Cheater's Diet Support Group

1-2 a day is fine.

[quote]JPBear wrote:
Joel Marion wrote:

Yes, in moderation, they are OK. Try to use those sweetened with Splenda if possible (again, still in moderation).

So what is moderation? Can I have six a day? Just joking, but seriously, one per day, or one per week type of thing? I need to be told or I am in danger of going overboard (I have a crazy sweet tooth)[/quote]

I was wondering if the daily caloric level could be adjusted to accomodate for lifting 4 times a week? I know it’s only two days into the diet, but according to your calculations, I am eating less than half of what I usually do, and am feeling a bit weak and cranky. It’s probably psychosomatic, but this morning I had to lighten my DL by 25 lbs because I was struggling to pull my usual weight off the floor. Everything else is fine, the cardio is killing me, but I’ll get used to it, since the last time I sprinted was last fall. The changes will be worth it. They always are.

I’m feeling alittle drained, today.

[quote]Yo Momma wrote:
I was wondering if the daily caloric level could be adjusted to accomodate for lifting 4 times a week? I know it’s only two days into the diet, but according to your calculations, I am eating less than half of what I usually do, and am feeling a bit weak and cranky. It’s probably psychosomatic, but this morning I had to lighten my DL by 25 lbs because I was struggling to pull my usual weight off the floor. Everything else is fine, the cardio is killing me, but I’ll get used to it, since the last time I sprinted was last fall. The changes will be worth it. They always are. [/quote]

Caloric intake varies widely amongst individuals. The calorie guidelines provided are simply estimates that will work for the majority. They are a good starting point if you don’t really know where to start, but if you’ve been doing this for a while and know what maintenance for you is (and it’s significantly higher) then add some cals based on that knowledge. You should be approximately 500-600 cals below maintenance.

Really, these types of specific questions would be better addressed via email.

Take care,

Joel

OK, haven’t seen a lot of talk on this. What is everyone doing for workout days?

I went off and started CW’s WSP. I hate him (and maybe you Joel) for making it look like a good program. Oh, it is good. Good to make me hurt.

Day three on that program today but I’m really looking forward to day five.

And Joel, that cardio hurts. I have only myself to blame since I haven’t done any running in almost two months.

[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
JPBear wrote:
So what is moderation? Can I have six a day? Just joking, but seriously, one per day, or one per week type of thing? I need to be told or I am in danger of going overboard (I have a crazy sweet tooth)

IMO, if it’s sweetened with Splenda you really shouldn’t need to limit it much. Water is better for you for sure, but one a day shouldn’t affect your progress. Again this is my opinion and I’m sure Joel will be more strict.

Most Coke products use Splenda now, except for Vault Zero which pisses me off. I don’t know of any others off hand.

If it’s a caffeine kick you are looking for, green tea or coffee (black, no sugar) would be better.[/quote]

Actually, the only Coke products that use Splenda are Diet Coke sweetened with Splenda (a mix of 40 mg Sucralose and 30mg Acesulfame Potassium) and C2 (2mg sucralose, 12 mg
Acesulfame Potassium and 12mg aspartame). Diet Rite and Pepsi One are the only ones I can think of that use mainly Sucrose.

From Wikipedia:
Coca-Cola and Pepsi released new versions of their colas (Coke C2 and Pepsi EDGE) replacing half of the traditional high-fructose corn syrup with sucralose (C2 also uses aspartame and acesulfame potassium). In 2005, Coca-Cola released a new formulation of Diet Coke sweetened with sucralose, called Diet Coke with Splenda.

Pepsi-Cola has released an updated Pepsi ONE using sucralose instead of aspartame, although both formulations, new and old, also use acesulfame potassium, another intense sweetener.

Cadbury-Schweppes released 7UP Plus in the US in August 2004, a drink containing fruit juices and sucralose, and in May 2005, Diet 7 UP switched from aspartame to sucralose.
National Beverage Corp. uses sucralose in all of their Diet Shastas.

The Dannon Company (the US branch of Danone) has introduced a new range of their flavored yogurts and yogurt drinks, called “Light 'n Fit”, and some of those are sweetened with sucralose, some with fruit juices, and some still with aspartame.

Jamba Juice, in 2004, released a category of ‘smoothies’ based on the use of Splenda to lower the amount of sugar used, thus lowering total caloric content as well as “carbs” (calories supplied by carbohydrates/sugars).
Universal Robina Corporation, the manufacturer of C2 Cool & Clean Tea, the green tea which unexpectedly took the Philippine beverage market by storm (nudging sodas and iced teas out of popularity), recently released the sugar-free version of their C2 beverages C2 Lite Cool & Clean Tea. In similar flavor variants, but this time, sugar-free and low-calorie, and containing sucralose.

Propel is a lightly flavored, non-carbonated, beverage with added C, E, and B Vitamins. It is also sweetened with acesulfame potassium and sucrose.

[quote]timmbuck2 wrote:
…A lot of stuff…[/quote]

You could at least provide some information to back up your claim…

Slacker…

:slight_smile:

[quote]eengrms76 wrote:
timmbuck2 wrote:
…A lot of stuff…

You could at least provide some information to back up your claim…

Slacker…

:)[/quote]

sorry, I suck. :slight_smile: must be the lack of carbs that are fuzzing my brain.

my favorite low cal drink lately is Sobe Lean Diet Green Tea. Mainly sweetened with Sucralose, and has some green tea solids.

T(slacker)

[quote]timmbuck2 wrote:
eengrms76 wrote:
timmbuck2 wrote:
…A lot of stuff…

You could at least provide some information to back up your claim…

Slacker…

:slight_smile:

sorry, I suck. :slight_smile: must be the lack of carbs that are fuzzing my brain.

my favorite low cal drink lately is Sobe Lean Diet Green Tea. Mainly sweetened with Sucralose, and has some green tea solids.

T(slacker)[/quote]

I was actually at Quizno’s yesterday and tried the Sobe Lean Cranberry Grapefruit and that was pretty good stuff!

Joel

Damn, I can’t wait for week 1 to end. Yesterday was a killer for me. Today is hump day though. My recovery has sucked big time due to a lack of carbs, having a hard time sleeping, and that damn WSP. What kills me is the Surge. I don’t want to go without it, for obvious reasons, but taking that 50g off of my protein intake is killin me. Its so hard not to go over. I guess a few grams should be no biggie. I have just been taking in a bit less fat as per joel’s rec.

I have been sore for 3 days straight! I couldn’t even get myself to do the HIIT after the weights yesterday. Was hoping to do it today, but the gym is closed for some reason. Gonna have to find another way.

Rope jumping perhaps?

[quote]PharmD Pete wrote:
Damn, I can’t wait for week 1 to end. Yesterday was a killer for me. Today is hump day though. My recovery has sucked big time due to a lack of carbs, having a hard time sleeping, and that damn WSP. What kills me is the Surge. I don’t want to go without it, for obvious reasons, but taking that 50g off of my protein intake is killin me. Its so hard not to go over. I guess a few grams should be no biggie. I have just been taking in a bit less fat as per joel’s rec.

I have been sore for 3 days straight! I couldn’t even get myself to do the HIIT after the weights yesterday. Was hoping to do it today, but the gym is closed for some reason. Gonna have to find another way.

Rope jumping perhaps?[/quote]

I have been having problems sleeping as well. Don’t know if it is the diet or just some stress. Stress doesn’t normally do that to me but you never know.

I’ve been thinking of doing a rotation of stuff for the cardio. Maybe some jump rope, burpees and some 10 yard sprints for the recommended time. Something like 30 quick reps of the rope, 10 burpees and then 5 sprints. Repeat. Then walk for a lower rate.

[quote]Joel Marion wrote:
I was actually at Quizno’s yesterday…[/quote]

Sure, rub it in…

I think that would be very interesting to know what other CD testers’ current training program looks like.

I’m currently in the last week of ABBH1 (very hardcore while on this diet) and i’m looking for a new program suggestion to start on next week.

Thanks for any input.

I have also been sore for 3 days and that WSP is in one word a nevermind but you know what I mean. I have been sleeping well just popping that ZMA. The no carb thing is killing me can’t wait for a morning shake with my oats.

[quote]grimskunk wrote:
I think that would be very interesting to know what other CD testers’ current training program looks like.

I’m currently in the last week of ABBH1 (very hardcore while on this diet) and i’m looking for a new program suggestion to start on next week.

Thanks for any input.

[/quote]

Good luck with finishing ABBH. I did it just over a month ago and I had to increase the carbs while on it.

[quote]Darkman265 wrote:
I have also been sore for 3 days and that WSP is in one word a nevermind but you know what I mean. I have been sleeping well just popping that ZMA. The no carb thing is killing me can’t wait for a morning shake with my oats.[/quote]

ZMA is my savior.

Have you checked your macro requirements to make sure oats fit in? I would think they would be too high, even for a small amount.

I saw that they were in the sample meal plan for week 2.

[quote]Darkman265 wrote:
I saw that they were in the sample meal plan…[/quote]

Nevermind, I just re-read your post. I thought you meant you were eating that today.

By the way, you should refrain from posting “weeks” or other specific details. I like this thread and want to continue it, but I have a feeling it may have to stop based on Joel’s recent email.

He should create a private subforum somewhere. That way we could get answer and many people could see them without the problems associated with it.

I LOVE flaxmeal hot cereal with a dash of splenda/cinnamon. Perfect to stop a sugar craving. I miss oats…