It’s true you know. Merry Christmas/happy Hanukkah PWI.
From me as well
I hope everyone enjoys their christmas, and all of the pagan traditions that go along with it.
[quote]SexMachine wrote:
It’s true you know.[/quote]
Not exactly…
Go Jesus.
CS
My friend is at Jesus College in Cambridge. every year someone rings up the college and goes ‘is that Jesus? Happy birthday to you…’
Merry Christmas PWI you loveable rogues.
Merry Christmas!
A good jul to you PWI guys 
The north-wesst-europeen christmass/juls is perhaps one of the best examples of a syncretism between pagan germanic traditions and christian traditions.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
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O Holy Night by Wayne Bergeron is better imho.
Celtic Woman is flat down AWESOME!!!
Unbelievably magnificent Christmas song. Really. (ignore the video) The Final Word - Michael Card - YouTube
The mighty 53rd chapter of the prophet Isaiah:
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1-Who has believed our message?
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?
2-For He grew up before Him like a tender shoot,
And like a root out of parched ground;
He has no stately form or majesty
That we should look upon Him,
Nor appearance that we should be attracted to Him.
3-He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him.
4-Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5-But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6-All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
7-He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
8-By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
9-His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
10-But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
11-As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities.
12-Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
And He will divide the booty with the strong;
Because He poured out Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors.[/quote]
[quote]Makavali wrote:<<< O Holy Night by Wayne Bergeron is better imho.[/quote]Very good mac. I love good trumpet(and sax). merry Christmas to you too. If you were here I’d shake your hand.
I don’t really get the intent of this thread? Is it to prove that Christmas is Christian?
Anyhow, a few thoughts come to my mind at this time of year…
A personal question (more-so a conscience thing): Do any Christians out there feel “guilty” at Christmas and feel that things are a little “off”? Apart from the irony of atheists celebrating and making a big deal out of it, do you not feel it’s kind of shallow? More about Santa, snowmen, women dressing up in skimpy “Mrs Claus” outfits, decorations, stress, money, pretence of “kindness”, child bribery etc?
Then there’s the Christian principles - Jesus and his disciples taught humility/modesty, being content, a lack of materialism, not being “showy” (displaying ones means of life), soundness of mind (e.g. being sober). Basically, what the early Christians used to be like. It seems that, even ignoring the pagan origins that people claim Christmas has, Christmas breaks many of these principles?
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
I don’t really get the intent of this thread? Is it to prove that Christmas is Christian?
Anyhow, a few thoughts come to my mind at this time of year…
A personal question (more-so a conscience thing): Do any Christians out there feel “guilty” at Christmas and feel that things are a little “off”? Apart from the irony of atheists celebrating and making a big deal out of it, do you not feel it’s kind of shallow? More about Santa, snowmen, women dressing up in skimpy “Mrs Claus” outfits, decorations, stress, money, pretence of “kindness”, child bribery etc?[/quote]
Why would WE feel guilty about it? I attended a beautiful mass, listened to wonderful Christmas music, and got together with friends and family to celebrate an awe-inspiring event in our faith.
Christmas doesn’t break any principles for the Christian man or woman. I suppose if you’re a drunkard, fighting over air jordans in a store…But you probably then have bigger issues than honoring the intended object of Christmas (Christ’s birth).
[quote]its_just_me wrote:
I don’t really get the intent of this thread? Is it to prove that Christmas is Christian?
Anyhow, a few thoughts come to my mind at this time of year…
A personal question (more-so a conscience thing): Do any Christians out there feel “guilty” at Christmas and feel that things are a little “off”? Apart from the irony of atheists celebrating and making a big deal out of it, do you not feel it’s kind of shallow? More about Santa, snowmen, women dressing up in skimpy “Mrs Claus” outfits, decorations, stress, money, pretence of “kindness”, child bribery etc?
Then there’s the Christian principles - Jesus and his disciples taught humility/modesty, being content, a lack of materialism, not being “showy” (displaying ones means of life), soundness of mind (e.g. being sober). Basically, what the early Christians used to be like. It seems that, even ignoring the pagan origins that people claim Christmas has, Christmas breaks many of these principles?[/quote]
I just think its funny how Christmas is a celebration of Jesus birth yet the date of his birth is nowhere to be found in the Bible
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
I just think its funny how Christmas is a celebration of Jesus birth yet the date of his birth is nowhere to be found in the Bible[/quote]
But his birth is found…Hence, “a celebration of Jesus birth.”
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]Blackaggar wrote:
I just think its funny how Christmas is a celebration of Jesus birth yet the date of his birth is nowhere to be found in the Bible[/quote]
But his birth is found…Hence, “a celebration of Jesus birth.”
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What I mean is in the Bible there is a specific date to his death which can be traced to this day, its usually sometime in the spring if i remember right
There is no such thing though for his birth