Charles Darwin Film 'Too Controversial for Religious America'

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
My point reminds the same.
Evolution and Creation are both views that are based solely on faith.
I happen to believe in the one that gives me hope after death.

I don’t look down on anyone else for their views, but evolution is not science. It is not fact. It is a bunch of theories conjured up by people with disdain for God.

I thought Darwin believed in god…

Please, just stop talking.[/quote]

The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology, and biology is thus in the peculiar position of being a science founded on an improved theory, is it then a science or faith? -Charles Darwin

By the way, Darwin denounced evolution on his deathbed. But that’s apparently all hush hush.

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I seriously doubt that only 39% of America believe in evolution statistic.

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[quote]Tumbles wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
matko5 wrote:
LoL @ People who think theory of evolution requires “faith”

Stop LOL at people and make a valid point. Your posts mean nothing.

You have a good strategy: say things so ridiculous nobody knows where to start with you.[/quote]

Most of “them” have that strategy. A while ago, I stopped caring about trying to explain stupid people stuff they refuse and do not want to understand. Now, I just LoL @ them.

Makes me laugh, and they still remain stupid.

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
It is not fact. It is a bunch of theories conjured up by people with disdain for God. [/quote]

OMG, yeah that’s right…shit, he has figured us out!!! Quick hide the manifesto.

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
matko5 wrote:
LoL @ People who think theory of evolution requires “faith”

Stop LOL at people and make a valid point. Your posts mean nothing. [/quote]

Presuming you are a devout follower of the bible, how do you explain fossils, the unnecessary parts of the human body, radio dating, the fact that we can observe micro evolution, poorly designed animals, not even getting into the moral issues.

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[quote]Doc L wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
It is not fact. It is a bunch of theories conjured up by people with disdain for God.

OMG, yeah that’s right…shit, he has figured us out!!! Quick hide the manifesto.

[/quote]

Lol.

Seriously though, when God is brought into any equation people resort to their defense mechanisms. People don’t like having accountability for their actions.

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
My point reminds the same.
Evolution and Creation are both views that are based solely on faith.
I happen to believe in the one that gives me hope after death.

I don’t look down on anyone else for their views, but evolution is not science. It is not fact. It is a bunch of theories conjured up by people with disdain for God. [/quote]

Religious people are funny!!!

They always say “Prove it!”
So you show them the proof. They examine it and say “Not convincing, i dont believe in your evidence”.
So you say “well, prove your theory of god”
and they say “oh, i dont have to. I have an old book that says so and i have faith”

Faith = believing without need of any kind of proof or evidence. Just because. Thats the mentality of a 4 year old.

The difference between creationists and scientists is that scientists are happy to be proven wrong because it means that they are advancing and have learnt something new. Creationist just attack anything that might go slightly against what they think without even bothering to look into it.

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
My point reminds the same.
Evolution and Creation are both views that are based solely on faith.
I happen to believe in the one that gives me hope after death.

I don’t look down on anyone else for their views, but evolution is not science. It is not fact. It is a bunch of theories conjured up by people with disdain for God. [/quote]

Wow. Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt. Using science to explain things is not showing a disdain for God. That’s just plain ignorant. Many scientists believe in some sort of supreme being and some are even practicing Christians.

Many areas of science require a certain amount of “faith” as there are lots of things that science has yet to explain. Look at the history of mental illness, for example. At one time, it was thought that mentally ill people were possessed by the devil. Then came Freud who said it was all about sex.

This, too, was a very controversial theory that many religious people did not “like.” But rather than throw away psychology and psychiatry altogether and go back to locking up the mentally ill and treating them as “possessed,” science moved forward. Today, Freud’s theories are considered relics and psychiatry looks to chemical imbalances or physical abnormalities in the brain in addition to emotional factors to explain mental illness.

But there is still much that science does not know about the brain and psychiatry is based as much on “theories” as well as science. But according to you, the fact that there are gaps in scientific knowledge means we should throw it all away and go back to treating mentally ill people as possessed by the devil and burning them at the stake.

Hey, that’s a nice simple solution. Guy hears voices in his head? He is possessed - burn him! Think of the money we’d save on prescription medications and mental health institutions.

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I have an alternative theory as to why the film isn’t shown in the US: It’s a shitty movie.
Alternatively, the US market could be more competitive for foreign markets, considering we have the largest production of motion pictures in the world. That might also be why the film wasn’t shown in the US.
Alternatively,

While it’s possible Gallup did a decent, randomized poll nationwide asking Americans ‘Do you believe in Evolution’, my guess was that the question was phrased somewhat differently. Consider the difference in these two questions:

a) Do you believe the current theory of evolution can completely explain how a species can go from a randomly strung together bit of RNA and, over the course of millions of generations, evolve into a human being?
b) Do you believe Evolution is a highly vetted scientific theory and can be used to make accurate and testable predictions in the field of biology?

Both can be summarized as ‘do you believe in evolution’, but… well, they shouldn’t be. My guess is that Gallup did not do a nationwide study asking people if they believe in evolution, but instead something closer to option A up there.

The idea that America has no tolerance for atheism is put down by the commercial success of Maher’s Religulous. I know, because my mother has specifically requested I view it with her, which isn’t something I really want to do.

I agree that America probably has a more religious bent than Europe. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we’re so rediculously culturally successful, there’s no way we could have done it on our own.

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
matko5 wrote:
LoL @ People who think theory of evolution requires “faith”

Stop LOL at people and make a valid point. Your posts mean nothing.

Presuming you are a devout follower of the bible, how do you explain fossils, the unnecessary parts of the human body, radio dating, the fact that we can observe micro evolution, poorly designed animals, not even getting into the moral issues.[/quote]

I don’t claim to know all the answers. But I know that there are a lot of missing fossils. Radio dating has been largely disproven. Radio dating tests how old rocks are given the influence of radiation on them.

A few years ago scientists “radio-dated” some newly formed rocks from mt. st. helens, and according to their findings the rocks had “been on the earth for nearly 2.8 million years” which immediately was found to be ridiculous as the rocks had just been formed. Poorly designed animals? According to evolution, shouldn’t these have died off by now anyway ?

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Why is always someone not educated in fields of biology and genetics disproving the theory of evolution?

Remember:
Everybody wants to be a bodybuilder but nobody wants to lift no heavy ass weights.

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I don’t know who told you that Darwins theory of evolution is widely accepted but you are wrong. A jewish dude just did a documentary a couple years ago about people in the science world getting ostracized for teaching Darwin theoris in school settings all across the world even Europe. It came out a couple years ago I think the guys name is Ben weinstein or something.

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[quote]Otep wrote:
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we’re so rediculously culturally successful, there’s no way we could have done it on our own.
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Lol - Yeah so culturally successful that you have the highest crime rates in the world and also the fatest population in the world. What a culture!!! Mc DOnalds and gangbanging!

Not that alll of America and americans are like that obviously im grossley generalising, but i wouldnt be too proud of your great culture.

Also most Americans find it hard to position Europe or Australia on a map. If you asked them either of those questions yuo just put out, you would probably get a blank stare and loooong silence. here watch this:

or this

or this

i did search for stupid europeans but nothing came up, infact if you type “stupid europeans” in youtube all you gett is stuff about americans.

Not that all americans are stupid…

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
matko5 wrote:
LoL @ People who think theory of evolution requires “faith”

Stop LOL at people and make a valid point. Your posts mean nothing.

Presuming you are a devout follower of the bible, how do you explain fossils, the unnecessary parts of the human body, radio dating, the fact that we can observe micro evolution, poorly designed animals, not even getting into the moral issues.

I don’t claim to know all the answers. But I know that there are a lot of missing fossils. Radio dating has been largely disproven. Radio dating tests how old rocks are given the influence of radiation on them.

A few years ago scientists “radio-dated” some newly formed rocks from mt. st. helens, and according to their findings the rocks had “been on the earth for nearly 2.8 million years” which immediately was found to be ridiculous as the rocks had just been formed. Poorly designed animals? According to evolution, shouldn’t these have died off by now anyway ? [/quote]

See, the error in your logic here is that you’ve decided to discount an entire theory based on a specific instance in which some scientists failed to properly use radio dating. Anecdotes are the downfall of many.

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
bpeloquin wrote:
matko5 wrote:
LoL @ People who think theory of evolution requires “faith”

Stop LOL at people and make a valid point. Your posts mean nothing.

Presuming you are a devout follower of the bible, how do you explain fossils, the unnecessary parts of the human body, radio dating, the fact that we can observe micro evolution, poorly designed animals, not even getting into the moral issues.

I don’t claim to know all the answers. But I know that there are a lot of missing fossils. Radio dating has been largely disproven. Radio dating tests how old rocks are given the influence of radiation on them.

A few years ago scientists “radio-dated” some newly formed rocks from mt. st. helens, and according to their findings the rocks had “been on the earth for nearly 2.8 million years” which immediately was found to be ridiculous as the rocks had just been formed. Poorly designed animals? According to evolution, shouldn’t these have died off by now anyway ? [/quote]

Ahahahahaahhahaha… You just keep on putting yourself in it! What the hell is anewley formed rock??? and please show me where carbon dating has been dissproven, your full of it!

It must be fun!!! in your world!!!

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[quote]lokidj wrote:
Otep wrote:
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we’re so rediculously culturally successful, there’s no way we could have done it on our own.

Lol - Yeah so culturally successful that you have the highest crime rates in the world and also the fatest population in the world. What a culture!!! Mc DOnalds and gangbanging!

Not that alll of America and americans are like that obviously im grossley generalising, but i wouldnt be too proud of your great culture.

Also most Americans find it hard to position Europe or Australia on a map. If you asked them either of those questions yuo just put out, you would probably get a blank stare and loooong silence. here watch this:

or this

or this

i did search for stupid europeans but nothing came up, infact if you type “stupid europeans” in youtube all you gett is stuff about americans.

Not that all americans are stupid…[/quote]

And congratulations. You’ve discovered the power of editing.

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[quote]bpeloquin wrote:
I don’t claim to know all the answers. But I know that their are a lot of missing fossils. Radio dating has been largely disproven. Radio dating tests how old rocks are given the influence of radiation on them.

A few years ago scientists “radio-dated” some newly formed rocks from mt. st. helens, and according to their findings the rocks had “been on the earth for nearly 2.8 million years” which immediately was found to be ridiculous as the rocks had just been formed. [/quote]

From what I understand, “carbon” (not raio) dating is not based on radiation action on rocks but the rate of decay of a radioactive isotope of carbon. I don’t believe this has ever been disproven.

Again, this shows a fundamental misunderstanding and ignorance of evolution. Let’s go back to my example of whales. Here you have a sea creature that requires air to breath. In my opinion this is a “poorly designed” animal.

If I were designing animals, I never would design a sea creature that requires air to breathe. But whales survive, despite this imperfection. They have blow holes on the top of their bodies which means they don’t have to completely go out of water to get air. And these animals are really good at holding their breath.

Yes, there is still the danger of whales getting stuck under water so that they cannot surface to get air, and would result in their death. But, not every whale will get stuck, so this danger does not risk eradicating the entire species.

So, despite what I would consider a poor design," whales have adapted to living with this poor design by evolving blow holes and a lung capacity that allows them to hold their breath for long periods of time. That’s all that is needed to survive. And this is what evolution explains.

A creature adapts just enough to survive, and once it gets there, it need go no further. This is why we have ostriches. Ostriches can’t fly, but they can run damn fast. So, while other birds depended on flight for survival, ostriches compensated for their lack of flight by evolving the ability to run fast.

They still have feathers, which are useless to them, but that’s okay. Feathers neither help nor hurt ostriches in their ability to survive, so there was no need for ostriches to evolve to lose their feathers.

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[quote]lokidj wrote:
Ahahahahaahhahaha… What the hell is anewley formed rock???
[/quote]

I’m not even going to answer this question.

And I don’t base my views solely on one instance. I’m not literally going to type out every reason possible why I believe or disbelieve something on an online forum.

I pointed out one example of how radio dating is inaccurate.
I never claimed to be a scientist, but I will always give an answer for what I believe if anyone cares to know.

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[quote]mcstoots082 wrote:
I don’t know who told you that Darwins theory of evolution is widely accepted but you are wrong. A jewish dude just did a documentary a couple years ago about people in the science world getting ostracized for teaching Darwin theoris in school settings all across the world even Europe. It came out a couple years ago I think the guys name is Ben weinstein or something.[/quote]

Uhu uhu… A Jewish dude??? lol!!!
Just googled Ben weinstein and all i can find is a film called “Wet hot american summer” doesnt sound like a documentry to me…

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[quote]blimov wrote:
lokidj wrote:
Otep wrote:
Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we’re so rediculously culturally successful, there’s no way we could have done it on our own.

Lol - Yeah so culturally successful that you have the highest crime rates in the world and also the fatest population in the world. What a culture!!! Mc DOnalds and gangbanging!

Not that alll of America and americans are like that obviously im grossley generalising, but i wouldnt be too proud of your great culture.

Also most Americans find it hard to position Europe or Australia on a map. If you asked them either of those questions yuo just put out, you would probably get a blank stare and loooong silence. here watch this:

or this

or this

i did search for stupid europeans but nothing came up, infact if you type “stupid europeans” in youtube all you gett is stuff about americans.

Not that all americans are stupid…

And congratulations. You’ve discovered the power of editing. [/quote]

Have I??? Where did i edit???