Brick was always talking about LBM he just thinks you’re 20+% bodyfat.[/quote]
…which is strange considering I was body fat tested as less than that.
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with the end point for that 40-50lb benchmark being determined by what the best natural bodybuilders(of all races) have done.[/quote]
I’m sorry, but what “40-50lbs” benchmark? What is this number referring to?
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It seems when you talk about 80 LBM gains he takes it to mean that you have surpassed even what the top outliers in natural bodybuilding have done by twice as much and are moving in on IFBB pro territory.[/quote]
Which makes no sense because gainiong 80lbs of lean body mass doesn’t mean youlook like an IFBB pro.
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If you don’t think your LBM gains far surpass what the top naturals have done then you disagree with Bricks starting point. If you do than you disagree with his end point.[/quote]
This sentence makes no sense.
All you do is measure lean body mass and see how mnuc you gained. Doing anything more with the numbers is fixing data.
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
Funny how this shit never comes up in the gym[/quote]
LOL…and it won’t much for the same reasons I posted before about gym camaraderie.
This has to be one of the only sites about weight lifting where they will try to degrade someone’s progress simply because they aren’t below 10% body fat or care to be.[/quote]
This has to be one of the only posters who will try to degrade someone’s progress simpley because they are trying to get bellow 10% bf and dont care to be 200+. [/quote]
Where did I degrade someone for trying to get leaner?
I would never do that so what posts are you reading?[/quote]
Said degrade’s ones progress. not degrade someone. that was litterally what you wrote I just changed above to below.
Said degrade’s ones progress. not degrade someone. that was litterally what you wrote I just changed above to below.[/quote]
?? I haven’t degraded anyone here for trying to get leaner…yet YOU and mny others seem to find much fault in me being hapy with how lean I am now.[/quote]
let’s try again. degraded one’s progress. Not degraded that person. Way ruin my joke by making me explain it.
Said degrade’s ones progress. not degrade someone. that was litterally what you wrote I just changed above to below.[/quote]
?? I haven’t degraded anyone here for trying to get leaner…yet YOU and mny others seem to find much fault in me being hapy with how lean I am now.[/quote]
let’s try again. degraded one’s progress. Not degraded that person. Way ruin my joke by making me explain it.
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I would never degrade “one’s progress” if they tried to be leaner…so what joke?
Once again, all I see here is you and others degrading me constantly, not me degrading you.
Said degrade’s ones progress. not degrade someone. that was litterally what you wrote I just changed above to below.[/quote]
?? I haven’t degraded anyone here for trying to get leaner…yet YOU and mny others seem to find much fault in me being hapy with how lean I am now.[/quote]
let’s try again. degraded one’s progress. Not degraded that person. Way ruin my joke by making me explain it.
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I would never degrade “one’s progress” if they tried to be leaner…so what joke?
Once again, all I see here is you and others degrading me constantly, not me degrading you.[/quote]
Said degrade’s ones progress. not degrade someone. that was litterally what you wrote I just changed above to below.[/quote]
?? I haven’t degraded anyone here for trying to get leaner…yet YOU and mny others seem to find much fault in me being hapy with how lean I am now.[/quote]
let’s try again. degraded one’s progress. Not degraded that person. Way ruin my joke by making me explain it.
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I would never degrade “one’s progress” if they tried to be leaner…so what joke?
Once again, all I see here is you and others degrading me constantly, not me degrading you.[/quote]
How exactly am I degrading you? [/quote]
I am still trying to understand your point with your “joke” you just told.
It would only be funny if I had degraded someone for trying to get leaner.
Since that has never happened…one could assume you meant it in a derogatory manner.
Said degrade’s ones progress. not degrade someone. that was litterally what you wrote I just changed above to below.[/quote]
?? I haven’t degraded anyone here for trying to get leaner…yet YOU and mny others seem to find much fault in me being hapy with how lean I am now.[/quote]
let’s try again. degraded one’s progress. Not degraded that person. Way ruin my joke by making me explain it.
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I would never degrade “one’s progress” if they tried to be leaner…so what joke?
Once again, all I see here is you and others degrading me constantly, not me degrading you.[/quote]
How exactly am I degrading you? [/quote]
I am still trying to understand your point with your “joke” you just told.
It would only be funny if I had degraded someone for trying to get leaner.
Since that has never happened…one could assume you meant it in a derogatory manner.
My mistake if you meant it as a compliment.[/quote]
I just thought it sounded funny as a play on words. Didnt realize you were on the rag this morning, my fault.
Said degrade’s ones progress. not degrade someone. that was litterally what you wrote I just changed above to below.[/quote]
?? I haven’t degraded anyone here for trying to get leaner…yet YOU and mny others seem to find much fault in me being hapy with how lean I am now.[/quote]
let’s try again. degraded one’s progress. Not degraded that person. Way ruin my joke by making me explain it.
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I would never degrade “one’s progress” if they tried to be leaner…so what joke?
Once again, all I see here is you and others degrading me constantly, not me degrading you.[/quote]
How exactly am I degrading you? [/quote]
I am still trying to understand your point with your “joke” you just told.
It would only be funny if I had degraded someone for trying to get leaner.
Since that has never happened…one could assume you meant it in a derogatory manner.
My mistake if you meant it as a compliment.[/quote]
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
Wah wah waaaaaahhh.
Same predictable crap.
You are boring with this.
Keep trolling and driving up the click counts.
Keep this forum popping up on the first page of google searches because of all these key words and phrases
I’m sure that’s the reason you are still allowed to post here, unless you have part ownership of the company is something.
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One has to believe there is a good amount of truth to this.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’m sorry, but what “40-50lbs” benchmark? What is this number referring to?
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LBM that the top and most massive natural pros have - the LBM of the person where Brick’s training induced gains begin that wouldn’t be the result of just geting older and gaining bodyweight naturally(if I got that part right). That’s where the 40-50 lb benchmark comes from, training induced LBM gains is a similar definition.
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This sentence makes no sense.
All you do is measure lean body mass and see how much you gained. Doing anything more with the numbers is fixing data.[/quote]
I agree with you to a point because where someone starts can big difference in the total LBM gained. I think its more critical to discuss where someone ended up LBM wise since where people start is quite variable.
So I think Brick’s question for you when you claim near 80 lb LBM gains is where do you think you stack up against the top Natural Pros and IFBB Pros in terms of LBM per height and how much would you keep if you get to your desired level of leanness.
Said degrade’s ones progress. not degrade someone. that was litterally what you wrote I just changed above to below.[/quote]
?? I haven’t degraded anyone here for trying to get leaner…yet YOU and mny others seem to find much fault in me being hapy with how lean I am now.[/quote]
let’s try again. degraded one’s progress. Not degraded that person. Way ruin my joke by making me explain it.
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I would never degrade “one’s progress” if they tried to be leaner…so what joke?
Once again, all I see here is you and others degrading me constantly, not me degrading you.[/quote]
How exactly am I degrading you? [/quote]
I am still trying to understand your point with your “joke” you just told.
It would only be funny if I had degraded someone for trying to get leaner.
Since that has never happened…one could assume you meant it in a derogatory manner.
My mistake if you meant it as a compliment.[/quote]
You will literally argue about anything. [/quote]
Some here are surprised by this?
[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
LBM that the top and most massive natural pros have - the LBM of the person where Brick’s training induced gains begin that wouldn’t be the result of just geting older and gaining bodyweight naturally(if I got that part right). That’s where the 40-50 lb benchmark comes from, training induced LBM gains is a similar definition.[/quote]
Yeah, and that makes no sense. He doesn’t even know when any of those guys started training so why come up with a number like that when no one can even calculate how close they are?
I was 18 when I started and had stopped growing in height. There is no logical reason to subtract from the lean body mass gained.
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I agree with you to a point because where someone starts can big difference in the total LBM gained. I think its more critical to discuss where someone ended up LBM wise since where people start is quite variable.
So I think Brick’s question for you when you claim near 80 lb LBM gains is where do you think you stack up against the top Natural Pros and IFBB Pros in terms of LBM per height and how much would you keep if you get to your desired level of leanness.[/quote]
That’s the point. It doesn’t matter how I stack up. All we are discussing is lean body mass gains.
You could say that the % of LBM you have gained compared to the maximum lean body mass equation could be the most accurate determinate of gains. Now guys who are bulking should multiply that number by 1.04 to adjust for that. Also there will be some variance one way or the other based on differences in body type but its a pretty good estimate.
MAX LBM=H^1.5[(√W/22.6670)+(√A/17.0104)]*[(%bf/224)+1)]
where,
H = Height in inches
A = Ankle circumference at the smallest point
W = Wrist circumference measured on the hand side of the styloid process.
(The styloid process is the bony lump on the outside of your wrist.)
%bf = The body fat percentage at which you want to predict your maximum lean body mass
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
You could say that the % of LBM you have gained compared to the maximum lean body mass equation could be the most accurate determinate of gains. [/quote]
…or you could just take your body fat percentage and see how much lean body mass you have…and compare that to what you had in the past…and there you go.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
You could say that the % of LBM you have gained compared to the maximum lean body mass equation could be the most accurate determinate of gains. [/quote]
…or you could just take your body fat percentage and see how much lean body mass you have…and compare that to what you had in the past…and there you go.
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It is not as simple as that.
Do we need to re hash the water issue?
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
You could say that the % of LBM you have gained compared to the maximum lean body mass equation could be the most accurate determinate of gains. [/quote]
…or you could just take your body fat percentage and see how much lean body mass you have…and compare that to what you had in the past…and there you go.
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It is not as simple as that.
Do we need to re hash the water issue?
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Your body is 70+% water. That is why you would simply try to be at similar stats as the first reading.
