[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
If you didn’t get the response you anticipated, maybe it is because you didn’t put your question in any context. What kind of a dumb assed open ended fucking question is wailing “When should I start?” like an obnoxious spoiled brat and then taking an online tantrum when you are not understood? That shows a lot of appreciation for the time and effort dedicated to you!![/quote]
So much anger…
Let me see if I can make it easier:
What is the colour of Napoleon’s white horse?
[quote]Big Gay AL wrote:
Let me see if I can make it easier:
What is the colour of Napoleon’s white horse?[/quote]
Look really why does it need to be JUST a 12 week program ?
Are the program Gods going to smite you for doing the program for longer ?
Add to that what are you going to do post cycle for a program ?
You sound like you the typical ADD program jumper thats epedemic on here.
So in closing… start the program 1 week after you front load.
Then you will be fine.
Though why you choose to do GVT is beyond me… but hey its your body.
Oh yeah buddy, you are going to get a lot of help from now on prima donna…
[quote]Big Gay AL wrote:
Let me see if I can make it easier:
What is the colour of Napoleon’s white horse?[/quote]
so because you are a soft skulled moron with little to no reading comprehension,that also has no ability to think for himself
thank gives you the right to come back and be rude,condescending and disrespectful.
I hope you got what you were looking for out of the 'bro" boards
enjoy your tits and depression from failed “cycles”
[quote]MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
Let me see if I can make it easier:
What is the colour of Napoleon’s white horse?
so because you are a soft skulled moron with little to no reading comprehension,that also has no ability to think for himself
thank gives you the right to come back and be rude,condescending and disrespectful.
I hope you got what you were looking for out of the 'bro" boards
enjoy your tits and depression from failed “cycles”
[/quote]
You get offended too easily
[quote]Dynamo Hum wrote:
Oh yeah buddy, you are going to get a lot of help from now on prima donna…[/quote]
In other words: I hurt your feelings.
[quote]300andabove wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
Let me see if I can make it easier:
What is the colour of Napoleon’s white horse?
Look really why does it need to be JUST a 12 week program ?
Are the program Gods going to smite you for doing the program for longer ?
Add to that what are you going to do post cycle for a program ?
You sound like you the typical ADD program jumper thats epedemic on here.
So in closing… start the program 1 week after you front load.
Then you will be fine.
Though why you choose to do GVT is beyond me… but hey its your body.[/quote]
ADD program jumper… ??? LOL I like that.
4 weeks unload.
6 weeks weight loss, endurance and high volume in preparation for 6 weeks strength and power followed by 4 weeks strength is enough time for me to thing about what’s next.
It seems reasonable for me
Thanks for the answer to my original question. I truly don’t mind any input and comment related to the subject, as long as my post is taken in consideration, and not just used to show how smart the replier is, even though there is total disregard for the OP
[quote]Big Gay AL wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
Let me see if I can make it easier:
What is the colour of Napoleon’s white horse?
so because you are a soft skulled moron with little to no reading comprehension,that also has no ability to think for himself
thank gives you the right to come back and be rude,condescending and disrespectful.
I hope you got what you were looking for out of the 'bro" boards
enjoy your tits and depression from failed “cycles”
You get offended too easily[/quote]
who said anything about being offended.
so I am calling you on your shit that means im offended?
if you really think that the internet is that important then you are as retarded as I claim you are.
[quote]MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
Let me see if I can make it easier:
What is the colour of Napoleon’s white horse?
so because you are a soft skulled moron with little to no reading comprehension,that also has no ability to think for himself
thank gives you the right to come back and be rude,condescending and disrespectful.
I hope you got what you were looking for out of the 'bro" boards
enjoy your tits and depression from failed “cycles”
You get offended too easily
who said anything about being offended.
so I am calling you on your shit that means im offended?
if you really think that the internet is that important then you are as retarded as I claim you are.
[/quote]
Off course you are offended/hurt look at the language that you use.
Who is the internet gladiator here???
[quote]Big Gay AL wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
Let me see if I can make it easier:
What is the colour of Napoleon’s white horse?
so because you are a soft skulled moron with little to no reading comprehension,that also has no ability to think for himself
thank gives you the right to come back and be rude,condescending and disrespectful.
I hope you got what you were looking for out of the 'bro" boards
enjoy your tits and depression from failed “cycles”
You get offended too easily
who said anything about being offended.
so I am calling you on your shit that means im offended?
if you really think that the internet is that important then you are as retarded as I claim you are.
Off course you are offended/hurt look at the language that you use.
Who is the internet gladiator here???[/quote]
look at the rest of ALL of my posts .
you will see that my language has not changed at all
but I guess I will go in my emo corner and cry now because some idiot troll hurt my fewwings.
ohhh noooo
[quote]MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
Let me see if I can make it easier:
What is the colour of Napoleon’s white horse?
so because you are a soft skulled moron with little to no reading comprehension,that also has no ability to think for himself
thank gives you the right to come back and be rude,condescending and disrespectful.
I hope you got what you were looking for out of the 'bro" boards
enjoy your tits and depression from failed “cycles”
You get offended too easily
who said anything about being offended.
so I am calling you on your shit that means im offended?
if you really think that the internet is that important then you are as retarded as I claim you are.
Off course you are offended/hurt look at the language that you use.
Who is the internet gladiator here???
look at the rest of ALL of my posts .
you will see that my language has not changed at all
but I guess I will go in my emo corner and cry now because some idiot troll hurt my fewwings.
ohhh noooo
[/quote]
Your FEW WINGS??? LOL
[quote]Big Gay AL wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
MaddyD wrote:
Big Gay AL wrote:
Let me see if I can make it easier:
What is the colour of Napoleon’s white horse?
so because you are a soft skulled moron with little to no reading comprehension,that also has no ability to think for himself
thank gives you the right to come back and be rude,condescending and disrespectful.
I hope you got what you were looking for out of the 'bro" boards
enjoy your tits and depression from failed “cycles”
You get offended too easily
who said anything about being offended.
so I am calling you on your shit that means im offended?
if you really think that the internet is that important then you are as retarded as I claim you are.
Off course you are offended/hurt look at the language that you use.
Who is the internet gladiator here???
look at the rest of ALL of my posts .
you will see that my language has not changed at all
but I guess I will go in my emo corner and cry now because some idiot troll hurt my fewwings.
ohhh noooo
Your FEW WINGS??? LOL[/quote]
yes my few wings,lol fucker
im supposed to be emo and hurt not laughing remember?
That is the point here - while the OP has planned for a 12 week training regime consisting of two macrocycles - he thinks that 12 weeks on a cycle is what is needed… however this is not truly accurate.
This is true simply because at the OP’s age, it is a fairly risky thing to suppress the HPTA at all, let alone for a long cycle of 12 weeks - 3 months!
IMO - which may or may not be warranted, BBB is correct - the likelyhood of permanent inhibition of the HPTA is very real here at middle-age, and if TRT and B+C isnt an option, then shorter, (preferably non-aromatising), androgen based cycles are best (compared to estrogen based drugs that may aromatase; Deca for example - due to the further inhibition on the HPTA).
I would train naturally for either the full 6 weeks of the weightloss/endurance and do a heavy dose, suppressive 6 week cycle for the strength cycle… OR do a longer cycle running from the last 2 weeks of the weightloss and during the full 6 weeks of strength giving an 8 week cycle.
The recovery capability of the HPTA from a 6-8 week cycle is very different than a 12 week cycle - that is in a 20-something too… FWIW.
But if someone is so ignorant to think there is no other way to make great gains from a cycle in this example, (OR that they have to train for weight-loss using high volume and muscular endurance as per the 90’s…) then leave them to it - the consequences are not ours to suffer, all we can do is advise the best we can and when someone acts like a cunt, a curt reply and drop of the thread seems to be the best counter IMO.
Good luck with that, Big Gay Al…
JJ
thing that gets me is that they come around and ask for help though.
I mean why even ask?
why not take the info you get from the bro boards and fuck yourself up.
after all none of us has already done that,now have we.
[quote] Brook wrote:
That is the point here - while the OP has planned for a 12 week training regime consisting of two macrocycles - he thinks that 12 weeks on a cycle is what is needed… however this is not truly accurate.
This is true simply because at the OP’s age, it is a fairly risky thing to suppress the HPTA at all, let alone for a long cycle of 12 weeks - 3 months!
IMO - which may or may not be warranted, BBB is correct - the likelyhood of permanent inhibition of the HPTA is very real here at middle-age, and if TRT and B+C isnt an option, then shorter, (preferably non-aromatising), androgen based cycles are best (compared to estrogen based drugs that may aromatase; Deca for example - due to the further inhibition on the HPTA).
I would train naturally for either the full 6 weeks of the weightloss/endurance and do a heavy dose, suppressive 6 week cycle for the strength cycle… OR do a longer cycle running from the last 2 weeks of the weightloss and during the full 6 weeks of strength giving an 8 week cycle.
The recovery capability of the HPTA from a 6-8 week cycle is very different than a 12 week cycle - that is in a 20-something too… FWIW.
But if someone is so ignorant to think there is no other way to make great gains from a cycle in this example, (OR that they have to train for weight-loss using high volume and muscular endurance as per the 90’s…) then leave them to it - the consequences are not ours to suffer, all we can do is advise the best we can and when someone acts like a cunt, a curt reply and drop of the thread seems to be the best counter IMO.
Good luck with that, Big Gay Al…
JJ[/quote]
Thanks.
That’s a great smart answer for all the participants in this tread.
[quote]MaddyD wrote:
thing that gets me is that they come around and ask for help though.
I mean why even ask?
why not take the info you get from the bro boards and fuck yourself up.
after all none of us has already done that,now have we.
[/quote]
The thing that I always ask myself is: why some people are always so fast at making their point, instead of trying to understand what other people are saying…
There is a disregard for OPs, a need to show how much is known, a need to always be right, a need to always to be the last word, a need to show how insecure and immature… I guess that the ego is bigger than the wisdom
Now go ahead say whatever you have to say ad prove to everybody how much I own you, because you can’t just act like and adult and walk away and ignore someone that you disagree with.
You just described yourself.
No actually you are right and all of us are wrong.
You do seem to be the common denominator…
His name is…Big Gay Al?