[quote]SmilingPolitely wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]Silyak wrote:
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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
[quote]pushharder wrote:
[quote]Varqanir wrote:
Not to be pedantic or anything, but you do realise that “celibate” does not mean “abstaining from sex”, right?
Celibacy is the state of abstaining from marriage, usually for religious reasons.
The word you are thinking of is “chastity”.
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Merriam-Webster disagrees with your contention.[/quote]
Merriam AND Webster can both suck my cock if they don’t understand Latin.
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I was sitting in a deposition of a Priest when another lawyer asked about some nasty-ass posts he had on a gay/hookup chat room and after confirming he was sexually active he asked him why he was violating his vows of celibacy. And the Priest was quick to point out the exact same thing you did: “celibate just means I can’t get married to a woman.”
Then the lawyer asked, do your perishioners understand your definition of “celibacy”? And he shrugged and said, “well, its not something we really like to advertise.”
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Yeah. This is one of the major differences between a priest and a monk. Priests take vows of celibacy, whereas monks (and nuns) take vows of chastity. So technically a priest can still fuck if he wants to, he just can’t marry.
But nobody cares what words mean, which is why everyone uses the word decimate as if it meant “completely destroy”, when its actual meaning is “reduce the number (of people) by ten percent”. Even Merriam and fucking Webster pander to the ignorant masses with that one.
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A word means what your audience thinks it means when you say it. Otherwise you are just babbling. We don’t speak Latin. In Englinsh, celibacy means refraining from sexual relations and marriage. You are suggesting that the Catholic Church explicitly condones its priests having unmarried sex and potentially homosexual sex. This is completely untrue (and the fact that one errant priest used this argument to defend his behavior doesn’t change that).
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Englinsh, you say?
I think Humpty Dumpty was speaking Englinsh in Through the Looking Glass:
When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less”.
One would think that a priest taking a vow of celibacy would know just what he’s signing up for. A vow of celibacy is not the same as a vow of chastity. Ask any Catholic to explain the difference to you.
It is a rather curious phenomenon, to be sure. If enough people misuse a word, like decimate or celibate, the misused definition becomes, by default, the approved one, as even the dictionaries, which are supposed to be the arbiters of correct English (or Englinsh, if you prefer) usage, simply pander to the masses.[/quote]
Englinsh, the language spoken by people with fat fingers.
So you really think that the official position of the Catholic Church is that priests are allowed to have sex with anyone so long as they aren’t married to them? And you really think that is what the average Catholic person believes? Frankly, I feel you’re being disingenuous. In any case, you’re wrong.
I don’t have to ask a Catholic to explain it to me because it was already answered here: Catholic Answers
Etymologically it may be true that celibacy means abstaining from marriage. However, that definition arose in a time when not having sex outside of marriage was implied for a person of good social standing. The dictionary has simply preserved the context of the word, not changed the meaning.
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You are confusing legal marriage and marriage within the Catholic church. Marriage is one of the seven sacraments. Catholic priests are not allowed to receive the Sacrament of Matrimony and are therefore labeled as “celibate”. It is not a legal restraint against marriage, it is an order from the Vatican.
Yes. Under Catholic dogma, one should not partake in sexual acts outside of marriage, as that would be considered a sin. Catholic priests are supposed to be above all sins, but seeing how we are given free-will, man can be tempted toward evil. The priest continues to be celibate (cannot marry) but is also a sinner.
If you were raised in the Catholic Church, you would have been taught about the Seven Sacraments, at which point you would understand the actual meaning of celibacy. It is a Catholic construct and as such may not be common knowledge to those outside the religion. However, that does not change the meaning of the word as it is applied to Catholic priests.
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^^^^ This
