[quote]pat wrote:
debraD wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
How many that have posted to this thread are actually practicing Catholics?
Crickets?
Does such a creature exist in the wild?
I am kidding, a bit :P. In my family, practicing Catholics have skipped an entire generation. Only the old ladies are going to mass now and even they spend a lot of time complaining about the priests, the pope or the church. The only exceptions are for weddings, funerals and Christmas, when we all start practicing again, and thatâs only so we donât face the wrath of my Aunt Mary. Aside from the old ladies, I havenât actually met a serious practicing Catholic in years. And Iâm definitely not one.
Bullshit. I donât know where circles you hang around but despite all the bad press and all the bullshit and misinformation (such as your post) the population of Catholics in the world and indeed in the U.S. is growing. Interestingly enough, at least in my area, the largest demographic becoming Catholics are blacks. This is really good stuff. Donât believe everything the media says. Itâs not always true, believe it or not. [/quote]
Did you even read my post? Did you miss the part where I said IN MY FAMILY? Explain to me how on earth you could possibly have a clue as to what constitutes misinformation with regards to what I have to say about my family? You canât. What the hell that has to do with the media is beyond me.
[quote]debraD wrote:
pat wrote:
debraD wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
How many that have posted to this thread are actually practicing Catholics?
Crickets?
Does such a creature exist in the wild?
I am kidding, a bit :P. In my family, practicing Catholics have skipped an entire generation. Only the old ladies are going to mass now and even they spend a lot of time complaining about the priests, the pope or the church. The only exceptions are for weddings, funerals and Christmas, when we all start practicing again, and thatâs only so we donât face the wrath of my Aunt Mary. Aside from the old ladies, I havenât actually met a serious practicing Catholic in years. And Iâm definitely not one.
Bullshit. I donât know where circles you hang around but despite all the bad press and all the bullshit and misinformation (such as your post) the population of Catholics in the world and indeed in the U.S. is growing. Interestingly enough, at least in my area, the largest demographic becoming Catholics are blacks. This is really good stuff. Donât believe everything the media says. Itâs not always true, believe it or not.
Did you even read my post? Did you miss the part where I said IN MY FAMILY? Explain to me how on earth you could possibly have a clue as to what constitutes misinformation with regards to what I have to say about my family? You canât. What the hell that has to do with the media is beyond me.[/quote]
My apologies thenâŠI was taking the very first sips of my coffee when I read it. So I wasnât totally lucid, if youâll accept the excuse.
[quote]pat wrote:
debraD wrote:
pat wrote:
debraD wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
How many that have posted to this thread are actually practicing Catholics?
Crickets?
Does such a creature exist in the wild?
I am kidding, a bit :P. In my family, practicing Catholics have skipped an entire generation. Only the old ladies are going to mass now and even they spend a lot of time complaining about the priests, the pope or the church. The only exceptions are for weddings, funerals and Christmas, when we all start practicing again, and thatâs only so we donât face the wrath of my Aunt Mary. Aside from the old ladies, I havenât actually met a serious practicing Catholic in years. And Iâm definitely not one.
Bullshit. I donât know where circles you hang around but despite all the bad press and all the bullshit and misinformation (such as your post) the population of Catholics in the world and indeed in the U.S. is growing. Interestingly enough, at least in my area, the largest demographic becoming Catholics are blacks. This is really good stuff. Donât believe everything the media says. Itâs not always true, believe it or not.
Did you even read my post? Did you miss the part where I said IN MY FAMILY? Explain to me how on earth you could possibly have a clue as to what constitutes misinformation with regards to what I have to say about my family? You canât. What the hell that has to do with the media is beyond me.
My apologies thenâŠI was taking the very first sips of my coffee when I read it. So I wasnât totally lucid, if youâll accept the excuse.[/quote]
[quote]Himora22 wrote:
jp_dubya wrote:
Shameful. Turn the other cheek, judge not less ye be judged, those without sinâŠ
Not to mention separation of church and state[/quote]
Separation of church and state was created to enable everyone to worship what ever they choose free of religious persecution. It was created by our government not our churches. That does not mean the church can not preach against government. I am not Catholic, but I agree 100% with the priest.
Unless I read the article incorrectly the priest wasnât refusing communion to anyone. He said you shouldnât take communion if you voted. In other words you should refrain from taking communion until you are right with the lord. You can come up and take it, but it between you and God. That is how I interpreted it anyway.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Unless I read the article incorrectly the priest wasnât refusing communion to anyone. He said you shouldnât take communion if you voted. In other words you should refrain from taking communion until you are right with the lord. You can come up and take it, but it between you and God. That is how I interpreted it anyway.[/quote]
You are correct, I think some of the others posting here didnât actually read the article.
[quote]JamFly wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Unless I read the article incorrectly the priest wasnât refusing communion to anyone. He said you shouldnât take communion if you voted. In other words you should refrain from taking communion until you are right with the lord. You can come up and take it, but it between you and God. That is how I interpreted it anyway.
You are correct, I think some of the others posting here didnât actually read the article.[/quote]
âThe Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Maryâs Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.â
I think you read the article incorrectly. They need to (or rather, should) confess, do penance and receive absolution before receiving communion. No different than any other sin. All that is controversial within the Church and his diocese is that he is saying voting for Obama is inherently a sin because he supports abortion, while official Church stance is that as long as you are not voting on the issue of abortion, you can vote for a politician supporting it.
[quote]Anonymous Coward wrote:
JamFly wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Unless I read the article incorrectly the priest wasnât refusing communion to anyone. He said you shouldnât take communion if you voted. In other words you should refrain from taking communion until you are right with the lord. You can come up and take it, but it between you and God. That is how I interpreted it anyway.
You are correct, I think some of the others posting here didnât actually read the article.
âThe Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Maryâs Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.â
I think you read the article incorrectly. They need to (or rather, should) confess, do penance and receive absolution before receiving communion.
No different than any other sin. All that is controversial within the Church and his diocese is that he is saying voting for Obama is inherently a sin because he supports abortion, while official Church stance is that as long as you are not voting on the issue of abortion, you can vote for a politician supporting it. [/quote]
[quote]Anonymous Coward wrote:
JamFly wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
Unless I read the article incorrectly the priest wasnât refusing communion to anyone. He said you shouldnât take communion if you voted. In other words you should refrain from taking communion until you are right with the lord. You can come up and take it, but it between you and God. That is how I interpreted it anyway.
You are correct, I think some of the others posting here didnât actually read the article.
âThe Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Maryâs Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.â
I think you read the article incorrectly. They need to (or rather, should) confess, do penance and receive absolution before receiving communion. No different than any other sin. All that is controversial within the Church and his diocese is that he is saying voting for Obama is inherently a sin because he supports abortion, while official Church stance is that as long as you are not voting on the issue of abortion, you can vote for a politician supporting it. [/quote]
Um ya I get that, but that doesnât mean he is denying anyone communion. You hit it right on the head they have to be right with the Lord before they take communion, but that is on them not the priest. He will still give it, but your the one that shouldnât take it if your not right with the Lord.
One other thing Obama is one of the most liberal politicians as far as abortion goes. Not saying being completely for abortion and being on the fence is the same thing, but I believe the fact that he is so for abortion is part of the issue.
[quote]Anonymous Coward wrote:
pat wrote:
That is not correct.
How so?[/quote]
You cannot discount the politicianâs stance on a morally repugnant policy just because you are not interested in it. You must consider it all in tandem and then make the most moral decision possible.
The only way you could be truly absolved from the responsibility voting for somebody who unapologetically supports the death of 1.2 million people a year, is if you truly did not knowâŠSince he made it clear he support abortion from the point of conception all the way to where the child has actually exited the womanâs body, nobody has any excuses of ignorance. He made little clear, but that was crystal.
As a Catholic, you are obligated if not to do good, to at least do no harm.
Actually, the wine, the real communion wine made by monks, is exceptional. Most churches donât use it anymore as it is too expensive to divvy out the congregation.
[quote]pat wrote:
As a Catholic, you are obligated if not to do good, to at least do no harm.[/quote]
I guess I canât really argue with that. I donât think that Catholicism requires you to be a one-issue voter, but if thatâs on your conscience then I definitely canât fault you for it.
During the last Canadian election, I didnât have the option of voting for somebody who was against abortion, as all parties in my riding have either neutral or pro-abortion policies, which amount to the same thing when abortion is currently legal. The only thing most people I know can do to avoid voting for an abortionist is not vote, which probably affects my view on the issue.
Do you mean to say that you think is the only issue a Catholic can ethically vote on? How would you handle a situation where every available candidate had the same stance?
I guess Iâm getting off-topic here, but the other point in my original post stands, that being that the priest was not ex-communicating anyone, as the article and several responses imply, he was letting them know that voting for Obama is a sin that needs confession and absolution.
[quote]Anonymous Coward wrote:
pat wrote:
As a Catholic, you are obligated if not to do good, to at least do no harm.
I guess I canât really argue with that. I donât think that Catholicism requires you to be a one-issue voter, but if thatâs on your conscience then I definitely canât fault you for it.
During the last Canadian election, I didnât have the option of voting for somebody who was against abortion, as all parties in my riding have either neutral or pro-abortion policies, which amount to the same thing when abortion is currently legal. The only thing most people I know can do to avoid voting for an abortionist is not vote, which probably affects my view on the issue.
Do you mean to say that you think is the only issue a Catholic can ethically vote on? How would you handle a situation where every available candidate had the same stance?
I guess Iâm getting off-topic here, but the other point in my original post stands, that being that the priest was not ex-communicating anyone, as the article and several responses imply, he was letting them know that voting for Obama is a sin that needs confession and absolution.[/quote]
Well, if youâre choosing between a pro-life yet pro unnecessary war candidate, and a pro-abortion anti unnecessary war candidate it could get complicated.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Anonymous Coward wrote:
pat wrote:
As a Catholic, you are obligated if not to do good, to at least do no harm.
I guess I canât really argue with that. I donât think that Catholicism requires you to be a one-issue voter, but if thatâs on your conscience then I definitely canât fault you for it.
During the last Canadian election, I didnât have the option of voting for somebody who was against abortion, as all parties in my riding have either neutral or pro-abortion policies, which amount to the same thing when abortion is currently legal. The only thing most people I know can do to avoid voting for an abortionist is not vote, which probably affects my view on the issue.
Do you mean to say that you think is the only issue a Catholic can ethically vote on? How would you handle a situation where every available candidate had the same stance?
I guess Iâm getting off-topic here, but the other point in my original post stands, that being that the priest was not ex-communicating anyone, as the article and several responses imply, he was letting them know that voting for Obama is a sin that needs confession and absolution.
Well, if youâre choosing between a pro-life yet pro unnecessary war candidate, and a pro-abortion anti unnecessary war candidate it could get complicated.[/quote]
[quote]Sloth wrote:
Well, if youâre choosing between a pro-life yet pro unnecessary war candidate, and a pro-abortion anti unnecessary war candidate it could get complicated.[/quote]
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
How many that have posted to this thread are actually practicing Catholics?[/quote]
I am a practicing Catholic. The church views abortion as murder.
The priest is not concerned with secular popular opinion. He shouldnât be either. A priest should be concerned with the souls of those he leads and serves.
[quote]hedo wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
How many that have posted to this thread are actually practicing Catholics?
I am a practicing Catholic. The church views abortion as murder.
The priest is not concerned with secular popular opinion. He shouldnât be either. A priest should be concerned with the souls of those he leads and serves.
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I agree. I am not a catholic, but I go to mass every week (long story) anyway I think one of the problems with religion is the leadership tries to cater to society and it shouldnât be that way. The religions stance should not changed just because the times do.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
I agree. I am not a catholic, but I go to mass every week (long story) anyway I think one of the problems with religion is the leadership tries to cater to society and it shouldnât be that way. The religions stance should not changed just because the times do. [/quote]
Absolutely right. As long as they stay the fuck away from me, I donât care what any organized religion believes.
I do have concerns however, about children who are effectively brainwashed into religion by their nutter parents who are told to do so by religious officials who would like nothing better than to bolster their ranks.
