Chavez At The UN

[quote]JeffR wrote:
I’ve been wondering if the psychotic hatred against Bush is enough to overcome the anger at some two-bit punk running his mouth at our President.

So far, Knewsom is the only guy on the left who has pseudo-denounced the speech by this crackpot.

It’s fascinating to watch the usual suspects try to get their mind around the fact that they share sentiments with hugo chavez.

JeffR[/quote]
It’s almost like God hates you and never wants you to be right.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/chavez.ny/index.html
Why oh why do you just make stuff up?

[quote]100meters wrote:
JeffR wrote:
I’ve been wondering if the psychotic hatred against Bush is enough to overcome the anger at some two-bit punk running his mouth at our President.

So far, Knewsom is the only guy on the left who has pseudo-denounced the speech by this crackpot.

It’s fascinating to watch the usual suspects try to get their mind around the fact that they share sentiments with hugo chavez.

JeffR
It’s almost like God hates you and never wants you to be right.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/chavez.ny/index.html
Why oh why do you just make stuff up?

[/quote]

Hey, good for rangel and pelosi!!!

Too bad lumpy can’t bring himself to condemn chavez.

Oh, leave God out of it. You try to pin me with a label that I don’t carry.

I belong to no Church and I don’t like religion in my party.

JeffR

[quote]LNEX wrote:
I am a lefty, yes I think Bush is a idiot, but I don’t think he is the Devil.

I think he does what he does because he believes that he is doing what is best. I don’t agree with him on many points, I don’t think he should be arrested, impeached, I just don’t like him.

But I do have to say when Shaves came to the UN and called him the devil and that he should be put on trial that realy made me mad.

I have always said I think the UN should be in Europe but now I think It should be in the middle east…let all the embassaders live in a dictatorship rather than in NYC, and see if they boo Bush then

[/quote]

Hey, LNEX,

Thanks for the excellent response.

Nice to know their are guys on the left that aren’t completely insane.

I was getting worried!!!

JeffR

[quote]JeffR wrote:
100meters wrote:
JeffR wrote:
I’ve been wondering if the psychotic hatred against Bush is enough to overcome the anger at some two-bit punk running his mouth at our President.

So far, Knewsom is the only guy on the left who has pseudo-denounced the speech by this crackpot.

It’s fascinating to watch the usual suspects try to get their mind around the fact that they share sentiments with hugo chavez.

JeffR
It’s almost like God hates you and never wants you to be right.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/21/chavez.ny/index.html
Why oh why do you just make stuff up?

Hey, good for rangel and pelosi!!!

Too bad lumpy can’t bring himself to condemn chavez.

Oh, leave God out of it. You try to pin me with a label that I don’t carry.

I belong to no Church and I don’t like religion in my party.

JeffR

[/quote]

But again, why do you make stuff up?

[quote]lumpy wrote:
But again, why do you make stuff up?[/quote]

lumpy, you are one of my favorite posters. I have repeatedly praised your courage. You don’t mince words. You are a true partisan.

I appreciate that.

Now, you can do better than “But again, why do you make stuff up?”

I made nothing up.

That the leaders of the democratic party either agreed with me or they had an “oh shit” our criticism sounds very like chavez’s=toxic, doesn’t change the timeline.

Oh, please note when rangel and pelosi made their speeches.

Then note when I posted.

I believe your pals “jumped to his defense on Thursday” and I pointed out the silence from the lefties ON THIS BOARD yesterday.

Finally, lumpy, do you agree with chavez’s assertion that Bush is the devil?

Will you condemn him?

Please illuminate me. This is a fascinating phenomena for me.

JeffR

100meters, if you haven’t figured out to just ignore EffR’s babblings, than it’s your own fault.

Let him yap. No one’s listening.

[quote]five-twelve wrote:
“Perhaps even impeachment for lying to the American public and Congress in order to go to war.”

I hear this all the time. How was he lying when he had the same ntelligence that every senator was given. If he was lying then everyone else was too.
[/quote]

There is no PROOF that Bush had the exact same evidence as the US Senators. It’s possible that he knew more than he told them, and I believe that to be the case, due to multiple persons testimony to his long term desire to invade Iraq. I also think that the so called evidence was really not so strong in the first place, and that many who would otherwise have been in staunch opposition supported Bush because they trusted his leadership in a time of national crisis.

[quote]
Tony Blair made a good comment about this. I’m not quoting but it went along the lines of this.

“Question regarding intelligence faliures”

If our critics were right and we found no WMD’s then at least we got rid of one of the worlds most ruthless dictators. History will forgive us.

If our critics were wrong and he had and used WMD’s then history would have never forgiving us for doing nothing.[/quote]

Ok, sure, this is true, BUT:

A. There are still far worse dictators in the world causing MASSIVE amounts of human suffering who ALREADY have WMD’s for SURE, and we’re not doing anything about it.

B. The human cost, both in lives taken and lives damaged by pain and suffering because of the war in Iraq is far greater than would’ve come about had we just waited for Saddam’s Regime to die on its own, which, according to many experts including Hans Blix was an inevitability.

I don’t think history is kind to liars who manipulate the goodwill and trust of an entire nation for their own personal gain, and the gain of their close friends.

[quote]JeffR wrote:

Hey, Knewsom. I wanted to let you know that you are one of the few lefties on this board whose criticism of the Republicans I take seriously.
From time to time, you have broken with party ranks. You have denounced stupidity in many forms.

I appreciate and respect that.
…[/quote]

I agree. Knewsom is alright. He is not afraid to think for himself.

[quote]100meters wrote:

What drives you to make this s–t up?
The DNC’s agenda is the same as the vast majority of this country—or hadn’t ya noticed?
Dealing with the Iraq fiasco
stem cells
health care
energy independence
security
environment
minimum wage
retirement
etc.

…[/quote]

These are talking points and not an agenda.

How exactly is the DNC going to fix health care?

How exactly will we achieve energy independence?

It just goes on and on.

You need to wake up and see that they are as phony as the Republicans.

Much Too Cozy With Chavez
INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY

9/21/2006

Politics: It’s good to see Democrats put country above politics, as many did in repudiating Hugo Chavez’s lunatic attacks on our president. But too many are still in the thug’s debt and must dissociate with more than words.

That’s important because Chavez’s crazed speeches this week, declaring President Bush “the devil,” leave the scent of political blood in the water for plenty of Democrats.

They know their own anti-Bush ravings could come back to haunt them on Nov. 7, given the enormous wave of public revulsion at Chavez’s words in the U.S.

After all, potential GOP TV ads featuring Democrats’ own attacks on Bush, back to back with Chavez’s words, as the Felipe Calderon team did in Mexico’s election, could ensure that Democrats pay a high political price for their past words.

Thus, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., made a politically savvy but still commendable defense of the U.S. in response to Chavez’s attack: “Don’t come to my country and attack my president.”

But Democrats who’ve been cozying up to the Venezuelan dictator in the past few years are the ones who deserve the spotlight.

They have, like Rep. Bill Delahunt, D-Mass., Sen. Lincoln Chafee, R-R.I., and Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., gone on junkets to Venezuela to admire Chavez’s “revolution” in his dog and pony shows.

Worse, they’ve willingly gotten themselves into Chavez’s political debt by accepting subsidized heating oil for their supposedly underserved residents. Rangel had nothing but praise for Chavez in February upon taking low-cost heating oil for his Harlem district.

But none have been as involved with Chavez as Delahunt, who brokered Chavez’s cheap-oil program. He called Chavez’s attack “silly,” but then told the Boston Globe it was all Bush’s fault.

Rep. Jose Serrano, D-N.Y., Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I., and Rep. Ed Markey, D-Mass., all helped with deals for 40 million gallons of cheap oil via Venezuelan-owned Citgo, which claims to have “helped 181,000” households. It now says it will double that.

Disturbingly, the U.S. Energy Department’s Sam Bodman dismissed this Chavez oil program as “corporate philanthropy.”

It doesn’t look like that when we see these same friends-of-Chavez congressmen vote against every single offshore drilling bill and proposed natural gas pipeline when those bills come up in Congress. Chavez desperately wants high oil prices, and to see pro-Chavez congressmen voting against bills that would cut energy prices not just for the poor but for everyone is, frankly, suspicious.

These actions contrast sharply with those of Chicago Democrats who told Chavez to beat it with his offer of $4 million in cheap transport fuel, and then started probing Chavez’s bid to penetrate their city’s electoral apparatus through voting machine contracts.

For Chavez, it’s obvious that Congress’ cheap-oil Democrats will accept political favors from literally anyone ? even a foreign dictator ? which certainly puffs up his sense of power.

That emboldens him to step up aggressive actions against the U.S., like his recent alliance with nuclear wannabe Iran and his purchase of advanced jet fighters from Russia that menace us directly.

The Venezuelan dictator vows to drive oil prices as high as $100 a barrel if the U.S. takes action against Iran. That cheap oil game isn’t about helping the poor ? just some very gullible Democrats.

[quote]little irish wrote:
100meters, if you haven’t figured out to just ignore EffR’s babblings, than it’s your own fault.

Let him yap. No one’s listening.[/quote]

little irish,

You amuse me. I’m curious as to the etiology of your latest line of attack.
Just exactly how many responses would I need for you to be satisfied that I was not being “ignored?”

In fact, I have to keep up my guard or pox/my other liberal friends will throw my name into a thread. I have to be vigilant or your guys get out of control!!!

You’re “everyone is ignoring you” is as ridiculous as me contending that you are physically impressive.

It just isn’t accurate.

JeffR

Hedo,

So I thought placating regional strongmen that are in dark alliances with other sworn national enemies for cheap oil was something to Democrats stood against, not specialized in?

Although kudos are due to the Chicago Democrats - known for their corruption, they impressed in this situation.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I wish my words carried that much clout - and I often fantasize about people listening to me - but I have a wife and 2 kids. I know exactly how intensely I am NOT listened to.

Stop crying. All married guys with kids (like us) are in the same boat.

I only cry into my pillow late at night. [/quote]

I hear ya!

[quote]five-twelve wrote:
Do you find it weird that very few people have actually condemed his speech. Republicans and democrats alike.

There are only a handful of people that have said anything.[/quote]

No, because Chavez is a jack@$$ and all sane Americans know he is a jack@$$.

Avoid Citgo gas stations like the plague.

[quote]Marmadogg wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Marmadogg wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I wish my words carried that much clout - and I often fantasize about people listening to me - but I have a wife and 2 kids. I know exactly how intensely I am NOT listened to.

Stop crying. All married guys with kids (like us) are in the same boat.

I only cry into my pillow late at night. [/quote]

Amen!

[quote]hspder wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
As far as inconsistencies go, I think it’s funny how leftists and Bush haters will call him the dumbest person in the history of the presidency, then claim that he is the orchestrator of 9/11 and some new world order conspiracy. I doesn’t really add up IMHO.

So, you use the “leftist” tag to mark anyone who doesn’t agree with you, and therefore conveniently mix people who accept the scientific fact that Bush is a moron with the ones who believe in wild conspiracy theories that he is an evil mastermind?[/quote]
hspder,

No I don’t use the leftist tag to mark anyone who doesn’t agree with me, nice try though. Notice that I said leftists and Bush haters. Don’t act like I’m an idiot, the democratic party is by and large a left leaning political party, and therefore, IMHO, qualifies for the term “leftists”. Also, if asked, most democratic voters would say that they hate bush. This comes from personal experience.

Haha, what is it about the term “leftist” that drives leftists nuts. I don’t freak out when someone describes me a right wing (rightist just doesn’t sound right). Why, because I am right wing.

Answer for me this, Do the majority of leftists and Bush haters vote Democratic? Now answer honestly.
Once you answer this question correctly as yes, then you’ll have to accept that they are [perhaps] unwilling teammates in their hatred of Bush. The Democratic Party has embraced such extremists as Moore, Sheehan, moveon.org, daily kos, etc. And when not openly embracing such extremists, they certainly aren’t denouncing them or even attempting to distance themselves from them.

Now on to this “scientific fact” that Bush is a moron. I would like to see this scientific proof. I think this is just more evidence that even highly educated leftists such as yourself bear a hatred for Bush on some level and a willingness to smear him. Thanks for proving my point.

Is this a Freudian slip?(Bigflamer lets out a hearty laugh) I say leftists and Bush haters and you automatically associate these terms with democratic party leadership.

Classic!

But please don’t insult my intelligence, I may not be a professor, but I’m not an idiot :-] Cruise through moveon.org, dailykos, And you will find such instances. These sites are directly marketed to gasp the Democrat voter base. That’s wierd!

Daily Kos has an article on it that suggests Cheney allowed flight 77 to hit the Pentagon.

Democrats.com accuses Bush of hating America

And lets not forget Algore. Remember when he screamed “he betrayed his country!”. Or when he was actively inciting hatred for the Bush administration while on Saudi soil by claiming that “Arabs were indiscriminately rounded up and held in unforgivable conditions”

I’m not an expert on treason, but IMHO, this was definitely emboldening and aiding the enemy while his country is at war. Maybe we should call him “Algorzeera”

I remember when Kerry placed the Bush administration on the same level as Saddam’s regime when he said “what we need is a regime change right here in the U.S., not just in Iraq”

While these statements don’t accuse the Bush administration of orchestrating 9/11, they are quite remarkable I think. In addition, there are plenty of organizations and individuals who have accused Bush and Cheney of having a part in 9/11 or at the very least allowing it to happen. I don?t believe they are denounced by the DNC.

While these individuals are not openly supported by the Democratic Party, they enjoy the indirect support they provide. The DNC isn’t dumb enough to actually support these individuals and groups officially and publicly. Although, as I said, they did have a good time parading around Sheehan and Moore.

-Bigflamer

[quote]JeffR wrote:

You’re “everyone is ignoring you” is as ridiculous as me contending that you are physically impressive.

It just isn’t accurate.

JeffR

[/quote]

EffR, I don’t think you lift, I think you sit in a mustard stained wife beater in your trailer scratching your balls and resting your beer on your stomach while smoking a cigar.

Make a single post that is outside the politics forum. Until you do that, you are but a lonely troll who struts and frets…and you are not problem.

The fact that people take you seriously is beyond me.

[quote]hspder wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
As far as inconsistencies go, I think it’s funny how leftists and Bush haters will call him the dumbest person in the history of the presidency, then claim that he is the orchestrator of 9/11 and some new world order conspiracy. I doesn’t really add up IMHO.

So, you use the “leftist” tag to mark anyone who doesn’t agree with you, and therefore conveniently mix people who accept the scientific fact that Bush is a moron with the ones who believe in wild conspiracy theories that he is an evil mastermind?[/quote]
hspder,

No I don’t use the leftist tag to mark anyone who doesn’t agree with me, nice try though. Notice that I said leftists and Bush haters. Don’t act like I’m an idiot, the democratic party is by and large a left leaning political party, and therefore, IMHO, qualifies for the term “leftists”. Also, if asked, most democratic voters would say that they hate bush. This comes from personal experience.

Haha, what is it about the term “leftist” that drives leftists nuts. I don’t freak out when someone describes me a right wing (rightist just doesn’t sound right). Why, because I am right wing.

Answer for me this, Do the majority of leftists and Bush haters vote Democratic? Now answer honestly.
Once you answer this question correctly as yes, then you’ll have to accept that they are [perhaps] unwilling teammates in their hatred of Bush. The Democratic Party has embraced such extremists as Moore, Sheehan, moveon.org, daily kos, etc. And when not openly embracing such extremists, they certainly aren’t denouncing them or even attempting to distance themselves from them.

Now on to this “scientific fact” that Bush is a moron. I would like to see this scientific proof. I think this is just more evidence that even highly educated leftists such as yourself bear a hatred for Bush on some level and a willingness to smear him. Thanks for proving my point.

Is this a Freudian slip?(Bigflamer lets out a hearty laugh) I say leftists and Bush haters and you automatically associate these terms with democratic party leadership.

Classic!

But please don’t insult my intelligence, I may not be a professor, but I’m not an idiot :-] Cruise through moveon.org, dailykos, And you will find such instances.

Daily Kos has an article on it that suggests Cheney allowed flight 77 to hit the Pentagon.

Democrats.com accuses Bush of hating America

And lets not forget Algore. Remember when he screamed “he betrayed his country!”. Or when he was actively inciting hatred for the Bush administration while on Saudi soil by claiming that “Arabs were indiscriminately rounded up and held in unforgivable conditions”

I’m not an expert on treason, but IMHO, this was definitely emboldening and aiding the enemy while his country is at war. Maybe we should call him “Algorzeera”

I remember when Kerry placed the Bush administration on the same level as Saddam’s regime when he said “what we need is a regime change right here in the U.S., not just in Iraq”

While these statements don’t accuse the Bush administration of orchestrating 9/11, they are quite remarkable I think. In addition, there are plenty of organizations and individuals who have accused Bush and Cheney of having a part in 9/11 or at the very least allowing it to happen. I don?t believe they are denounced by the DNC.

While these individuals are not openly supported by the Democratic Party, they enjoy the indirect support they provide. The DNC isn’t dumb enough to actually support these individuals and groups officially and publicly. Although, as I said, they did have a good time parading around Sheehan and Moore.

-Bigflamer

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
bigflamer wrote:

Well, I can’t speak for all conservatives, but I never said that Pelosi and Dean were dumb. It’s probably more accurate to say that they’re quite smart. It’s their political ideoligy that I mainly have a problem with.

I’m sure Hitler would have loved Ann Coulter and Michael Savage.

I have a problem with the neocon ideology, so I’m glad the Democrats are splitting so heavily from them.[/quote]

I actually tried to listen to Savage a few times. But he reminds me of an angry old man always yelling at the kids to stay off his lawn. I really don’t think that he represents conservatism well at all. At least not my particular flavor of conservatism.

As far as Ann Coulter, I think that aside from her occasional crazy comments, she usually has great points and delivers them very well. I think that her ability to cut past the shit and hit the heart of the matter is what makes her so effective.

If she was simply a right wing kook, the left would ignore her much like they do Savage.

Plus, she makes me swoon just a little bit ;->

[quote]100meters wrote:
bigflamer wrote:
rainjack wrote:
I find it entertaining as well to see how - indistinguishable Chavez’s words are from the talking points of the DNC.

Who’s coaching who?

My point exactly.

From the nutjob in Iran, to the crazy asshole in Argentina, the DNC’s talking points are literally interchangable at times with these crazy fuckers.

I think they actually feed off each other.

What drives you to make this s–t up?
The DNC’s agenda is the same as the vast majority of this country—or hadn’t ya noticed?
Dealing with the Iraq fiasco
stem cells
health care
energy independence
security
environment
minimum wage
retirement
etc.

What aspect is “crazy”? Oh, none?
Then can you please stop with the nonsense.[/quote]

100m, I have some questions for you. Now, I want you to be honest you crazy leftist rascal you.

Did Pelosi accuse Bush of being mentally unstable?

Did Algore accuse Bush of betraying his country?

Did the same algore accuse Bush of "indiscriminitly rounding up Arabs and holding them in unfavorable conditions? whle on Saudi soil?

Has Soros compared Bush to Hitler?

Did dean accuse the GOP of being so racist that the only way to get a person of color in the same room with them is if the wait staff was present?

Did Dean and many other democrats accuse Bush of being evil?