’s part of the problem. You probably need another 60-70lbs so you look like you workout in a normal sized shirt. IMO, its all meat and potatoes until you hit at least 230. I feel safe in stating this since this is the bodybuilding forum and not the Shuga biased supplement and nutrition section. Heavy presses, using all the angles, and heavy eating. Not rocket science.
Sorry bud, but I think it’s hilarious that you’re worried about growing your chest. I looked at your profile pics, and quite frankly, you just need to grow - period.
Start working your entire body with compound lifts; specifically squats, deadlifts, and overhead presses. Specialization at 6’1", 160 lbs is borderline Special Olympics.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
Professor X wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
do you squat and deadlift on a regular basis? you’re eating plenty of cals IMO but are you hitting at least 240 grams of protein a day?
Wait, so you don’t base whether you are eating enough on whether you are gaining weight/strength, you base it on how much protein you are eating?
Please explain in detail why this is so.
no, Im just trying to cover all of his bases. besides, he can’t weight himself everyday and expect changes.
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You just told him it looks like his caloric intake was fine. Why would you say this unless you know he is gaining?[/quote]
well, my reasoning is if hes trainng properly, hes got 1.5g protein/per lbs and consuming 3500 kcals a day, hes well above maintenance for a 160 lbs guy.
or you can take gorilla’s word for it.
[quote]pech24 wrote:
try this. Do 5 sets of 5 every week on flat bench. Every week increase the weight by 5 pounds. Try it for 12 weeks. After flat do incline DB presses 4 x 8. The hit some sort of incline fly for 4 x 12. You should have no problem making your chest grow. Sounds like your form is way off. Ask someone who knows what they are doing to help you with form. You will be surprised to see the difference it will make in strength gains.
Spyoptic- Good points. I like the burn out at the end of a chest routine even doing pushups or body weight dips to failure. [/quote]
thx buddy. need a friend?
[quote]mr popular wrote:
Professor X wrote:
His profile has him listed at 160lbs at 6’1" and some of you are talking about rep ranges and tempo?
I was wondering this too…
The guy even states in his original post that he doesn’t eat enough. The solution to his problem is right there.[/quote]
Yeah, I forgot to check his profile prior to responding. Fuckin a bro…your problem probably has nothing to do with training at all.
[quote]jCaesar88 wrote:
Thanks guys. I guess I’m making it more complicated than it really is. Ugh, if I wasn’t so sore for so long, that would help.
Tribunaldude- thanks for the tip on involving more chest. I almost always feel like I “bench with my shoulders” and they’re even sore a lot after I bench.
Once again guys, thanks for the input.[/quote]
Ok man, I have the same problem where my chest dont respond very well and I have finally figured out how to make it grow like a weed. First off eat, second off eat more. Then as far as training, I do 4 sets of 5 pyramiding myself up to my 5 rep max then i do a set of 12. Do that with flat/incline then go flat/decline, then do flys and make sure to stick your chest out and squeeze and stretch you pecs when you are doing them.
Also with your rep tempo like someone said explode up and take a 3 sec negative down and dont touch your chest unless you have to. Also read about doggcrapp training and do the stretches especially the chest one. That stretch alone made my chest get much fuller looking over the course of a few months. Good luck.
[quote]Vanilla-Gorilla wrote:
Has no one looked at this guys profile? He’s 6’1" and 160 lbs. While he may need advice on how to bench properly, he just needs to get a hell of a lot bigger and stronger overall. He doesn’t have lagging bodyparts yet; he has a lagging body. If he gains 60+ lbs and adds considerably to the weight he handles for his work sets, and STILL has a small chest in relation to everything else, then maybe he has a problem the group can try to help him tackle. Until then, he just needs to get a shit-load bigger and stronger.[/quote]
This post by Vanilla-Gorilla should just be the end of the thread. You need distinct muscle groups before they can lag. OP shouldn’t worry so much with the over analysis. Just relax about those details and go lift. I’d bet ya in 6 months with everything done right you won’t feel the same way about things.
[quote]BSC819 wrote:
jCaesar88 wrote:
Thanks guys. I guess I’m making it more complicated than it really is. Ugh, if I wasn’t so sore for so long, that would help.
Tribunaldude- thanks for the tip on involving more chest. I almost always feel like I “bench with my shoulders” and they’re even sore a lot after I bench.
Once again guys, thanks for the input.
Ok man, I have the same problem where my chest dont respond very well and I have finally figured out how to make it grow like a weed. First off eat, second off eat more. Then as far as training, I do 4 sets of 5 pyramiding myself up to my 5 rep max then i do a set of 12. Do that with flat/incline then go flat/decline, then do flys and make sure to stick your chest out and squeeze and stretch you pecs when you are doing them.
Also with your rep tempo like someone said explode up and take a 3 sec negative down and dont touch your chest unless you have to. Also read about doggcrapp training and do the stretches especially the chest one. That stretch alone made my chest get much fuller looking over the course of a few months. Good luck.[/quote]
Dude, as stated, he’s 160 at 6’1. 
[quote]spyoptic wrote:
Professor X wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
Professor X wrote:
spyoptic wrote:
do you squat and deadlift on a regular basis? you’re eating plenty of cals IMO but are you hitting at least 240 grams of protein a day?
Wait, so you don’t base whether you are eating enough on whether you are gaining weight/strength, you base it on how much protein you are eating?
Please explain in detail why this is so.
no, Im just trying to cover all of his bases. besides, he can’t weight himself everyday and expect changes.
?
You just told him it looks like his caloric intake was fine. Why would you say this unless you know he is gaining?
well, my reasoning is if hes trainng properly, hes got 1.5g protein/per lbs and consuming 3500 kcals a day, hes well above maintenance for a 160 lbs guy.
or you can take gorilla’s word for it.[/quote]
Calorie calculators are BS, you can’t know what maintenence level is just by looking at someones weight, there are too many other factors. I know a guy that bulks at 3500kcal a day and is 240lbs, I’m just over 200 and I’m hitting 5000kcal daily. I’m sure there are guys out that need even more to gain.