Celebrations in Gaza

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
It appears that they are so concerned with the afterlife that this current one has no value to them what-so-ever.

What “current one”? The one where they are oppressed and humiliated? The one where they’re crammed in open-air prisons? Where everyone has been terrorized by IDF raids as a child? Where every last one of them has lost a loved one because of the occupation? Where they have no food, water or prospects for the future?

You can be the most secular on the planet and, if the conditions are right, you will still consider sacrificing your pitiful existence for the sake of your community. It ain’t got much to do with afterlife in this case, as much as it is about the lack of a decent life down here.[/quote]

As usual Lixy you have ignored the role that islam plays in the circle of violence. Unlike the muslim Palestinians, the Christian Palestinians are not all hell bent on killing Jews. The muslims have no remorse about killing Jews and dragging the Christians into their bullshit. Because that is what the religion of islam teaches, violent predjudice towards Jews and Christians.

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[quote]Tokoya wrote:
Worshippers of Death:

A good read from the WSJ.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120450617910806563.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries

[/quote]

An interesting read but he doesn’t go far enough. The jihadists are playing this like a high stakes poker game where they are all in. Either they are going to win or Islam is going to have to be eradicated.

The problem we are facing is the thought of exterminating a billion people is repugnant to most of us, so we try to think of some other way we can resolve this, but in the final analysis a world without islam will be in humanities best interest.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
At some point in the very near future, the US is going to have to take the leash off Israel and allow them to do what needs to be done.

I see somebody is mistaken about who’s controlling whom.[/quote]

The U.S. has a very real influence on Israel and much of the ‘restraint’ Israel demonstrates is for this reason. You have any idea how much funding we give Israel. You better believe we dangle this carrot to control the harshness and severity of its response to fundamentalist attacks, suicide bombings, and military initiatives.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
I think they have 300 nukes, which makes the question irrelevant.

For now.

Evidently not to a billion or so Arabs.

But nice dodge.

Care to try again and actually give an answer worth reading?

That was not a dodge but a nuanced answer.

Yes Israel has a right to exist.

In some parts that belonged to Austria and Germany.

Which is not going to happen either.

Not as nuanced as you think. Actually not even close.

So, judging from your answers - or complete lack thereof - you do not believe Israel has a right to exist inside its current boundaries.

Would it also be safe to assume that you would prefer the Jew still be in Auschwitz, Sobibor, Treblinka, or something of the like?

[/quote]

You’re disgusting.
If a large number of Israelis would hypothetically seek refuge from an escalating conflict, you can bet your ass that Germany would take them in a heartbeat.
No brainer.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
You’re disgusting.
If a large number of Israelis would hypothetically seek refuge from an escalating conflict, you can bet your ass that Germany would take them in a heartbeat.
No brainer.
[/quote]

I’m not the one that killed about 6 million of them - that would be you. That’s what is disgusting.

Yeah - I can just see millions of Jews going back to a country that made every attempt to exterminate them.

Get serious - Austria and Germany would be the last place the Jews want to be.

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[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
I think they have 300 nukes, which makes the question irrelevant.

For now.

Evidently not to a billion or so Arabs.

But nice dodge.

Care to try again and actually give an answer worth reading?

That was not a dodge but a nuanced answer.

Yes Israel has a right to exist.

In some parts that belonged to Austria and Germany.

Which is not going to happen either.

Not as nuanced as you think. Actually not even close.

So, judging from your answers - or complete lack thereof - you do not believe Israel has a right to exist inside its current boundaries.

Would it also be safe to assume that you would prefer the Jew still be in Auschwitz, Sobibor, Treblinka, or something of the like?

I would not know why you assume that, since I am not the “Verminator”.

You are.

To answer your first question:

I do not know what bestows the right to exist on a nation if not the will of its citizens for it to exist and their ability to defend it.

Israel seems to be doing fine.

[/quote]

Still no answer. What are you hiding? It is a yes, or no question.

I have to assume since you are incapable of answering a yes or no question with either a yes or a no.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
You’re disgusting.
If a large number of Israelis would hypothetically seek refuge from an escalating conflict, you can bet your ass that Germany would take them in a heartbeat.
No brainer.

I’m not the one that killed about 6 million of them - that would be you. That’s what is disgusting.

Yeah - I can just see millions of Jews going back to a country that made every attempt to exterminate them.

Get serious - Austria and Germany would be the last place the Jews want to be. [/quote]

You’re sick!

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[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
You’re disgusting.
If a large number of Israelis would hypothetically seek refuge from an escalating conflict, you can bet your ass that Germany would take them in a heartbeat.
No brainer.

I’m not the one that killed about 6 million of them - that would be you. That’s what is disgusting.

Yeah - I can just see millions of Jews going back to a country that made every attempt to exterminate them.

Get serious - Austria and Germany would be the last place the Jews want to be.

You’re sick![/quote]

If I’m jew, the last place I want to be is where the motherfuckers exterminated a good number of my kinfolk.

What’s sick about that?

Oh - you want to exterminate them yourself? Not really yourself, seeing as you are a yellow-bellied coward - but rather by your terrorist brothers in the ME. I am sure, however, that you will be taking credit for every death.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
You’re disgusting.
If a large number of Israelis would hypothetically seek refuge from an escalating conflict, you can bet your ass that Germany would take them in a heartbeat.
No brainer.

I’m not the one that killed about 6 million of them - that would be you. That’s what is disgusting.

Yeah - I can just see millions of Jews going back to a country that made every attempt to exterminate them.

Get serious - Austria and Germany would be the last place the Jews want to be.

You’re sick!

If I’m jew, the last place I want to be is where the motherfuckers exterminated a good number of my kinfolk.

What’s sick about that?

Oh - you want to exterminate them yourself? Not really yourself, seeing as you are a yellow-bellied coward - but rather by your terrorist brothers in the ME. I am sure, however, that you will be taking credit for every death.

[/quote]

Trying to find someone to divert the attention from your nazi rethoric admiring ways?

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[quote]lixy wrote:
rainjack wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
You’re disgusting.
If a large number of Israelis would hypothetically seek refuge from an escalating conflict, you can bet your ass that Germany would take them in a heartbeat.
No brainer.

I’m not the one that killed about 6 million of them - that would be you. That’s what is disgusting.

Yeah - I can just see millions of Jews going back to a country that made every attempt to exterminate them.

Get serious - Austria and Germany would be the last place the Jews want to be.

You’re sick![/quote]

No, just a closet Nazi admirer!

Vermin, final solution , goosebumps, you know?

Links, zwo, drei, vier, all the goose stepping and saluting, he is aroused (sexually) you know?

Blind, pure , unquestioned power?

A narcissistic Nirvana!

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:
orion wrote:
I think they have 300 nukes, which makes the question irrelevant.

For now.

Evidently not to a billion or so Arabs.

But nice dodge.

Care to try again and actually give an answer worth reading?

That was not a dodge but a nuanced answer.

Yes Israel has a right to exist.

In some parts that belonged to Austria and Germany.

Which is not going to happen either.

Not as nuanced as you think. Actually not even close.

So, judging from your answers - or complete lack thereof - you do not believe Israel has a right to exist inside its current boundaries.

Would it also be safe to assume that you would prefer the Jew still be in Auschwitz, Sobibor, Treblinka, or something of the like?

I would not know why you assume that, since I am not the “Verminator”.

You are.

To answer your first question:

I do not know what bestows the right to exist on a nation if not the will of its citizens for it to exist and their ability to defend it.

Israel seems to be doing fine.

Still no answer. What are you hiding? It is a yes, or no question.

I have to assume since you are incapable of answering a yes or no question with either a yes or a no.

[/quote]

No. They have no right to exist whatsoever.

Just like any of the 99.9 percent of species that were wiped out, just like 99.9 percent of nations that are gone, they have no right, but the privilege to exist.

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I’ve seen through the rhetoric of that creature now.

You make argument A

His basic answer combination is:
libel, followed by something completely irritating, like a basic fallacy B, then some more libel.

If you ignore him, he’ll troll-by again, like a blowfly.

If you answer this FOX-spawn, you face a dilemma:
You can explain him why B is totally wrong etc, which only leads to more libel and letting the discussion drift away completely.
Because his next “argument” will be something similar, completely ignoring your explanation while the insults build up exponentially.

If you insist on A, he proceeds with insults and will tell you how he “owned” you with B,

Explaining A & B at the same time is impossible, since he’s barely capable of engaging one argument.

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[quote]orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:

But what does hitler have to do with Gaza? You create an argument completely unrelated to the debate, and attack - completely ignoring the subject at hand.

That is a straw man.

Thank you for playing. Now run along.

He has everything to do with it.

His tactic of de-humanizing perceived opponents to justify a sort of “cleansing” of “vermin” is exactly what you are doing.

“Dehumanization is the psychological process of demonizing the enemy, making them seem less than human and hence not worthy of humane treatment. This can lead to increased violence, human rights violations, war crimes, and genocide.”

“Jews in the eyes of Nazis and Tutsis in the eyes of Hutus (in the Rwandan genocide) are but two examples.”

In case of Palestinians you are playing the exact same tune and you are wrong, as the examples above were.

[/quote]

So when we see pictures with Palestinians babies wearing bomb-vests next to AK-47s, or launching rockets, or putting out Jew hatred in children’s cartoons like the latest co-opting of Mickey Mouse for antisemitic purposes, we’re supposed to just assume that the poor, innocent Palestinians just want a normal life like everyone else, right?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/PalestinianChildAbuse/

We’re just supposed to accept from the Muslims and the Left that the paranoia and Jew-hatred in the Qur’an has nothing to do with the attitudes of the Arab Palestinians towards Israel one way or the other and that the cause of this entire thing is Israeli mistreatment of the poor Arabs living in Palestine, left over from their jihad 1200 years earlier. Surah 9:29 couldn’t possibly be influencing this “cycle of violence” at all, could it?

Mein Kampf, translated to Arabic, is a bestseller in the Palestinian territories, but the Jews are the real Nazis, right?

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:

Mein Kampf, translated to Arabic, is a bestseller in the Palestinian territories, but the Jews are the real Nazis, right?
[/quote]

No - just those that adamantly support Israel kicking the shit out of the Palestinians/Syrians/Iranians/Saudis.

It’s just hilarious that an Austrian and a German are calling others nazis.

Their charges are about as misplaced as the statement that Jews would be welcome in Germany.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
I’ve seen through the rhetoric of that creature now.

You make argument A

His basic answer combination is:
libel, followed by something completely irritating, like a basic fallacy B, then some more libel.

If you ignore him, he’ll troll-by again, like a blowfly.

If you answer this FOX-spawn, you face a dilemma:
You can explain him why B is totally wrong etc, which only leads to more libel and letting the discussion drift away completely.
Because his next “argument” will be something similar, completely ignoring your explanation while the insults build up exponentially.

If you insist on A, he proceeds with insults and will tell you how he “owned” you with B,

Explaining A & B at the same time is impossible, since he’s barely capable of engaging one argument.

[/quote]

I never use the word owned, dicklick.

Do you guys sit around and think about straw men? What in fuck’s name does Fox have to do with anything?

I don’t troll - that’s lixy’s, and Orion’s domain.

Do you enjoy the fit of the cheerleader’s dress? Or do you just like waaving pom pom’s?

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No one said jews are nazis.
Since when do you have to allocate at least one “nazi-title”?

The problem lies with the UN and (shame on us) EU who fed the palestinian children, bought them an education and medical care. Of course, potential jobs for the grown ups aren’t included, sorry!
Families with seven or eight children are quite common. Palestine’s youth bulge is tremendous.
If there will be peace with Israel, they will kill themselves instead.

Ah, the irony of thinking that doing good can be achieved through some banking transactions…

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
orion wrote:
rainjack wrote:

But what does hitler have to do with Gaza? You create an argument completely unrelated to the debate, and attack - completely ignoring the subject at hand.

That is a straw man.

Thank you for playing. Now run along.

He has everything to do with it.

His tactic of de-humanizing perceived opponents to justify a sort of “cleansing” of “vermin” is exactly what you are doing.

“Dehumanization is the psychological process of demonizing the enemy, making them seem less than human and hence not worthy of humane treatment. This can lead to increased violence, human rights violations, war crimes, and genocide.”

“Jews in the eyes of Nazis and Tutsis in the eyes of Hutus (in the Rwandan genocide) are but two examples.”

In case of Palestinians you are playing the exact same tune and you are wrong, as the examples above were.

So when we see pictures with Palestinians babies wearing bomb-vests next to AK-47s, or launching rockets, or putting out Jew hatred in children’s cartoons like the latest co-opting of Mickey Mouse for antisemitic purposes, we’re supposed to just assume that the poor, innocent Palestinians just want a normal life like everyone else, right?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/PalestinianChildAbuse/

We’re just supposed to accept from the Muslims and the Left that the paranoia and Jew-hatred in the Qur’an has nothing to do with the attitudes of the Arab Palestinians towards Israel one way or the other and that the cause of this entire thing is Israeli mistreatment of the poor Arabs living in Palestine, left over from their jihad 1200 years earlier. Surah 9:29 couldn’t possibly be influencing this “cycle of violence” at all, could it?

Mein Kampf, translated to Arabic, is a bestseller in the Palestinian territories, but the Jews are the real Nazis, right?

[/quote]

If you could explain to me how you infer that from my post I´d be downright ecstatic!

If it somehow adds up to:

“The Palestinians do it too!”

I can only say that being smarter than your opponents is nothing to be ashamed of.

Shalom!

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
Schwarzfahrer wrote:
I’ve seen through the rhetoric of that creature now.

You make argument A

His basic answer combination is:
libel, followed by something completely irritating, like a basic fallacy B, then some more libel.

If you ignore him, he’ll troll-by again, like a blowfly.

If you answer this FOX-spawn, you face a dilemma:
You can explain him why B is totally wrong etc, which only leads to more libel and letting the discussion drift away completely.
Because his next “argument” will be something similar, completely ignoring your explanation while the insults build up exponentially.

If you insist on A, he proceeds with insults and will tell you how he “owned” you with B,

Explaining A & B at the same time is impossible, since he’s barely capable of engaging one argument.

I never use the word owned, dicklick.

Do you guys sit around and think about straw men? What in fuck’s name does Fox have to do with anything?

I don’t troll - that’s lixy’s, and Orion’s domain.

Do you enjoy the fit of the cheerleader’s dress? Or do you just like waaving pom pom’s?

[/quote]

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A muslim gal speaking her mind against Islamists. Very impressive.