[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
IOC orders investigation into He Kexin’s age.
“Insurmountable evidence that suggests”? Odd choice of words.[/quote]
I’ve never really thought much about journalists’ ability to pick a sensible string of words and put them together.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
IOC orders investigation into He Kexin’s age.
“Insurmountable evidence that suggests”? Odd choice of words.[/quote]
Well, from the Chinese perspective, factual evidence is probably seen as an obstacle to be “surmounted” if they want to replace it with their cheap “Made in China” version of reality.
My bet is that they’ll deny forever.
The IOC and the rest of the world should “officially” strip them of all undeserved medals; reallocate them to the deserving athletes and publish all medal tables with an asterisk next to China’s name, indicating the cheating.
Lets see them retcon that.
The IOC has officially closed the investigation. Nothing to see here folks.
[quote]streamline wrote:
You were what you were born. [/quote]
And this is still true no matter what education may be bestowed upon anyone. The dark ages are long gone which is not attributed to education but rathear respect for property.
Education happens regardless of where one goes to school. School isn’t even a necessary factor for a proper education. All that matters is that a person have an open mind, an ability to discern truth through rational discourse, and a decent “parental figure” to reinforce it. No amount of “public education” will do this. Indeed, one is born with these faculties and they cannot bestowed by government authority.
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Without education you do not succeed. [/quote]
What kind of education? What is success?
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The rights and freedoms that we experience today are a direct result of an educated population.[/quote]
Wrong. The rights and freedoms one has exist because one is alive and he or she is the sole owner of their own life and everything they produce with it.
Wrong again! Read your history. There was not dept. of education at the founding. In fact, Massachusetts was hell bent on giving their children a religious education. The governors of the early states saw public education mainly as a way to indoctrinate children – but of course it was instilled in the parents’ minds with platitudes like those you speak of.
Majority rule creates minority groups. In fact democracy is a tyranny of the majority over the minority. It flies directly in the face of what you say.
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Therefore it is our duty to defend it. Freedom is a right, but it has to be fought for. There are those that would not hesitate to take it way from us. Are you one of them, or will you fight to be free. Now remeber if you are stupid you are not free, you would have to depend on smart people to run your life for you.
Something like in China, where the majority of the population is kept uneducated. This allows the governing body to manipulate them. The ignorant are used as grunts in the army, which uses them to control the educated. Something like Tiamin Square.
So basically without education you have only what others want you to have. I fail to see how you can think this would be a good thing. [/quote]
Platitudes and rhetoric is all this is. I am not giving a value judgment about whether education is good, bad, necessary, or not. Education is not the business of government. That is all I am stating.
Education is important for sure, at least in my opinion, but there is no set standard of what it should consist of or when it should end.
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Lifticus fancies himself as a “stirrer of the pot” who asks the challenging questions. In reality, he is nothing more than cheap philosophical batting practice for anyone with a 10th grade education and lives in the real world.[/quote]
You’re quite generous.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The IOC has officially closed the investigation. Nothing to see here folks.[/quote]
Which is it?
[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Lifticus fancies himself as a “stirrer of the pot” who asks the challenging questions. In reality, he is nothing more than cheap philosophical batting practice for anyone with a 10th grade education and lives in the real world.[/quote]
10th grade, huh? Why not 8th or 7th? You must have gone to a really bad public school. I think it would be a compliment to my ability to speak plainly if young people can understand what I say to a point they can form their own rational opinions of it. What point is it to speak so that only a minority of people can understand? Though, indeed, I don’t attempt to dumb it down unless someone, like you, really needs it…
Besides, if anything, I fancy myself as the “Johnny Appleseed of Liberty”. Might as well be literary as well as philosophical.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Besides, if anything, I fancy myself as the “Johnny Appleseed of Liberty”. Might as well be literary as well as philosophical.[/quote]
Your definitely planting something.
But don’t break anything trying to pat yourself on the back.
You have the knowledge level of a child. You think you are smart, but continuously change positions, and basically make shit up.
That is not a sign of a mature mind.
Your concepts are so basic that none of them have any place in real society.
You think, therefore you are correct. But you are the only one who can see victory on the face of your over whleming defeats.
[quote]pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The IOC has officially closed the investigation. Nothing to see here folks.
Which is it?
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It looks like they are changing their tune or it was a bad report. I read this morning the IOC completed their investigation in 12 hours and said no evidence, case closed. When I went to find that story it was gone. Now they are saying no evidence but they will look more.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
Besides, if anything, I fancy myself as the “Johnny Appleseed of Liberty”. Might as well be literary as well as philosophical.
Your definitely planting something. .
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Just fertilizer.
[quote]pookie wrote:
lixy wrote:
Sloth wrote:
IOC orders investigation into He Kexin’s age.
“Insurmountable evidence that suggests”? Odd choice of words.
Well, from the Chinese perspective, factual evidence is probably seen as an obstacle to be “surmounted” if they want to replace it with their cheap “Made in China” version of reality.
My bet is that they’ll deny forever.
The IOC and the rest of the world should “officially” strip them of all undeserved medals; reallocate them to the deserving athletes and publish all medal tables with an asterisk next to China’s name, indicating the cheating.
Lets see them retcon that.
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That would be hysterical! The Chinese are all about pride and image that being label as cheaters in the Olympics would be a huge embarrassment. You can bet somebody at the IOC is getting a giant wad of Yuans to make this whole thing go away.
My guess is it will be swept under the rug again…But who knows, it would be hilarious if the government were cold caught cheating in the Olympics.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
pookie wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The IOC has officially closed the investigation. Nothing to see here folks.
Which is it?
It looks like they are changing their tune or it was a bad report. I read this morning the IOC completed their investigation in 12 hours and said no evidence, case closed. When I went to find that story it was gone. Now they are saying no evidence but they will look more.[/quote]
I read a yahoo article similar to what you are talking about, but when I went back to get the link for the pookster - the article was taken down.
The IOC are a bunch of greedy fucking buffoons.Nothing will come of this investigation,but I hope I’m proved wrong.
[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
The IOC are a bunch of greedy fucking buffoons.Nothing will come of this investigation,but I hope I’m proved wrong.[/quote]
The IOC is quite similar to the UN. The idea is noble, but about as corrupt as an election in South Texas.
[quote]pat wrote:
The announcers were making reference to that fact as they discuss one of the gymnasts who called her parents begging to come home and they refused to take her. They were discussing this during the group competition…How true that is, I am not sure but I wouldn’t be surprised. The Soviets were famous for doing the same thing with their gymnasts and ice skaters, so it’s not a giant leap to think the Chinese would do the same thing. Not with their record of cruelty, mandatory abortions and disgarding of female children.
I hate it when parents do that to their kids, but at least it’s parents doing it and not the government.
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The Chinese make a point of stocking their programs with the children of their half-billion rural peasants. They do this because both the parents and even the very youngest children are desperate for an opportunity to upgrade their lot in life and will do whatever they have to do to achieve this. It’s been remarked that even their 6 year olds show more maturity and drive than a typical western teenager. This isn’t surprising considering that the best a non-genius kid from this background could hope to do with their life is move to an urban factory and earn a few dollars a day, sending back half of that to support their elderly parents. While their training may border on cruel, so does life for someone born into such circumstances. In the case of the kid begging to go home, I have very little doubt that the government needed to have anything to do with it. Her parents know that there are plenty of kids all to eager to take her place and she had an opportunity to transform her and their life radically for the better. The world looks different for people born into poverty.
[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
thunderbolt23 wrote:
Lifticus fancies himself as a “stirrer of the pot” who asks the challenging questions. In reality, he is nothing more than cheap philosophical batting practice for anyone with a 10th grade education and lives in the real world.
10th grade, huh? Why not 8th or 7th? You must have gone to a really bad public school. I think it would be a compliment to my ability to speak plainly if young people can understand what I say to a point they can form their own rational opinions of it.
What point is it to speak so that only a minority of people can understand?[/quote]
I didn’t note your clarity and simplicity of speech - or lack of it - I pointed out your sorry insistence on muddying up good discussions by asking questions you think are “challenging”, but are useless abstractions.
Of course.
You aren’t the Johnny Appleseed of anything - you are too-old version of the 14 year old who dresses in black every day and etches encircled A’s in your notebook and reflexively hates authority because you think you are being “revolutionary”.
It’s dumb. And getting dumber.
To your point to Rainjack about the Founding Fathers and public education - the lack of a federal department of education has nothing to say about their positions on public education.
They were federalists on the issue - they didn’t think the federal government should provide such a role, but they were more than happy to let states provide it.
There is a difference - not wanting a particular service at a particular level of government isn’t the same as not wanting government to provide the function at all. Learn the difference.
And more besides, the Founding Father that serves as America’s libertarian patron saint established the University of Virginia - ole TJ was a huge fan of public education, even as he had no interest in the federal government providing it.