[quote]BrickHead wrote:
And ever wonder why the topics of PUA and interaction with women are such common off-topics in BODYBUILDING forums? I know I will get hit for my thoughts on that, which I have in the past. [/quote]
Another question: do guys with standout physiques generally date up?
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
And ever wonder why the topics of PUA and interaction with women are such common off-topics in BODYBUILDING forums? I know I will get hit for my thoughts on that, which I have in the past. [/quote]
Another question: do guys with standout physiques generally date up?[/quote]
Few men date up. It’s not like I know so many damn people, but out of those I do know, I don’t know anyone who dated up financially or aesthetically.
I can even run through a few dozen couples I know offhand… Uh, nope, no one dated up, lifters included.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]therajraj wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
And ever wonder why the topics of PUA and interaction with women are such common off-topics in BODYBUILDING forums? I know I will get hit for my thoughts on that, which I have in the past. [/quote]
Another question: do guys with standout physiques generally date up?[/quote]
Few men date up. It’s not like I know so many damn people, but out of those I do know, I don’t know anyone who dated up financially or aesthetically.
I can even run through a few dozen couples I know offhand… Uh, nope, no one dated up, lifters included. [/quote]
Guys date up aesthetically all the time. The world is full of women who don’t care, don’t care that much, care about other things more or actually don’t even want to date good looking guys.
Yes, some have. I believe few have though. It’s that or I am not being observant enough.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Yes, some have. I believe few have though. It’s that or I am not being observant enough. [/quote]
I think you were spot on.
I justr think that “up” has little to do with looks.
[quote]on edge wrote:
If I had the skills I’d quickly set up a fake PUA website and I’d make Hockey’s story the Go To story for pulling tail. Then I’d get Orien to link it to you. I wouldn’t want to dirty my hands ya know.[/quote]
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying here. That I’ve been manipulated? I’m not following, and I’m feeling painfully aware that I should not have shared so much.
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
If I had the skills I’d quickly set up a fake PUA website and I’d make Hockey’s story the Go To story for pulling tail. Then I’d get Orien to link it to you. I wouldn’t want to dirty my hands ya know.[/quote]
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying here. That I’ve been manipulated? I’m not following, and I’m feeling painfully aware that I should not have shared so much.[/quote]
You converted a MGTOW you trollop!
As for being “painfully aware”, we are not “judging you” we are “busting your balls”.
Not quite the same.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Not to be pedantic or anything, but you do realise that “celibate” does not mean “abstaining from sex”, right?
Celibacy is the state of abstaining from marriage, usually for religious reasons.
The word you are thinking of is “chastity”.
Carry on. [/quote]
Merriam-Webster disagrees with your contention.[/quote]
Merriam AND Webster can both suck my cock if they don’t understand Latin.
[/quote]
I was sitting in a deposition of a Priest when another lawyer asked about some nasty-ass posts he had on a gay/hookup chat room and after confirming he was sexually active he asked him why he was violating his vows of celibacy. And the Priest was quick to point out the exact same thing you did: “celibate just means I can’t get married to a woman.”
Then the lawyer asked, do your perishioners understand your definition of “celibacy”? And he shrugged and said, “well, its not something we really like to advertise.”
[/quote]
Yeah. This is one of the major differences between a priest and a monk. Priests take vows of celibacy, whereas monks (and nuns) take vows of chastity. So technically a priest can still fuck if he wants to, he just can’t marry.
But nobody cares what words mean, which is why everyone uses the word decimate as if it meant “completely destroy”, when its actual meaning is “reduce the number (of people) by ten percent”. Even Merriam and fucking Webster pander to the ignorant masses with that one.
[/irrelevant tangent]
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Yes, some have. I believe few have though. It’s that or I am not being observant enough. [/quote]
I think you were spot on.
I justr think that “up” has little to do with looks. [/quote]
It has to do with socioeconomic status as well. Few men date up socioeconomically.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Yes, some have. I believe few have though. It’s that or I am not being observant enough. [/quote]
I think you were spot on.
I justr think that “up” has little to do with looks. [/quote]
It has to do with socioeconomic status as well. Few men date up socioeconomically. [/quote]
No.
Few women do.
Which means, as a man, no dice…
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
If I had the skills I’d quickly set up a fake PUA website and I’d make Hockey’s story the Go To story for pulling tail. Then I’d get Orien to link it to you. I wouldn’t want to dirty my hands ya know.[/quote]
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying here. That I’ve been manipulated? I’m not following, and I’m feeling painfully aware that I should not have shared so much.[/quote]
I’m just joking around, Em. I’m sure you have not been manipulated. As I’m sure you’re sure.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
[quote]on edge wrote:
If I had the skills I’d quickly set up a fake PUA website and I’d make Hockey’s story the Go To story for pulling tail. Then I’d get Orien to link it to you. I wouldn’t want to dirty my hands ya know.[/quote]
I’m not sure I understand what you’re saying here. That I’ve been manipulated? I’m not following, and I’m feeling painfully aware that I should not have shared so much.[/quote]
You converted a MGTOW you trollop!
As for being “painfully aware”, we are not “judging you” we are “busting your balls”.
Not quite the same.[/quote]
I wasn’t worried about being judged, I simply had no idea what he was saying.
And the mention, joking or not, of linking anything I wrote anywhere made me aware that it was not my life to share. It was shitty of me to tell his story.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Not to be pedantic or anything, but you do realise that “celibate” does not mean “abstaining from sex”, right?
Celibacy is the state of abstaining from marriage, usually for religious reasons.
The word you are thinking of is “chastity”.
Carry on. [/quote]
Merriam-Webster disagrees with your contention.[/quote]
Merriam AND Webster can both suck my cock if they don’t understand Latin.
[/quote]
I was sitting in a deposition of a Priest when another lawyer asked about some nasty-ass posts he had on a gay/hookup chat room and after confirming he was sexually active he asked him why he was violating his vows of celibacy. And the Priest was quick to point out the exact same thing you did: “celibate just means I can’t get married to a woman.”
Then the lawyer asked, do your perishioners understand your definition of “celibacy”? And he shrugged and said, “well, its not something we really like to advertise.”
[/quote]
Yeah. This is one of the major differences between a priest and a monk. Priests take vows of celibacy, whereas monks (and nuns) take vows of chastity. So technically a priest can still fuck if he wants to, he just can’t marry.
But nobody cares what words mean, which is why everyone uses the word decimate as if it meant “completely destroy”, when its actual meaning is “reduce the number (of people) by ten percent”. Even Merriam and fucking Webster pander to the ignorant masses with that one.
[/irrelevant tangent][/quote]
Because irrelevant tangents are the best tangents…wouldn’t the “no sex before marriage” clause shut down that whole priestly sexcapades?
[quote]TheKraken wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Not to be pedantic or anything, but you do realise that “celibate” does not mean “abstaining from sex”, right?
Celibacy is the state of abstaining from marriage, usually for religious reasons.
The word you are thinking of is “chastity”.
Carry on. [/quote]
Merriam-Webster disagrees with your contention.[/quote]
Merriam AND Webster can both suck my cock if they don’t understand Latin.
[/quote]
I was sitting in a deposition of a Priest when another lawyer asked about some nasty-ass posts he had on a gay/hookup chat room and after confirming he was sexually active he asked him why he was violating his vows of celibacy. And the Priest was quick to point out the exact same thing you did: “celibate just means I can’t get married to a woman.”
Then the lawyer asked, do your perishioners understand your definition of “celibacy”? And he shrugged and said, “well, its not something we really like to advertise.”
[/quote]
Yeah. This is one of the major differences between a priest and a monk. Priests take vows of celibacy, whereas monks (and nuns) take vows of chastity. So technically a priest can still fuck if he wants to, he just can’t marry.
But nobody cares what words mean, which is why everyone uses the word decimate as if it meant “completely destroy”, when its actual meaning is “reduce the number (of people) by ten percent”. Even Merriam and fucking Webster pander to the ignorant masses with that one.
[/irrelevant tangent][/quote]
Because irrelevant tangents are the best tangents…wouldn’t the “no sex before marriage” clause shut down that whole priestly sexcapades? [/quote]
That was my thought on the irrelevant tangent as well.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Not to be pedantic or anything, but you do realise that “celibate” does not mean “abstaining from sex”, right?
Celibacy is the state of abstaining from marriage, usually for religious reasons.
The word you are thinking of is “chastity”.
Carry on. [/quote]
Merriam-Webster disagrees with your contention.[/quote]
Merriam AND Webster can both suck my cock if they don’t understand Latin.
[/quote]
I was sitting in a deposition of a Priest when another lawyer asked about some nasty-ass posts he had on a gay/hookup chat room and after confirming he was sexually active he asked him why he was violating his vows of celibacy. And the Priest was quick to point out the exact same thing you did: “celibate just means I can’t get married to a woman.”
Then the lawyer asked, do your perishioners understand your definition of “celibacy”? And he shrugged and said, “well, its not something we really like to advertise.”
[/quote]
Yeah. This is one of the major differences between a priest and a monk. Priests take vows of celibacy, whereas monks (and nuns) take vows of chastity. So technically a priest can still fuck if he wants to, he just can’t marry.
But nobody cares what words mean, which is why everyone uses the word decimate as if it meant “completely destroy”, when its actual meaning is “reduce the number (of people) by ten percent”. Even Merriam and fucking Webster pander to the ignorant masses with that one.
[/irrelevant tangent][/quote]
A word means what your audience thinks it means when you say it. Otherwise you are just babbling. We don’t speak Latin. In Englinsh, celibacy means refraining from sexual relations and marriage. You are suggesting that the Catholic Church explicitly condones its priests having unmarried sex and potentially homosexual sex. This is completely untrue (and the fact that one errant priest used this argument to defend his behavior doesn’t change that).
Chastity is simply having sex only within marriage. Most traditional Christian faiths prescribe chastity to all members. Celibacy is a subset of chastity where you don’t marry but remain chaste (and thus have no sex at all).
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Not to be pedantic or anything, but you do realise that “celibate” does not mean “abstaining from sex”, right?
Celibacy is the state of abstaining from marriage, usually for religious reasons.
The word you are thinking of is “chastity”.
Carry on. [/quote]
Merriam-Webster disagrees with your contention.[/quote]
Merriam AND Webster can both suck my cock if they don’t understand Latin.
[/quote]
I was sitting in a deposition of a Priest when another lawyer asked about some nasty-ass posts he had on a gay/hookup chat room and after confirming he was sexually active he asked him why he was violating his vows of celibacy. And the Priest was quick to point out the exact same thing you did: “celibate just means I can’t get married to a woman.”
Then the lawyer asked, do your perishioners understand your definition of “celibacy”? And he shrugged and said, “well, its not something we really like to advertise.”
[/quote]
Yeah. This is one of the major differences between a priest and a monk. Priests take vows of celibacy, whereas monks (and nuns) take vows of chastity. So technically a priest can still fuck if he wants to, he just can’t marry.
But nobody cares what words mean, which is why everyone uses the word decimate as if it meant “completely destroy”, when its actual meaning is “reduce the number (of people) by ten percent”. Even Merriam and fucking Webster pander to the ignorant masses with that one.
[/irrelevant tangent][/quote]
A word means what your audience thinks it means when you say it. Otherwise you are just babbling. We don’t speak Latin. In Englinsh, celibacy means refraining from sexual relations and marriage. You are suggesting that the Catholic Church explicitly condones its priests having unmarried sex and potentially homosexual sex. This is completely untrue (and the fact that one errant priest used this argument to defend his behavior doesn’t change that).
[/quote]
Englinsh, you say?
I think Humpty Dumpty was speaking Englinsh in Through the Looking Glass:
When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less”.
One would think that a priest taking a vow of celibacy would know just what he’s signing up for. A vow of celibacy is not the same as a vow of chastity. Ask any Catholic to explain the difference to you.
It is a rather curious phenomenon, to be sure. If enough people misuse a word, like decimate or celibate, the misused definition becomes, by default, the approved one, as even the dictionaries, which are supposed to be the arbiters of correct English (or Englinsh, if you prefer) usage, simply pander to the masses.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
It is a rather curious phenomenon, to be sure. If enough people misuse a word, like decimate or celibate, the misused definition becomes, by default, the approved one, as even the dictionaries, which are supposed to be the arbiters of correct English (or Englinsh, if you prefer) usage, simply pander to the masses.[/quote]
True.
200 years ago I could have said “I met Sally at the inn and engaged in quite delightful intercourse” and everyone, including my wife would want to know what wonderful ideas we talked about.
Say that in 2015, and I’d end up divorced.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
It is a rather curious phenomenon, to be sure. If enough people misuse a word, like decimate or celibate, the misused definition becomes, by default, the approved one, as even the dictionaries, which are supposed to be the arbiters of correct English (or Englinsh, if you prefer) usage, simply pander to the masses.[/quote]
True.
200 years ago I could have said “I met Sally at the inn and engaged in quite delightful intercourse” and everyone, including my wife would want to know what wonderful ideas we talked about.
Say that in 2015, and I’d end up divorced. [/quote]
Wives were much more forgiving about the important role of prostitution 200 years ago.
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Not to be pedantic or anything, but you do realise that “celibate” does not mean “abstaining from sex”, right?
Celibacy is the state of abstaining from marriage, usually for religious reasons.
The word you are thinking of is “chastity”.
Carry on. [/quote]
Merriam-Webster disagrees with your contention.[/quote]
Merriam AND Webster can both suck my cock if they don’t understand Latin.
[/quote]
I was sitting in a deposition of a Priest when another lawyer asked about some nasty-ass posts he had on a gay/hookup chat room and after confirming he was sexually active he asked him why he was violating his vows of celibacy. And the Priest was quick to point out the exact same thing you did: “celibate just means I can’t get married to a woman.”
Then the lawyer asked, do your perishioners understand your definition of “celibacy”? And he shrugged and said, “well, its not something we really like to advertise.”
[/quote]
Yeah. This is one of the major differences between a priest and a monk. Priests take vows of celibacy, whereas monks (and nuns) take vows of chastity. So technically a priest can still fuck if he wants to, he just can’t marry.
But nobody cares what words mean, which is why everyone uses the word decimate as if it meant “completely destroy”, when its actual meaning is “reduce the number (of people) by ten percent”. Even Merriam and fucking Webster pander to the ignorant masses with that one.
[/irrelevant tangent][/quote]
A word means what your audience thinks it means when you say it. Otherwise you are just babbling. We don’t speak Latin. In Englinsh, celibacy means refraining from sexual relations and marriage. You are suggesting that the Catholic Church explicitly condones its priests having unmarried sex and potentially homosexual sex. This is completely untrue (and the fact that one errant priest used this argument to defend his behavior doesn’t change that).
[/quote]
Englinsh, you say?
I think Humpty Dumpty was speaking Englinsh in Through the Looking Glass:
When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less”.
One would think that a priest taking a vow of celibacy would know just what he’s signing up for. A vow of celibacy is not the same as a vow of chastity. Ask any Catholic to explain the difference to you.
It is a rather curious phenomenon, to be sure. If enough people misuse a word, like decimate or celibate, the misused definition becomes, by default, the approved one, as even the dictionaries, which are supposed to be the arbiters of correct English (or Englinsh, if you prefer) usage, simply pander to the masses.[/quote]
Englinsh, the language spoken by people with fat fingers.
So you really think that the official position of the Catholic Church is that priests are allowed to have sex with anyone so long as they aren’t married to them? And you really think that is what the average Catholic person believes? Frankly, I feel you’re being disingenuous. In any case, you’re wrong.
I don’t have to ask a Catholic to explain it to me because it was already answered here: Catholic Answers
Etymologically it may be true that celibacy means abstaining from marriage. However, that definition arose in a time when not having sex outside of marriage was implied for a person of good social standing. The dictionary has simply preserved the context of the word, not changed the meaning.
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Not to be pedantic or anything, but you do realise that “celibate” does not mean “abstaining from sex”, right?
Celibacy is the state of abstaining from marriage, usually for religious reasons.
The word you are thinking of is “chastity”.
Carry on. [/quote]
Merriam-Webster disagrees with your contention.[/quote]
Merriam AND Webster can both suck my cock if they don’t understand Latin.
[/quote]
I was sitting in a deposition of a Priest when another lawyer asked about some nasty-ass posts he had on a gay/hookup chat room and after confirming he was sexually active he asked him why he was violating his vows of celibacy. And the Priest was quick to point out the exact same thing you did: “celibate just means I can’t get married to a woman.”
Then the lawyer asked, do your perishioners understand your definition of “celibacy”? And he shrugged and said, “well, its not something we really like to advertise.”
[/quote]
Yeah. This is one of the major differences between a priest and a monk. Priests take vows of celibacy, whereas monks (and nuns) take vows of chastity. So technically a priest can still fuck if he wants to, he just can’t marry.
But nobody cares what words mean, which is why everyone uses the word decimate as if it meant “completely destroy”, when its actual meaning is “reduce the number (of people) by ten percent”. Even Merriam and fucking Webster pander to the ignorant masses with that one.
[/irrelevant tangent][/quote]
A word means what your audience thinks it means when you say it. Otherwise you are just babbling. We don’t speak Latin. In Englinsh, celibacy means refraining from sexual relations and marriage. You are suggesting that the Catholic Church explicitly condones its priests having unmarried sex and potentially homosexual sex. This is completely untrue (and the fact that one errant priest used this argument to defend his behavior doesn’t change that).
[/quote]
Englinsh, you say?
I think Humpty Dumpty was speaking Englinsh in Through the Looking Glass:
When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less”.
One would think that a priest taking a vow of celibacy would know just what he’s signing up for. A vow of celibacy is not the same as a vow of chastity. Ask any Catholic to explain the difference to you.
It is a rather curious phenomenon, to be sure. If enough people misuse a word, like decimate or celibate, the misused definition becomes, by default, the approved one, as even the dictionaries, which are supposed to be the arbiters of correct English (or Englinsh, if you prefer) usage, simply pander to the masses.[/quote]
Englinsh, the language spoken by people with fat fingers.
So you really think that the official position of the Catholic Church is that priests are allowed to have sex with anyone so long as they aren’t married to them? And you really think that is what the average Catholic person believes? Frankly, I feel you’re being disingenuous. In any case, you’re wrong.
I don’t have to ask a Catholic to explain it to me because it was already answered here: Catholic Answers
Etymologically it may be true that celibacy means abstaining from marriage. However, that definition arose in a time when not having sex outside of marriage was implied for a person of good social standing. The dictionary has simply preserved the context of the word, not changed the meaning.
[/quote]
You are confusing legal marriage and marriage within the Catholic church. Marriage is one of the seven sacraments. Catholic priests are not allowed to receive the Sacrament of Matrimony and are therefore labeled as “celibate”. It is not a legal restraint against marriage, it is an order from the Vatican.
Yes. Under Catholic dogma, one should not partake in sexual acts outside of marriage, as that would be considered a sin. Catholic priests are supposed to be above all sins, but seeing how we are given free-will, man can be tempted toward evil. The priest continues to be celibate (cannot marry) but is also a sinner.
If you were raised in the Catholic Church, you would have been taught about the Seven Sacraments, at which point you would understand the actual meaning of celibacy. It is a Catholic construct and as such may not be common knowledge to those outside the religion. However, that does not change the meaning of the word as it is applied to Catholic priests.