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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Just a correction to dmaddox:

Col 1:16 DOES NOT say “BY him and for him.” It says “THROUGH him and for him.”

Rev 3:14 - It does have to do with Jesus

“And to the angel of the congregation in Laodicea write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,”

King James even says by him and for him. Hmmmmm. Again my suspicions have been confirmed. The Jehovah’s Witnesses have made their own Translation to confirm their beliefs.

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Looks like we have a bunch of discrepencies in translations guys. You might want to go to the King James Version the original version used by the Jehovahs Witnesses. At least we would be playing with the same book.
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http://bible.cc/colossians/1-16.htm[/quote]

NIV and King James both say for him and by him. Do you know the group that does that webpage? I have looked through it a couple of times, and when it comes up I go to the other one. The most used translations are the King James and New International Version of the Bible by Protestants. I can not speak for Catholics because I have only one version of the Catholic Bible, and can not remember the version. Got another one there big guy?[/quote]

Out of the 17 translations on the website, 7 said “by him and for him” and 10 said “through him and for him.”

Why are we wrong? Because the ones you use say “by him?” More agree with ours.[/quote]

I wish it more agreed with yours. Your translation just changes everything to twist the truth. Now I understand why we are so far off from each other. Our bible came from the early church, and your bible came from who knows where.

Again I love how your translation changes the meaning of John 10:33. The Bible.cc shows that all 17 translations show that the Jews beleived Jesus to have claimed to be God. As I stated above, the Jews are Monotheistic so by Jesus claiming to be a god, as your translation says, would not have caused them to want to kill him. They would have just thrown him out of town, and everyone would stop listening to him. They actually beleive that Jesus claimed to be Yahweh. You can not refute this verse in your old try and twist the story way. Look at these other translations, well the greek says this. This verse in John 10:33 shows that even if Jesus stated he was the Son of God, Son of Man, or what ever you say. The Jews beleived those words to mean that Jesus is claiming he is Yahweh, Jehovah, I AM, and God. By saying he is not God you are denying his divinity, and everything he did for all of us.

If you are willing to repent and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ please talk with God. He forgives all sins, and will give you the Heavenly Hope you so long for. God wants you to be with him in Truth.

You do not care for what I say, but may God Bless you two, and open your hearts to the truth.[/quote]

You assume, in this one instance, because it fits your “rule” that the Jews were right. How can you say we twist things when you are doing this? THEY REJECTED HIM AS THE MESSIAH! BUT at the same time, Jesus MUST be God, because the Jews, WHO REJECTED JESUS AS THE MESSIAH say he was.

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[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Just a correction to dmaddox:

Col 1:16 DOES NOT say “BY him and for him.” It says “THROUGH him and for him.”

Rev 3:14 - It does have to do with Jesus

“And to the angel of the congregation in Laodicea write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,”

King James even says by him and for him. Hmmmmm. Again my suspicions have been confirmed. The Jehovah’s Witnesses have made their own Translation to confirm their beliefs.

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Looks like we have a bunch of discrepencies in translations guys. You might want to go to the King James Version the original version used by the Jehovahs Witnesses. At least we would be playing with the same book.
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http://bible.cc/colossians/1-16.htm[/quote]

NIV and King James both say for him and by him. Do you know the group that does that webpage? I have looked through it a couple of times, and when it comes up I go to the other one. The most used translations are the King James and New International Version of the Bible by Protestants. I can not speak for Catholics because I have only one version of the Catholic Bible, and can not remember the version. Got another one there big guy?[/quote]

Out of the 17 translations on the website, 7 said “by him and for him” and 10 said “through him and for him.”

Why are we wrong? Because the ones you use say “by him?” More agree with ours.[/quote]

I wish it more agreed with yours. Your translation just changes everything to twist the truth. Now I understand why we are so far off from each other. Our bible came from the early church, and your bible came from who knows where.

Again I love how your translation changes the meaning of John 10:33. The Bible.cc shows that all 17 translations show that the Jews beleived Jesus to have claimed to be God. As I stated above, the Jews are Monotheistic so by Jesus claiming to be a god, as your translation says, would not have caused them to want to kill him. They would have just thrown him out of town, and everyone would stop listening to him. They actually beleive that Jesus claimed to be Yahweh. You can not refute this verse in your old try and twist the story way. Look at these other translations, well the greek says this. This verse in John 10:33 shows that even if Jesus stated he was the Son of God, Son of Man, or what ever you say. The Jews beleived those words to mean that Jesus is claiming he is Yahweh, Jehovah, I AM, and God. By saying he is not God you are denying his divinity, and everything he did for all of us.

If you are willing to repent and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ please talk with God. He forgives all sins, and will give you the Heavenly Hope you so long for. God wants you to be with him in Truth.

You do not care for what I say, but may God Bless you two, and open your hearts to the truth.[/quote]

You assume, in this one instance, because it fits your “rule” that the Jews were right. How can you say we twist things when you are doing this? THEY REJECTED HIM AS THE MESSIAH! BUT at the same time, Jesus MUST be God, because the Jews, WHO REJECTED JESUS AS THE MESSIAH say he was. [/quote]
The Pharisees in many instances and Sadducees both recognized that Jesus was claiming to be Messaiah and God hence the multiple times the pharisees tried to stone him. If Jesus wasn’t claiming to be God and the Pharisees mistook what Jesus was saying, wouldn’t you think Jesus would make it clear to them that he isn’t God when they began to pick up their stones as per the example in John 8. Instead Jesus made sure the pharisees understood that he was claiming he was God by saying “Before Aberham was I AM”.

If Jesus wasn’t claiming he was God, he would of sought to correct the pharisees misunderstanding of what he was claiming to be. If he was claiming to be God he wouldn’t have to correct Pharisees understanding of what he was claiming. Which is exactly what Jesus did in that lengthy discussion between the pharisees and him in John 8 with each response solidifying in the mind of the pharisees that Jesus was claiming to be God.

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John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Until you can give a better answer than just “there’s supposta be an ‘a’ in there”, there is no greater answer to the question of wether God and The Son are the same than these two passages.

He was not created. He was with God in the beginning-before creation, since all things were created through Him and without Him, NOTHING WAS MADE that has been made. And since He is essential to ALL things created, He would have to have been present BEFORE he was created. As such a thing is not possible, the ONLY possibility is that He ALWAYS HAS BEEN, just as God ALWAYS HAS BEEN.

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[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You still have not commented on John 10:33. The Jews beleive he is stating he is God and you don’t. Why is that?[/quote]

Did the Jews believe he was the Messiah?[/quote]

You make the decision. He entered into Jerusalem on a colt and they laid branches and their coats at his feet. Triumphant Entry as any conquering hero would receive. The thing was Jesus did not come to reign as their King, just yet. He came to be a sacrifice for their sins, and Jesus knew that. How could he know his purpose if he is not God. Only God knows the plan for all of us. An angel would not even know it. Jesus did.

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:
You still have not commented on John 10:33. The Jews beleive he is stating he is God and you don’t. Why is that?[/quote]

Did the Jews believe he was the Messiah?[/quote]

You make the decision. He entered into Jerusalem on a colt and they laid branches and their coats at his feet. Triumphant Entry as any conquering hero would receive. The thing was Jesus did not come to reign as their King, just yet. He came to be a sacrifice for their sins, and Jesus knew that. How could he know his purpose if he is not God. Only God knows the plan for all of us. An angel would not even know it. Jesus did.[/quote]

Jesus didn’t know when the conclusion of the systems would be. What does that make him now?

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[quote]cueball wrote:
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Until you can give a better answer than just “there’s supposta be an ‘a’ in there”, there is no greater answer to the question of wether God and The Son are the same than these two passages.

He was not created. He was with God in the beginning-before creation, since all things were created through Him and without Him, NOTHING WAS MADE that has been made. And since He is essential to ALL things created, He would have to have been present BEFORE he was created. As such a thing is not possible, the ONLY possibility is that He ALWAYS HAS BEEN, just as God ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
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Please give your commentary on Col 1:15

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation”

How can you reconcile “He was not created” with “the firstborn of all creation”. I have to understand that.

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Please read 4 verses down from what you are using:

John 1:18

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god who is in the bosom position with the Father is the one that has explained him.”

Please explain that one to me as well.

And just to show you that we are not the only translation used here…

http://bible.cc/john/1-18.htm

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[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Please read 4 verses down from what you are using:

John 1:18

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god who is in the bosom position with the Father is the one that has explained him.”

Please explain that one to me as well.

And just to show you that we are not the only translation used here…

http://bible.cc/john/1-18.htm[/quote]

Who are you talking to? Why dont you understand that Jesus is God. Your Book is different from the Bible. You are now barking up the wrong tree for now on.

Praise be to God, and I will lay my crowns at the feet of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ. I might be a co-ruler, but Jesus will always be my King. The King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Emanuel, God with us. Praise again to my God and Savior Jesus Christ. Who was and is and is to come. His Kindom will reign for ever in Heaven and on Earth. Praises and Worship to the Lord Most High. Praises to I AM.

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[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Until you can give a better answer than just “there’s supposta be an ‘a’ in there”, there is no greater answer to the question of wether God and The Son are the same than these two passages.

He was not created. He was with God in the beginning-before creation, since all things were created through Him and without Him, NOTHING WAS MADE that has been made. And since He is essential to ALL things created, He would have to have been present BEFORE he was created. As such a thing is not possible, the ONLY possibility is that He ALWAYS HAS BEEN, just as God ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
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Please give your commentary on Col 1:15

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation”

How can you reconcile “He was not created” with “the firstborn of all creation”. I have to understand that.
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I will reconcile with the second half of verse 18.

“he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead.”

Here He is being described as TWO things at once. Not only THE BEGINNING, but also the “firstborn from among the dead”. I believe this is referring to the Word, as well as the flesh the Word became that would later die for our sins.

17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

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[quote]cueball wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]cueball wrote:
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

Until you can give a better answer than just “there’s supposta be an ‘a’ in there”, there is no greater answer to the question of wether God and The Son are the same than these two passages.

He was not created. He was with God in the beginning-before creation, since all things were created through Him and without Him, NOTHING WAS MADE that has been made. And since He is essential to ALL things created, He would have to have been present BEFORE he was created. As such a thing is not possible, the ONLY possibility is that He ALWAYS HAS BEEN, just as God ALWAYS HAS BEEN.
[/quote]
Please give your commentary on Col 1:15

“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation”

How can you reconcile “He was not created” with “the firstborn of all creation”. I have to understand that.
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I will reconcile with the second half of verse 18.

“he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead.”

Here He is being described as TWO things at once. Not only THE BEGINNING, but also the “firstborn from among the dead”. I believe this is referring to the Word, as well as the flesh the Word became that would later die for our sins.

17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
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That is describing an entirely different point, and I am pretty sure you knew that. He was the first person raised from dead, as in confirmed 1 Cor 15:20

“However, now Christ has been raised up from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep in death”

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[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Please read 4 verses down from what you are using:

John 1:18

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god who is in the bosom position with the Father is the one that has explained him.”

Please explain that one to me as well.

And just to show you that we are not the only translation used here…

http://bible.cc/john/1-18.htm[/quote]

Who are you talking to? Why dont you understand that Jesus is God. Your Book is different from the Bible. You are now barking up the wrong tree for now on.

Praise be to God, and I will lay my crowns at the feet of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ. I might be a co-ruler, but Jesus will always be my King. The King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Emanuel, God with us. Praise again to my God and Savior Jesus Christ. Who was and is and is to come. His Kindom will reign for ever in Heaven and on Earth. Praises and Worship to the Lord Most High. Praises to I AM. [/quote]

Praise goes to Jehovah the Almighty God.

Romans 10:13
“For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” Notice that it didn’t say "For everyone who calls on the name of Jesus will be saved. It is good to show honor to Jesus, however, that will not lead to salvation; Salvation is through Jehovah.

Your Bible will most likely use “LORD”. So that begs the question, why was God’s name removed from the Bible so others will not know about it? We NEED to know it.

http://bible.cc/romans/10-13.htm

God makes very clear who He is and what His position is.

Psalms 83:18

“That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.”

http://bible.cc/psalms/83-18.htm

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[quote]cueball wrote:
mse2us,

You seem to be missing the fact that it was Jesus as a man who states the Father is greater than I am. He was being humble. Of course the Father would be greater than Him at the time. The Father was not bound by flesh as he was.[/quote]
No I’m not missing that fact. Since Trinitarians accept the fact that the Trinity teaching can’t be explained and supposedly beyond human comprehension, I know that you all believe that Jesus is God in the flesh while on earth yet at the same time is in heaven as the spirit God. So that means as Jesus is God in the flesh on earth he is lying when he makes statements that the “Father is greater than I am,” that he doesn’t have the permission to grant who will sit at his right and left hand in his Kingdom, and when he states at Matthew 24:36 that not even he knows when armegeddon will come but only God knows. That doesn’t make since, but sadly you all accept the fact that the Trinity does not make sense and can’t be explained.

Cueball I will show you clearly Jesus’ relationship with God before he came to earth and when he went back to heaven.

At John 17:5 Jesus states:
“So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.”

Before the world was where was Jesus? At God’s side. The verse DOES NOT state: “So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had as YOU before the world was.”’
If the verse was worded like that then I could see you believing that Jesus is God while on earth, but Cueball it does not state that.

Luke 22:67-69 states:
“If you are the Christ, tell us.” But he said to them: "Even if I told YOU, YOU would not believe it at all. 68 Moreover, if I questioned YOU, YOU would not answer at all. 69 However, from now on the Son of man will be sitting at the powerful right hand of God.
Did Jesus state that you would see him as God? No. Where did Jesus say he would be sitting? At the RIGHT HAND OF God.

Acts 2:34 states:
“This Jesus God resurrected, of which fact we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore because he was EXALTED TO THE RIGHT HAND of God and received the promised holy spirit from the Father, he has poured out this which YOU see and hear.”

Was he exalted back to being God? No, he was exalted to the RIGHT HAND OF GOD.

When Stephen was being stoned in Acts and he saw a vision of heaven, what did he see? Let’s read. Act 7:55-57 states:
"But he, being full of holy spirit, gazed into heaven and caught sight of Godâ??s glory and of Jesus standing at Godâ??s right hand, 56 and he said: “Look! I behold the heavens opened up and the Son of man standing at Godâ??s right hand.”

Did Stephen state that he saw Jesus as God or three beings in one? No, he distinguishes between God and Jesus and states that Jesus is at God’s right hand.

Romans 8:34 states:
“34 Who is he that will condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died, yes, rather the one who was raised up from the dead, who is ON THE RIGHT HAND of God, who also pleads for us.”

Does Paul state that he was raised up and is now God? No, he states that he is ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD. Paul distinguishes between the two.

Colossians 3:1 states:
“If, however, you were raised up with the Christ, go on seeking the things above, where the Christ is SEATED AT THE RIGHT HAND of God.”

Does Paul state that Christ is seated in God’s throne or is God? No, he states that he is at the RIGHT HAND OF GOD. Again, Paul distinguishes between the two.

Hebrews 1:1-3 states:
“God, who long ago spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets, 2 has at the end of these days spoken to us by means of a Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the systems of things. 3 He is the reflection of his glory and the exact representation of his very being, and he sustains all things by the word of his power; and after he had made a purification for our sins he sat down on the right hand of the Majesty in lofty places.”

Paul said that God THROUGH JESUS made the system of things and that Jesus is the REFLECTION OF God’s GLORY AND EXACT REPRESENTATION OF HIS VERY BEING. Where did he sit down at? GOD’S RIGHT HAND. Dmaddox, can you see how Jesus could make the statement that He and God is ONE and that “He who has seen the son has seen the Father?”

One more scripture for emphasize:)
Hebrews 10:13 states:
“But this man offered one sacrifice for sins perpetually and SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD,”

How many scriptures is that? Eight I think. There are even more scriptures that state Jesus is at God’s right. For emphasize, Jesus said that before he came to earth he was at God’s side (John 17:5). When he was on earth he said when he goes back to heaven he will be at God’s RIGHT HAND (Luke 22:69). Once he went back to heaven he was at God’s RIGHT HAND (Act 7:57). Sadly, I know you will still reject these scriptures instead of adjusting your thinking.

Dmaddox, Cueball, I’ve answered your questions as much as I could. When I answered them I used multiple scriptures and detail to explain why the scripture you used do not mean Jesus is God and that they mean something else. Now can you do the same with the scriptures I used above? Can you show scriptures that state Jesus being at God’s right, which denotes a lesser position, means that he is God? Or can you show me other scriptures that clarify or explain what the above scriptures mean or that they have another meaning? If you can please do so.

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[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Please read 4 verses down from what you are using:

John 1:18

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god who is in the bosom position with the Father is the one that has explained him.”

Please explain that one to me as well.

And just to show you that we are not the only translation used here…

http://bible.cc/john/1-18.htm[/quote]

Who are you talking to? Why dont you understand that Jesus is God. Your Book is different from the Bible. You are now barking up the wrong tree for now on.

Praise be to God, and I will lay my crowns at the feet of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ. I might be a co-ruler, but Jesus will always be my King. The King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Emanuel, God with us. Praise again to my God and Savior Jesus Christ. Who was and is and is to come. His Kindom will reign for ever in Heaven and on Earth. Praises and Worship to the Lord Most High. Praises to I AM. [/quote]

Praise goes to Jehovah the Almighty God.

Romans 10:13
“For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” Notice that it didn’t say "For everyone who calls on the name of Jesus will be saved. It is good to show honor to Jesus, however, that will not lead to salvation; Salvation is through Jehovah.

Your Bible will most likely use “LORD”. So that begs the question, why was God’s name removed from the Bible so others will not know about it? We NEED to know it.

http://bible.cc/romans/10-13.htm

God makes very clear who He is and what His position is.

Psalms 83:18

“That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.”

http://bible.cc/psalms/83-18.htm

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Acts 4:10-12 “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” How do you JWs resolve this conflict while we don’t have a conflict with this verse.

By the way if you really want to be picky about the name of the Lord you shouldn’t be spelling it or pronouncing it Jehovah as there was no J sound in the Hebrew language but instead was pronounced with a Y sound.

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[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Please read 4 verses down from what you are using:

John 1:18

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god who is in the bosom position with the Father is the one that has explained him.”

Please explain that one to me as well.

And just to show you that we are not the only translation used here…

http://bible.cc/john/1-18.htm[/quote]

Who are you talking to? Why dont you understand that Jesus is God. Your Book is different from the Bible. You are now barking up the wrong tree for now on.

Praise be to God, and I will lay my crowns at the feet of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ. I might be a co-ruler, but Jesus will always be my King. The King of Kings and Lord of Lords. Emanuel, God with us. Praise again to my God and Savior Jesus Christ. Who was and is and is to come. His Kindom will reign for ever in Heaven and on Earth. Praises and Worship to the Lord Most High. Praises to I AM. [/quote]

Praise goes to Jehovah the Almighty God.

Romans 10:13
“For everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” Notice that it didn’t say "For everyone who calls on the name of Jesus will be saved. It is good to show honor to Jesus, however, that will not lead to salvation; Salvation is through Jehovah.

Your Bible will most likely use “LORD”. So that begs the question, why was God’s name removed from the Bible so others will not know about it? We NEED to know it.

http://bible.cc/romans/10-13.htm

God makes very clear who He is and what His position is.

Psalms 83:18

“That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.”

http://bible.cc/psalms/83-18.htm

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Acts 4:10-12 “Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” How do you JWs resolve this conflict while we don’t have a conflict with this verse.

By the way if you really want to be picky about the name of the Lord you shouldn’t be spelling it or pronouncing it Jehovah as there was no J sound in the Hebrew language but instead was pronounced with a Y sound.[/quote]

You should have conflict. That verse stated that Jesus was raised from the dead by God. So how can God, who is dead(under your statement that Jesus is God), raise himself from the dead? I would say that deserves some resolution.

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[quote]honest_lifter wrote:
Please read 4 verses down from what you are using:

John 1:18

“No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten god who is in the bosom position with the Father is the one that has explained him.”

Please explain that one to me as well.

And just to show you that we are not the only translation used here…

http://bible.cc/john/1-18.htm[/quote]

Someone want to try explaining this one to me?

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John 10:18 “No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”
John 2:19-21 “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.”

He has the power to take his life up even though he is dead because he is God, but the conflict you face is that you say everyone who calls on the name of YHVH will be saved yet in acts it says that there is no other name given under heaven which men might be saved and that is name of Jesus or Yeshua(who he is, is more important than what people call him by because he knows whom they refer to.)

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[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
John 10:18 “No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”
John 2:19-21 “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.”

He has the power to take his life up even though he is dead because he is God, but the conflict you face is that you say everyone who calls on the name of YHVH will be saved yet in acts it says that there is no other name given under heaven which men might be saved and that is name of Jesus or Yeshua(who he is, is more important than what people call him by because he knows whom they refer to.)[/quote]

So you are saying God died, right?

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Jesus referring to his body as a temple that is going to be destroyed and him raising it up again answers your question about the nature of his death, I see you keep on asking me questions yet won’t answer mine.

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[quote]JoabSonOfZeruiah wrote:
Jesus referring to his body as a temple that is going to be destroyed and him raising it up again answers your question about the nature of his death, I see you keep on asking me questions yet won’t answer mine.[/quote]

What was your question?

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Now that we have established that Jesus is God, every question you have asked has been answered. Pick up a real Bible and read it.

You do not think that God can overcome Death? You really need to repent and ask your God and Savior Jesus Christ for salvation.