Inalienable rights exist? Please demonstrate that they do.[/quote]
Says the guy who believes in the value of human life without the first inkling of a demonstration.[/quote]
So what? I already said I can’t. If he is asserting that inalienable rights exist and doesn’t just personally believe it, he must demonstrate that they do.
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Why should he, if you don’t. Unless you are now claiming that human life has only the relative value each person assigns to it. In which case you can’t claim human life has value, merely that you feel like it does in your opinion. Which is to say, you cannot fault someone for disagreeing and not living by your personal unsupported opinion.[/quote]
If he wants to assert it as fact he must prove it. I’m not asserting it as fact.
Inalienable rights exist? Please demonstrate that they do.[/quote]
Says the guy who believes in the value of human life without the first inkling of a demonstration.[/quote]
So what? I already said I can’t. If he is asserting that inalienable rights exist and doesn’t just personally believe it, he must demonstrate that they do.
[/quote]
No, wait, I think DD has a point.
Why do you think human life has value? Isn’t it just another thing in the universe, no more or less important or valuable than anything else?[/quote]
You want to walk him in circles around this gaping hole in his belief structure a while? [/quote]
Circles? As opposed to believing in a book that claims bats are birds?
Inalienable rights exist? Please demonstrate that they do.[/quote]
Says the guy who believes in the value of human life without the first inkling of a demonstration.[/quote]
So what? I already said I can’t. If he is asserting that inalienable rights exist and doesn’t just personally believe it, he must demonstrate that they do.
[/quote]
Why should he, if you don’t. Unless you are now claiming that human life has only the relative value each person assigns to it. In which case you can’t claim human life has value, merely that you feel like it does in your opinion. Which is to say, you cannot fault someone for disagreeing and not living by your personal unsupported opinion.[/quote]
If he wants to assert it as fact he must prove it. I’m not asserting it as fact.
[/quote]
Inalienable rights exist? Please demonstrate that they do.[/quote]
Says the guy who believes in the value of human life without the first inkling of a demonstration.[/quote]
So what? I already said I can’t. If he is asserting that inalienable rights exist and doesn’t just personally believe it, he must demonstrate that they do.
[/quote]
No, wait, I think DD has a point.
Why do you think human life has value? Isn’t it just another thing in the universe, no more or less important or valuable than anything else?[/quote]
You want to walk him in circles around this gaping hole in his belief structure a while? [/quote]
Circles? As opposed to believing in a book that claims bats are birds?
[/quote]
What?
and a really poor one at that.
How about, as apposed to a magic unicorn in your head enlightening you with special insight about human life that is so awesome it can’t be put in words or rationally considered.
Inalienable rights exist? Please demonstrate that they do.[/quote]
Says the guy who believes in the value of human life without the first inkling of a demonstration.[/quote]
So what? I already said I can’t. If he is asserting that inalienable rights exist and doesn’t just personally believe it, he must demonstrate that they do.
[/quote]
Why should he, if you don’t. Unless you are now claiming that human life has only the relative value each person assigns to it. In which case you can’t claim human life has value, merely that you feel like it does in your opinion. Which is to say, you cannot fault someone for disagreeing and not living by your personal unsupported opinion.[/quote]
If he wants to assert it as fact he must prove it. I’m not asserting it as fact.
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Then what are you asserting human value as?[/quote]
I’m not asserting anything. I’m saying I personally believe human life as intrinsic value over other forms.
I will say we benefit from treating all humans as having intrinsic value.
Inalienable rights exist? Please demonstrate that they do.[/quote]
Says the guy who believes in the value of human life without the first inkling of a demonstration.[/quote]
So what? I already said I can’t. If he is asserting that inalienable rights exist and doesn’t just personally believe it, he must demonstrate that they do.
[/quote]
No, wait, I think DD has a point.
Why do you think human life has value? Isn’t it just another thing in the universe, no more or less important or valuable than anything else?[/quote]
You want to walk him in circles around this gaping hole in his belief structure a while? [/quote]
Circles? As opposed to believing in a book that claims bats are birds?
[/quote]
What?
and a really poor one at that.
How about, as apposed to a magic unicorn in your head enlightening you with special insight about human life that is so awesome it can’t be put in words or rationally considered. [/quote]
You are not the Bible. I am attacking the bible. I will say it’s silly to believe the bible is the word of god because it’s filled with demonstrably false information.
Inalienable rights exist? Please demonstrate that they do.[/quote]
Says the guy who believes in the value of human life without the first inkling of a demonstration.[/quote]
So what? I already said I can’t. If he is asserting that inalienable rights exist and doesn’t just personally believe it, he must demonstrate that they do.
[/quote]
No, wait, I think DD has a point.
Why do you think human life has value? Isn’t it just another thing in the universe, no more or less important or valuable than anything else?[/quote]
You want to walk him in circles around this gaping hole in his belief structure a while? [/quote]
Circles? As opposed to believing in a book that claims bats are birds?
[/quote]
What?
and a really poor one at that.
How about, as apposed to a magic unicorn in your head enlightening you with special insight about human life that is so awesome it can’t be put in words or rationally considered. [/quote]
You are not the Bible. I am attacking the bible. I will say it’s silly to believe the bible is the word of god because it’s filled with demonstrably false information.
One of those things is bats = birds.
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Again, rationally explain how the Bible was any way involved in the questions posed to you, and I’ll point out how your assertion is full of shit. Why did you suddenly attack the Bible? You are merely trying to divert attention from your own hypocrisy.
Inalienable rights exist? Please demonstrate that they do.[/quote]
Says the guy who believes in the value of human life without the first inkling of a demonstration.[/quote]
So what? I already said I can’t. If he is asserting that inalienable rights exist and doesn’t just personally believe it, he must demonstrate that they do.
[/quote]
No, wait, I think DD has a point.
Why do you think human life has value? Isn’t it just another thing in the universe, no more or less important or valuable than anything else?[/quote]
You want to walk him in circles around this gaping hole in his belief structure a while? [/quote]
Circles? As opposed to believing in a book that claims bats are birds?
[/quote]
What?
and a really poor one at that.
How about, as apposed to a magic unicorn in your head enlightening you with special insight about human life that is so awesome it can’t be put in words or rationally considered. [/quote]
You are not the Bible. I am attacking the bible. I will say it’s silly to believe the bible is the word of god because it’s filled with demonstrably false information.
One of those things is bats = birds.
[/quote]
Again, rationally explain how the Bible was any way involved in the questions posed to you, and I’ll point out how your assertion is full of shit. Why did you suddenly attack the Bible? You are merely trying to divert attention from your own hypocrisy. [/quote]
You are saying my worldview is flawed, I am also saying yours is flawed as well.
Step 1: have religious-like non-religious experience that can’t be identified
Step 2: believe human intrinsic value outside of rational explanation or physical definition based on voice in head during step 1
Step 3: ???
Step 4: profit
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Step 1: have religious-like non-religious experience that can’t be identified
Step 2: believe human intrinsic value outside of rational explanation or physical definition based on voice in head during step 1
Step 3: ???
Step 4: profit[/quote]
This is hilarious.
I have a handful of personal beliefs that I cannot justify while you have dozens upon dozens.
Yet my worldview is hugely flawed because I cannot explain why I value human life
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Step 1: have religious-like non-religious experience that can’t be identified
Step 2: believe human intrinsic value outside of rational explanation or physical definition based on voice in head during step 1
Step 3: ???
Step 4: profit[/quote]
This is hilarious.
I have a handful of personal beliefs that I cannot justify while you have dozens upon dozens.
Yet my worldview is hugely flawed because I cannot explain why I value human life
Hyprocrisy at its finest[/quote]
Name one of mine.
Edit: by the way I’m not saying my beliefs are better. But I do acknowledge my beliefs for what they are.
You on the other hand have your own set of spiritual beliefs while denying them as such and constantly mocking other people for doing the same thing you are.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Step 1: have religious-like non-religious experience that can’t be identified
Step 2: believe human intrinsic value outside of rational explanation or physical definition based on voice in head during step 1
Step 3: ???
Step 4: profit[/quote]
This is hilarious.
I have a handful of personal beliefs that I cannot justify while you have dozens upon dozens.
Yet my worldview is hugely flawed because I cannot explain why I value human life
Hyprocrisy at its finest[/quote]
Name one of mine.
Edit: by the way I’m not saying my beliefs are better. But I do acknowledge my beliefs for what they are.
You on the other hand have your own set of spiritual beliefs while denying them as such and constantly mocking other people for doing the same thing you are.[/quote]
Not really. I believe one or two things I can’t prove while religious peoples whole worldviews are based on unjustifiable claims
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Step 1: have religious-like non-religious experience that can’t be identified
Step 2: believe human intrinsic value outside of rational explanation or physical definition based on voice in head during step 1
Step 3: ???
Step 4: profit[/quote]
This is hilarious.
I have a handful of personal beliefs that I cannot justify while you have dozens upon dozens.
Yet my worldview is hugely flawed because I cannot explain why I value human life
Hyprocrisy at its finest[/quote]
Name one of mine.
Edit: by the way I’m not saying my beliefs are better. But I do acknowledge my beliefs for what they are.
You on the other hand have your own set of spiritual beliefs while denying them as such and constantly mocking other people for doing the same thing you are.[/quote]
Not really. I believe one or two things I can’t prove while religious peoples whole worldviews are based on unjustifiable claims[/quote]
So, it’s a numbers thing? What number of faith in improvable beliefs makes on silly?
Is your worldview not shaped by your belief in the value of human life? Seems like something that would shape much of your view of all parts of life