[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
If I was going to argue you on one thing, it would be liking Tyler Perry movies. I have a sneaking suspicion even most black people don’t honestly like Tyler Perry movies.
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I am a non-black who likes Tyler Perry movies. I have a black friend who likes Tyler Perry movies, and a non-black friend who enjoyed at least one Tyler Perry movie. Admittedly, this is just anecdotal.
It’s hard to imagine how anyone with any sense of humor can not like any scene with “Madea” in it. Although I suppose some people might not like the movies overall.
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I Admire anyone that rose from poverty with nothing more than talent, will and Hard work. I wish Tyler Perry a long and happy life. Now having stated that in my soul of souls I want him to stop I want him and Adam sandler to hold hands and jump into the abyss of shit and reruns of everything after Waterboy. If I seen either it will be a task of Herculean strength not to thrash them both with a wet tube sock filled with tennis balls. I hate them both so very much
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
If I was going to argue you on one thing, it would be liking Tyler Perry movies. I have a sneaking suspicion even most black people don’t honestly like Tyler Perry movies.
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I am a non-black who likes Tyler Perry movies. I have a black friend who likes Tyler Perry movies, and a non-black friend who enjoyed at least one Tyler Perry movie. Admittedly, this is just anecdotal.
It’s hard to imagine how anyone with any sense of humor can not like any scene with “Madea” in it. Although I suppose some people might not like the movies overall.
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I Admire anyone that rose from poverty with nothing more than talent, will and Hard work. I wish Tyler Perry a long and happy life. Now having stated that in my soul of souls I want him to stop I want him and Adam sandler to hold hands and jump into the abyss of shit and reruns of everything after Waterboy. If I seen either it will be a task of Herculean strength not to thrash them both with a wet tube sock filled with tennis balls. I hate them both so very much
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Adam Sandler is the white Tyler Perry, a brilliant comparison indeed. Madea is a black culture’s response to Ernest P. Worrell mixed with Mrs. Doubtfire, and none of it is really that good of a sign. I guess it depends on the humour at hand, I can’t deal with Madea movies for the same reason as the other aforementioned movies (except maybe Mrs. Doubtfire, I can get along with that one.), it’s overtly mindless with no real sense of purpose or appreciable comedic setup and I can’t bring myself to jive with that.
I need purpose from a comedy, some mental fortitude behind the script and at least a glimmer of a recognisable plotline. With Tyler Perry comedies, all I’ve seen is people on a screen shouting words and the occasional person giggling at said words. Maybe I get too angry when people actually begin to like this kind of shit, but I just can’t understand why. Even drunk and high I’ve not had any significant connection with Perry’s comedy style, even if I were black and the target audience I’d probably still feel exactly the same way.
All I want is some kind of respectable comedy from him, it doesn’t even have to be a Woody Allen or a Mel Brooks kind of classic, but just something that isn’t completely deprived of logic and wit, just one.
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
If I was going to argue you on one thing, it would be liking Tyler Perry movies. I have a sneaking suspicion even most black people don’t honestly like Tyler Perry movies.
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I am a non-black who likes Tyler Perry movies. I have a black friend who likes Tyler Perry movies, and a non-black friend who enjoyed at least one Tyler Perry movie. Admittedly, this is just anecdotal.
It’s hard to imagine how anyone with any sense of humor can not like any scene with “Madea” in it. Although I suppose some people might not like the movies overall.
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I Admire anyone that rose from poverty with nothing more than talent, will and Hard work. I wish Tyler Perry a long and happy life. Now having stated that in my soul of souls I want him to stop I want him and Adam sandler to hold hands and jump into the abyss of shit and reruns of everything after Waterboy. If I seen either it will be a task of Herculean strength not to thrash them both with a wet tube sock filled with tennis balls. I hate them both so very much
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So I take it you don’t like Tyler Perry movies, then. (Cue Captain Obvious theme song.)
[quote]Big Kahuna wrote:
If I was going to argue you on one thing, it would be liking Tyler Perry movies. I have a sneaking suspicion even most black people don’t honestly like Tyler Perry movies.
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I am a non-black who likes Tyler Perry movies. I have a black friend who likes Tyler Perry movies, and a non-black friend who enjoyed at least one Tyler Perry movie. Admittedly, this is just anecdotal.
It’s hard to imagine how anyone with any sense of humor can not like any scene with “Madea” in it. Although I suppose some people might not like the movies overall.
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I Admire anyone that rose from poverty with nothing more than talent, will and Hard work. I wish Tyler Perry a long and happy life. Now having stated that in my soul of souls I want him to stop I want him and Adam sandler to hold hands and jump into the abyss of shit and reruns of everything after Waterboy. If I seen either it will be a task of Herculean strength not to thrash them both with a wet tube sock filled with tennis balls. I hate them both so very much
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So I take it you don’t like Tyler Perry movies, then. (Cue Captain Obvious theme song.)
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You probably wouldn’t like the Captain Obvious theme song, either. So I won’t bother composing it.
[quote]four60 wrote:
^It may be only a guess but are we talking about the Civil Rights Act of 1964?[/quote]
Not really. But LBJ, in reference to the Civil Rights Bill said the following:
[i]“I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.” Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One -
“These Negroes, they’re getting pretty uppity these days and that’s a problem for us since they’ve got something now they never had before, the political pull to back up their uppityness. Now we’ve got to do something about this, we’ve got to give them a little something, just enough to quiet them down, not enough to make a difference.” - LBJ[/i]
My reference to LBJ’s destruction of the black community was his Great Society legislation in 1965.
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Do you think LBJ would be a democrat today?
I’ve known about this for quite a while… It’s going to be interesting how things change, as there will be new minorities in places like the Church etc…
The other thing is I think the way we view race and ethnicity is going to change more and more as people identify with their mixed heritages more honestly. End of the day, things are pretty damned mixed as it is and there’s not a damned thing wrong with it. Hopefully in time, we will all just have a homogenized look and we wont have to fret about appearances. Really, this is shit that shouldn’t matter.
If things are very mixed by 2043, imagine how they will look when we are all likely dead and gone by 2100? With some luck, race and ethnicity will be viewed more as an archaic construct. I think the reality of progress is that we move past the bullshit and focus on what’s important.
[quote]csulli wrote:
Non-white people will be “minorities” even if white people only comprise 10% of the population. At least that’s what it seems like the definition of minority is nowadays.[/quote]
This, affirmative action will never go anywhere and it will never be applied to whites. Even if whites are the minority the only thing that will change is the terminology. It will be the whites and the “socially disadvantaged”. Borrowed this term for all non-whites from a form I was reading the other day.[/quote]
If you’re white you better hope you never need AA to begin with, ever. BTW, AA does apply to the pastiest whites you can think of but everyone seems to forget that.
drunkboy, you’re going to get crucified for your first post.
Although LBJ was a complete piece of shit and I agree with you there with regard to his two quotes. Unfortunately I completely disagree that the racism of the last 50 years was governmentally driven not socially driven, and most people here will agree. [/quote]
You are more than free to disagree all you want. The rest of T-Nation is also free to disagree, as well. However - all of you would be disagreeing with the facts.
In no particular order -
Rosa Parks was not forced to sit at the rear of a private bus.
White’s-only dringking fountains were found on public property - not private.
Brown did not sue a private school. It was Brown v. Board of Education - a government entity.
Business’ refusal to serve blacks was supported and encouraged by local governments. Businesses wishing to engage in truly free trade were not allowed.
The notion that black men were only worth 3/5ths of a human being was an act of the federal government - not the private citizenry.
Sadly, the government considering the black man worth 3/5ths of a human being would be a decided step up from the value placed on the black man by today’s ultra-racist, eugenics-loving progressive activist (aka the entire DC establishment of both major political parties).
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All of this institutional racism you point out was simply the product of the wishes of the people at the time, which is why they elected officials that codified their racist beliefs.[/quote]
The only way racism can exist is by government enforcement. Dance around it all you want, but you lack the intellectual honesty to admit the same government you just excused is still the leading perpetrator of the same racism you blamed on the people of the 60’s.
Here’s question for you: Has the Great Society helped or hindered the black community over the last 50 years?
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WTF is the black community?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The defining feature of whites: no interest in group identity.[/quote]
I disagree.
Correction: “no need for interest in group identity because society already caters to that group by default”.[/quote]
In 1983? Sure. 2013? Nope. [/quote]
I think it still holds. While there has definitely been imaginable change in the positive direction that MLK would have only dreamed about, at its base, this is still mostly a “white society”. I mean that in the sense that for instance there is still a “white male action hero” standard even if you do have guys like the Rock coming in from his Samoan roots.
When the basis of the culture is founded on a specific culture to the point that “black barbie dolls” were actually an invention in my life span, you can’t claim they were erased in only 20 years.
That is why I would say most whites feel little need for “group identification”.
That isn’t meant in a derogatory way either…just the truth.
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Cool. Keep telling it man.
Want to hear me tell you what it’s like to be black and why black people identify racially?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
The defining feature of whites: no interest in group identity.[/quote]
I disagree.
Correction: “no need for interest in group identity because society already caters to that group by default”.[/quote]
In 1983? Sure. 2013? Nope. [/quote]
I think it still holds. While there has definitely been imaginable change in the positive direction that MLK would have only dreamed about, at its base, this is still mostly a “white society”. I mean that in the sense that for instance there is still a “white male action hero” standard even if you do have guys like the Rock coming in from his Samoan roots.
When the basis of the culture is founded on a specific culture to the point that “black barbie dolls” were actually an invention in my life span, you can’t claim they were erased in only 20 years.
That is why I would say most whites feel little need for “group identification”.
That isn’t meant in a derogatory way either…just the truth.
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Cool. Keep telling it man.
Want to hear me tell you what it’s like to be black and why black people identify racially?[/quote]
Gee, maybe I would want that if I was “trying to tell you what its like to be white”…but I wasn’t…so why would I want that?
drunkboy, you’re going to get crucified for your first post.
Although LBJ was a complete piece of shit and I agree with you there with regard to his two quotes. Unfortunately I completely disagree that the racism of the last 50 years was governmentally driven not socially driven, and most people here will agree. [/quote]
You are more than free to disagree all you want. The rest of T-Nation is also free to disagree, as well. However - all of you would be disagreeing with the facts.
In no particular order -
Rosa Parks was not forced to sit at the rear of a private bus.
White’s-only dringking fountains were found on public property - not private.
Brown did not sue a private school. It was Brown v. Board of Education - a government entity.
Business’ refusal to serve blacks was supported and encouraged by local governments. Businesses wishing to engage in truly free trade were not allowed.
The notion that black men were only worth 3/5ths of a human being was an act of the federal government - not the private citizenry.
Sadly, the government considering the black man worth 3/5ths of a human being would be a decided step up from the value placed on the black man by today’s ultra-racist, eugenics-loving progressive activist (aka the entire DC establishment of both major political parties).
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All of this institutional racism you point out was simply the product of the wishes of the people at the time, which is why they elected officials that codified their racist beliefs.[/quote]
The only way racism can exist is by government enforcement. Dance around it all you want, but you lack the intellectual honesty to admit the same government you just excused is still the leading perpetrator of the same racism you blamed on the people of the 60’s.
Here’s question for you: Has the Great Society helped or hindered the black community over the last 50 years?
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WTF is the black community? [/quote]
I don’t know, but the good “Reverend’s” Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson sure seem to talk about it an awful lot.
I don’t know, but the good “Reverend’s” Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson sure seem to talk about it an awful lot.[/quote]
That’s because “the WHITE community” thinks they speak for “the BLACK community”…well, that and they need more ratings and Sharpton’s hair has been waiting all its life for this.
I don’t know, but the good “Reverend’s” Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson sure seem to talk about it an awful lot.[/quote]
That’s because “the WHITE community” thinks they speak for “the BLACK community”…well, that and they need more ratings and Sharpton’s hair has been waiting all its life for this.[/quote]
Community is such a weird word…I think that the sooner we start identifying on national lines instead of racial lines, it will be much better.
And I will admit, that Sharpton line made me laugh…dudes hair has it’s own Twitter feed.
I don’t know, but the good “Reverend’s” Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson sure seem to talk about it an awful lot.[/quote]
That’s because “the WHITE community” thinks they speak for “the BLACK community”…well, that and they need more ratings and Sharpton’s hair has been waiting all its life for this.[/quote]
Community is such a weird word…I think that the sooner we start identifying on national lines instead of racial lines, it will be much better.
And I will admit, that Sharpton line made me laugh…dudes hair has it’s own Twitter feed.[/quote]
Sharpton’s hair is like Dr. Strangelove’s arm…thing just is an animal all its own.
The big question is whose is worse: Sharpton’s or Don King’s?
I don’t know, but the good “Reverend’s” Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson sure seem to talk about it an awful lot.[/quote]
That’s because “the WHITE community” thinks they speak for “the BLACK community”…well, that and they need more ratings and Sharpton’s hair has been waiting all its life for this.[/quote]
Community is such a weird word…I think that the sooner we start identifying on national lines instead of racial lines, it will be much better.
And I will admit, that Sharpton line made me laugh…dudes hair has it’s own Twitter feed.[/quote]
Sharpton’s hair is like Dr. Strangelove’s arm…thing just is an animal all its own.
The big question is whose is worse: Sharpton’s or Don King’s?
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