Census White Majority Gone by 2043

Off Topic Politics and World Issues
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[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
It’s not entirely unreasonable to expect that white culture dominance through the 1900’s as a whole has succeeded into the success of their business ventures over their “minority” counterparts. We’ve had this hold for a long time, and we’ll likely keep this hold for at least a little while yet. [/quote]

That is true and valid. That isn’t “white privilege” though. That is a short coming in our culture and social structure that was born of barbaric practices, as it relates to Black people, and typical human behavior as it relates to other minorities. Humans have, pretty much throughout time had slaves, we’ve fixed that. Humans have, pretty much throughout time had disdain and shit on minority cultures different from the larger homogeneous population. We’re working on fixing that.

Eh, you might be right. However I still feel like if they cast a blockbuster actor like, say Denzel, as superman it would work out okay. Malcom Jamal Warner? eh maybe not. He has the face for a good superman, but Theo?

Now I’m not saying they should go out and do that just to do it. No, I’m saying if you get an actor that comes across your screen testing that knocks your socks off, I think you run with it, irrelevant of skin color, because a 5 star performance will kill complaints about skin tone differences.

IDK, maybe I’m too optimistic…

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[quote]csulli wrote:
Superman movie set in the Earth 23 universe.

Problem solved.[/quote]

Hey, grumpy face Theo might be a good fit…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
It’s not entirely unreasonable to expect that white culture dominance through the 1900’s as a whole has succeeded into the success of their business ventures over their “minority” counterparts. We’ve had this hold for a long time, and we’ll likely keep this hold for at least a little while yet. [/quote]

That is true and valid. That isn’t “white privilege” though. That is a short coming in our culture and social structure that was born of barbaric practices, as it relates to Black people, and typical human behavior as it relates to other minorities. Humans have, pretty much throughout time had slaves, we’ve fixed that. Humans have, pretty much throughout time had disdain and shit on minority cultures different from the larger homogeneous population. We’re working on fixing that. [/quote]

[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:

Recasting Frank Castle as a black man wouldn’t cause so much of a stir by default because The Punisher does not have close to the same level of fan base as global favourites like Superman and Batman. To re-cast relatively smaller heroes/anti-heroes in a racially diverse role may pull but a smidgeon of the opposition that a larger central superhero role would encompass, a black Batman may even be reasonable eventually, but a black Superman would be revolted against for quite a while longer still. [/quote]

[quote]Eh, you might be right. However I still feel like if they cast a blockbuster actor like, say Denzel, as superman it would work out okay. Malcom Jamal Warner? eh maybe not. He has the face for a good superman, but Theo?

Now I’m not saying they should go out and do that just to do it. No, I’m saying if you get an actor that comes across your screen testing that knocks your socks off, I think you run with it, irrelevant of skin color, because a 5 star performance will kill complaints about skin tone differences.

IDK, maybe I’m too optimistic…

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I apologise for the white privilege thing, seems my semantics were off and we got caught in a big kerfuffle because of it. My argument stands on the explanation I gave afterwards and what that accounts for, I just managed to say whit privilege while not really thinking of what that means as a concept.

Yes, I think the issue is, much as bpick said, with the blurring of lines between what we know and love as a vision of our superheroes and the capability of great race actors that might not necessarily fall under the same visage. I too would love to see roles become more inclusive of race diversity for a respectable reason other than just politeness and reluctant peace.

I personally do not align myself more with comics than I do with film, and I would love to see an actor better suited to the film take on the protagonist’s role regardless of race, but I appreciate the argument given by those that hold their comics near and dear.

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Thoroughly fucked up the quote system there, guess I’ll have to spend a little longer learning this new-fangled HTML thing…

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[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
I personally do not align myself more with comics than I do with film, and I would love to see an actor better suited to the film take on the protagonist’s role regardless of race, but I appreciate the argument given by those that hold their comics near and dear. [/quote]

Yeah, just look to the freakout of Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher…

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:

I personally do not align myself more with comics than I do with film, and I would love to see an actor better suited to the film take on the protagonist’s role regardless of race, but I appreciate the argument given by those that hold their comics near and dear. [/quote]

Yeah, just look to the freakout of Tom Cruise playing Jack Reacher…[/quote]

Good point, I forgot about that one until you just brought it up. The Tom Clancy novel with Chris Pine in the lead may or may not come under that too, but we’ll have to wait and see.

(Personally I think Chris Hemsworth would have made a great Jack Reacher, especially after Thor prep.)

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[quote]countingbeans wrote:
IDK, maybe I’m too optimistic…

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Far too optimistic. Actor choices have been crucified for much less of a glaring difference and decent actors where blasted because they did not “look the part”. That’s the thing that makes superhero’s so difficult I think, the casting has to be one of the most complicated things because of having to satisfy peoples ideas of what a cartoon character would look like if they were an actual person and they have to be able to act the part as well.

Like Topher Grace as Venom/Eddie Brock. That was a huge WTF moment for me with that movie. If you go in trying to not concern yourself with the material that you are essentially basing your movie off of you are bound to fail and fail hard.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
The defining feature of whites: no interest in group identity.[/quote]

I disagree.

Correction: “no need for interest in group identity because society already caters to that group by default”.[/quote]

In 1983? Sure. 2013? Nope. [/quote]

I think it still holds. While there has definitely been imaginable change in the positive direction that MLK would have only dreamed about, at its base, this is still mostly a “white society”. I mean that in the sense that for instance there is still a “white male action hero” standard even if you do have guys like the Rock coming in from his Samoan roots.

When the basis of the culture is founded on a specific culture to the point that “black barbie dolls” were actually an invention in my life span, you can’t claim they were erased in only 20 years.

That is why I would say most whites feel little need for “group identification”.

That isn’t meant in a derogatory way either…just the truth.
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I think like a lot of “multicultural” fanatics, you do not believe that culture runs deeper than skin deep.

I also think that you will not like the loss of the culture you identify as white and that I would call European one bit.

Rule of law, private property, meritocracy, that was nice as long as it lasted.

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I have to chuckle at the lack of common sense in this thread.

Several things that have yet to be addressed at any level:

  1. The use of separation, isolation, and victimization is a progressive propaganda technique that has been used for over 100 years. Instead of rejecting the argument, people bend over backwards to defend their position. There are no victims. One is only as isolated as he makes himself - and that goes double for separation.

  2. All of the institutional racism of the previous half-century was government imposed - not socially.

  3. LBJ created and signed into law the most racist government intrusion into private society in the history of American politics. Yet no one has addressed the abject racism inherent in the “Great Society”.

Until people are willing to stop perpetuating the lies of progressive racists, and stop accepting the complete and utter intergenerational racism started in 1964-65, there can be absolutely no honest debate of race issues.

I could give a shit who is a majority or a minority. Ultimately, we are al Americans. Either you believe in personal freedoms and the constitution, or you believe in big government and cradle-to-grave protection. How in the hell does skin color enter into those two choices?

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^It may be only a guess but are we talking about the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

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[quote]four60 wrote:
^It may be only a guess but are we talking about the Civil Rights Act of 1964?[/quote]

Not really. But LBJ, in reference to the Civil Rights Bill said the following:

[i]“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One -

“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.” - LBJ[/i]

My reference to LBJ’s destruction of the black community was his Great Society legislation in 1965.

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drunkboy, you’re going to get crucified for your first post.

Although LBJ was a complete piece of shit and I agree with you there with regard to his two quotes. Unfortunately I completely disagree that the racism of the last 50 years was governmentally driven not socially driven, and most people here will agree.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:

drunkboy, you’re going to get crucified for your first post.

Although LBJ was a complete piece of shit and I agree with you there with regard to his two quotes. Unfortunately I completely disagree that the racism of the last 50 years was governmentally driven not socially driven, and most people here will agree. [/quote]

You are more than free to disagree all you want. The rest of T-Nation is also free to disagree, as well. However - all of you would be disagreeing with the facts.

In no particular order -

  1. Rosa Parks was not forced to sit at the rear of a private bus.

  2. White’s-only dringking fountains were found on public property - not private.

  3. Brown did not sue a private school. It was Brown v. Board of Education - a government entity.

  4. Business’ refusal to serve blacks was supported and encouraged by local governments. Businesses wishing to engage in truly free trade were not allowed.

  5. The notion that black men were only worth 3/5ths of a human being was an act of the federal government - not the private citizenry.

Sadly, the government considering the black man worth 3/5ths of a human being would be a decided step up from the value placed on the black man by today’s ultra-racist, eugenics-loving progressive activist (aka the entire DC establishment of both major political parties).

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[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

drunkboy, you’re going to get crucified for your first post.

Although LBJ was a complete piece of shit and I agree with you there with regard to his two quotes. Unfortunately I completely disagree that the racism of the last 50 years was governmentally driven not socially driven, and most people here will agree. [/quote]

You are more than free to disagree all you want. The rest of T-Nation is also free to disagree, as well. However - all of you would be disagreeing with the facts.

In no particular order -

  1. Rosa Parks was not forced to sit at the rear of a private bus.

  2. White’s-only dringking fountains were found on public property - not private.

  3. Brown did not sue a private school. It was Brown v. Board of Education - a government entity.

  4. Business’ refusal to serve blacks was supported and encouraged by local governments. Businesses wishing to engage in truly free trade were not allowed.

  5. The notion that black men were only worth 3/5ths of a human being was an act of the federal government - not the private citizenry.

Sadly, the government considering the black man worth 3/5ths of a human being would be a decided step up from the value placed on the black man by today’s ultra-racist, eugenics-loving progressive activist (aka the entire DC establishment of both major political parties).
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All of this institutional racism you point out was simply the product of the wishes of the people at the time, which is why they elected officials that codified their racist beliefs.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

drunkboy, you’re going to get crucified for your first post.

Although LBJ was a complete piece of shit and I agree with you there with regard to his two quotes. Unfortunately I completely disagree that the racism of the last 50 years was governmentally driven not socially driven, and most people here will agree. [/quote]

You are more than free to disagree all you want. The rest of T-Nation is also free to disagree, as well. However - all of you would be disagreeing with the facts.

In no particular order -

  1. Rosa Parks was not forced to sit at the rear of a private bus.

  2. White’s-only dringking fountains were found on public property - not private.

  3. Brown did not sue a private school. It was Brown v. Board of Education - a government entity.

  4. Business’ refusal to serve blacks was supported and encouraged by local governments. Businesses wishing to engage in truly free trade were not allowed.

  5. The notion that black men were only worth 3/5ths of a human being was an act of the federal government - not the private citizenry.

Sadly, the government considering the black man worth 3/5ths of a human being would be a decided step up from the value placed on the black man by today’s ultra-racist, eugenics-loving progressive activist (aka the entire DC establishment of both major political parties).
[/quote]

All of this institutional racism you point out was simply the product of the wishes of the people at the time, which is why they elected officials that codified their racist beliefs.[/quote]

Just to add to what DB said; the general wish of the people was not only backed up by politicians and magistrates; it was often enforced by either loose bands of enforcers and thugs…but also more organized groups like the Klan.

Mufasa

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

drunkboy, you’re going to get crucified for your first post.

Although LBJ was a complete piece of shit and I agree with you there with regard to his two quotes. Unfortunately I completely disagree that the racism of the last 50 years was governmentally driven not socially driven, and most people here will agree. [/quote]

You are more than free to disagree all you want. The rest of T-Nation is also free to disagree, as well. However - all of you would be disagreeing with the facts.

In no particular order -

  1. Rosa Parks was not forced to sit at the rear of a private bus.

  2. White’s-only dringking fountains were found on public property - not private.

  3. Brown did not sue a private school. It was Brown v. Board of Education - a government entity.

  4. Business’ refusal to serve blacks was supported and encouraged by local governments. Businesses wishing to engage in truly free trade were not allowed.

  5. The notion that black men were only worth 3/5ths of a human being was an act of the federal government - not the private citizenry.

Sadly, the government considering the black man worth 3/5ths of a human being would be a decided step up from the value placed on the black man by today’s ultra-racist, eugenics-loving progressive activist (aka the entire DC establishment of both major political parties).
[/quote]

All of this institutional racism you point out was simply the product of the wishes of the people at the time, which is why they elected officials that codified their racist beliefs.[/quote]

Just to add to what DB said; the general wish of the people was not only backed up by politicians and magistrates; it was often enforced by either loose bands of enforcers and thugs…but also more organized groups like the Klan.

Mufasa[/quote]

In a country in which the government is elected by society, it’s pretty silly to argue that racism is driven by the government and not society or the people. After all, “government” is just a collection of people anyways.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

drunkboy, you’re going to get crucified for your first post.

Although LBJ was a complete piece of shit and I agree with you there with regard to his two quotes. Unfortunately I completely disagree that the racism of the last 50 years was governmentally driven not socially driven, and most people here will agree. [/quote]

You are more than free to disagree all you want. The rest of T-Nation is also free to disagree, as well. However - all of you would be disagreeing with the facts.

In no particular order -

  1. Rosa Parks was not forced to sit at the rear of a private bus.

  2. White’s-only dringking fountains were found on public property - not private.

  3. Brown did not sue a private school. It was Brown v. Board of Education - a government entity.

  4. Business’ refusal to serve blacks was supported and encouraged by local governments. Businesses wishing to engage in truly free trade were not allowed.

  5. The notion that black men were only worth 3/5ths of a human being was an act of the federal government - not the private citizenry.

Sadly, the government considering the black man worth 3/5ths of a human being would be a decided step up from the value placed on the black man by today’s ultra-racist, eugenics-loving progressive activist (aka the entire DC establishment of both major political parties).
[/quote]

All of this institutional racism you point out was simply the product of the wishes of the people at the time, which is why they elected officials that codified their racist beliefs.[/quote]

The only way racism can exist is by government enforcement. Dance around it all you want, but you lack the intellectual honesty to admit the same government you just excused is still the leading perpetrator of the same racism you blamed on the people of the 60’s.

Here’s question for you: Has the Great Society helped or hindered the black community over the last 50 years?

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[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]drunkpig wrote:

[quote]Aragorn wrote:

drunkboy, you’re going to get crucified for your first post.

Although LBJ was a complete piece of shit and I agree with you there with regard to his two quotes. Unfortunately I completely disagree that the racism of the last 50 years was governmentally driven not socially driven, and most people here will agree. [/quote]

You are more than free to disagree all you want. The rest of T-Nation is also free to disagree, as well. However - all of you would be disagreeing with the facts.

In no particular order -

  1. Rosa Parks was not forced to sit at the rear of a private bus.

  2. White’s-only dringking fountains were found on public property - not private.

  3. Brown did not sue a private school. It was Brown v. Board of Education - a government entity.

  4. Business’ refusal to serve blacks was supported and encouraged by local governments. Businesses wishing to engage in truly free trade were not allowed.

  5. The notion that black men were only worth 3/5ths of a human being was an act of the federal government - not the private citizenry.

Sadly, the government considering the black man worth 3/5ths of a human being would be a decided step up from the value placed on the black man by today’s ultra-racist, eugenics-loving progressive activist (aka the entire DC establishment of both major political parties).
[/quote]

All of this institutional racism you point out was simply the product of the wishes of the people at the time, which is why they elected officials that codified their racist beliefs.[/quote]

The only way racism can exist is by government enforcement. Dance around it all you want, but you lack the intellectual honesty to admit the same government you just excused is still the leading perpetrator of the same racism you blamed on the people of the 60’s.

Here’s question for you: Has the Great Society helped or hindered the black community over the last 50 years?
[/quote]

Racism can exist whether the government enforces it or not. Many forms of racism have been “outlawed” in this country and yet it still exists. If there were no government at all it would still exist. Lynchings were not government-sanctioned occurrences. The murder of three civil rights workers in Philadelphia, Mississippi was not a government-sanctioned occurrence. I could go on and on and on.

Intellectual honesty? This coming from someone who regularly convolutes and bastardizes my arguments to fit his own narrow viewpoint? I laugh, little piglet. Run all the way home and drink more of your Woodford’s. What the Great Society has done or not done over the last 50 years does not have any bearing on whether or not racism is a societal or governmental phenomenon. Racism existed long before the Great Society was ever perpetrated upon this country. It was simply a reaction to a problem that had been in existence for many years prior.

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I don’t like making broad generalizations about race. I think that some people have helped them and some have tried to hinder them. Alot of them have helped themselves to cut out the white middle men who have historically robbed them. I am white and growing up in a multicultural area I lerned that they want to be accepted as they are and not for what you think they should be.

I have read interesting articles from people talking about coming to North America and having to Become black because in their home countries they are defined by other attributes other then their skin tone. That is to say they don’t want you to believe them to be thugs uncle tom’s ect they just want their race to be left out of the equation. Although as many of you know it isn’t, it is still a social construct and will be passed down if we do not remove racist ideologies from our culture now. I think that all religions and ethnic groups should be integrated and should not be forced or choose to be isolated, this goes for mostly etremist people in any faith christians muslims ect should not be allowed to congregate in small bubbles and create extremism because everyone suffers from the small groups of idiots.

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[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
If I was going to argue you on one thing, it would be liking Tyler Perry movies. I have a sneaking suspicion even most black people don’t honestly like Tyler Perry movies.
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I am a non-black who likes Tyler Perry movies. I have a black friend who likes Tyler Perry movies, and a non-black friend who enjoyed at least one Tyler Perry movie. Admittedly, this is just anecdotal.

It’s hard to imagine how anyone with any sense of humor can not like any scene with “Madea” in it. Although I suppose some people might not like the movies overall.