Catholic Priest: 'No Communion for Obama Supporters'

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Anonymous Coward wrote:
pat wrote:
As a Catholic, you are obligated if not to do good, to at least do no harm.

I guess I can’t really argue with that. I don’t think that Catholicism requires you to be a one-issue voter, but if that’s on your conscience then I definitely can’t fault you for it.

During the last Canadian election, I didn’t have the option of voting for somebody who was against abortion, as all parties in my riding have either neutral or pro-abortion policies, which amount to the same thing when abortion is currently legal. The only thing most people I know can do to avoid voting for an abortionist is not vote, which probably affects my view on the issue.

Do you mean to say that you think is the only issue a Catholic can ethically vote on? How would you handle a situation where every available candidate had the same stance?

I guess I’m getting off-topic here, but the other point in my original post stands, that being that the priest was not ex-communicating anyone, as the article and several responses imply, he was letting them know that voting for Obama is a sin that needs confession and absolution.

Well, if you’re choosing between a pro-life yet pro unnecessary war candidate, and a pro-abortion anti unnecessary war candidate it could get complicated.

What would you consider an unnecessary war?[/quote]

Iraq. And the contiuation of our presence in Afghanistan.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
I agree. I am not a catholic, but I go to mass every week (long story) anyway I think one of the problems with religion is the leadership tries to cater to society and it shouldn’t be that way. The religions stance should not changed just because the times do.

Absolutely right. As long as they stay the fuck away from me, I don’t care what any organized religion believes.

I do have concerns however, about children who are effectively brainwashed into religion by their nutter parents who are told to do so by religious officials who would like nothing better than to bolster their ranks.[/quote]

And we worry about you guys brainwashing your children in accepting perversion, the destruction of humans in the womb, etc. I see nuttery parading in the streets, being taught in classrooms, and in damn near every movie or song being put out. Welcome to my world.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
And we worry about you guys brainwashing your children in accepting perversion, the destruction of humans in the womb, etc. I see nuttery parading in the streets, being taught in classrooms, and in damn near every movie or song being put out. Welcome to my world.[/quote]

All such policies are best left to people with the mental capacity to understand them. I won’t bring up abortion or “perversion” and “etc.” with kids and you can stop forcing “religion” into them. Let them make up their own damn minds.

Deal?

See this deal works out better for me, because I don’t have to change how I do anything.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
usmccds423 wrote:
I agree. I am not a catholic, but I go to mass every week (long story) anyway I think one of the problems with religion is the leadership tries to cater to society and it shouldn’t be that way. The religions stance should not changed just because the times do.

Absolutely right. As long as they stay the fuck away from me, I don’t care what any organized religion believes.

I do have concerns however, about children who are effectively brainwashed into religion by their nutter parents who are told to do so by religious officials who would like nothing better than to bolster their ranks.[/quote]

Unless you are seeking communion as a catholic I don’t think his teaching on the sacrament will have any effect on you whatsoever.

The catholic faith exposes children to the religion at the request of their parents. The individial must choose to practice it or not when they become of age. I was educated in the religion, rebeled against it in my youth and came back to it as an adult. I suspect my son may do the same.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
And we worry about you guys brainwashing your children in accepting perversion, the destruction of humans in the womb, etc. I see nuttery parading in the streets, being taught in classrooms, and in damn near every movie or song being put out. Welcome to my world.

All such policies are best left to people with the mental capacity to understand them. I won’t bring up abortion or “perversion” and “etc.” with kids and you can stop forcing “religion” into them. Let them make up their own damn minds.

Deal?

See this deal works out better for me, because I don’t have to change how I do anything.[/quote]

No, no, feel free to instruct your kids to accept homosexuality and abortion as perfectly normal and healthy things. I’ll instruct my children with my morals, and yes, my faith.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
And we worry about you guys brainwashing your children in accepting perversion, the destruction of humans in the womb, etc. I see nuttery parading in the streets, being taught in classrooms, and in damn near every movie or song being put out. Welcome to my world.

All such policies are best left to people with the mental capacity to understand them. I won’t bring up abortion or “perversion” and “etc.” with kids and you can stop forcing “religion” into them. Let them make up their own damn minds.

Deal?

See this deal works out better for me, because I don’t have to change how I do anything.

No, no, feel free to instruct your kids to accept homosexuality and abortion as perfectly normal and healthy things. I’ll instruct my children with my morals, and yes, my faith. [/quote]

But you see I do none of those things. I don’t think a child really gives a damn about such issues. Instruct morals, that’s all well and good but forcing fairy tales down their throats?

Hrm.

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It’s called parenting. Folks should try it sometime. Man has passed on culture (yes, even religious beliefs), morals, and manners to their children since the dawn of man. And I’d supsect those who believe they aren’t “brainwashing” their children, inevitably do.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Sloth wrote:
And we worry about you guys brainwashing your children in accepting perversion, the destruction of humans in the womb, etc. I see nuttery parading in the streets, being taught in classrooms, and in damn near every movie or song being put out. Welcome to my world.

All such policies are best left to people with the mental capacity to understand them. I won’t bring up abortion or “perversion” and “etc.” with kids and you can stop forcing “religion” into them. Let them make up their own damn minds.

Deal?

See this deal works out better for me, because I don’t have to change how I do anything.

No, no, feel free to instruct your kids to accept homosexuality and abortion as perfectly normal and healthy things. I’ll instruct my children with my morals, and yes, my faith.

But you see I do none of those things. I don’t think a child really gives a damn about such issues. Instruct morals, that’s all well and good but forcing fairy tales down their throats?

Hrm.[/quote]
What code morals would you teach children?

It’s clear you are a non-thinking person, it’s obvious you are a victim of your own philosophy on child rearing.

It’s also obvious know zero about what the Catholic faith teaches besides the BS you have read in the media.

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[quote]JamFly wrote:
What code morals would you teach children?

It’s clear you are a non-thinking person, it’s obvious you are a victim of your own philosophy on child rearing.

It’s also obvious know zero about what the Catholic faith teaches besides the BS you have read in the media.[/quote]

Sigh.

Religion and morals are linked, but can still be taught separately. Children don’t know jack shit about the metaphors and allegory that are supposed to form the basis for a lot of religious texts. Would it not be better to wait until they can understand better? Wouldn’t that ensure the message is preserved and not diluted by misinterpretation (to a lesser degree anyway)?

Morals are pretty much the same as the Ten Commandments. They existed in places where Christianity wasn’t introduced until much later.

You know, the simple things.

Ooh and maybe the golden rule. Go figure.

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http://www.lifenews.com/nat4527.html

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
JamFly wrote:
What code morals would you teach children?

It’s clear you are a non-thinking person, it’s obvious you are a victim of your own philosophy on child rearing.

It’s also obvious know zero about what the Catholic faith teaches besides the BS you have read in the media.

Sigh.

Religion and morals are linked, but can still be taught separately. Children don’t know jack shit about the metaphors and allegory that are supposed to form the basis for a lot of religious texts. Would it not be better to wait until they can understand better? Wouldn’t that ensure the message is preserved and not diluted by misinterpretation (to a lesser degree anyway)?

Morals are pretty much the same as the Ten Commandments. They existed in places where Christianity wasn’t introduced until much later.

You know, the simple things.

Ooh and maybe the golden rule. Go figure.[/quote]

Wow a post which says nothing of any substance and makes no point except morals are the same as the 10 commandments? What else exactly is it that you think all these religious nut jobs teach their kids?

You seem confused and you are contradicting yourself do you have a point? Can you explain what moral code you would have children taught?

Also being patronising and distainfull towards those with beliefs is pretty immature.

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[quote]JamFly wrote:
Wow a post which says nothing of any substance and makes no point except morals are the same as the 10 commandments? What else exactly is it that you think all these religious nut jobs teach their kids?

You seem confused and you are contradicting yourself do you have a point? Can you explain what moral code you would have children taught?

Also being patronising and distainfull towards those with beliefs is pretty immature.[/quote]

I said mostly similar. Not all the commandments I agree with.

All I know is that there are people who think Noah’s Ark was real. Where did they pick that up from? Also, for the record, THOSE are the people I’m disdainful of, not the ones who can separate fact from fiction.

You should learn to read.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
JamFly wrote:
Wow a post which says nothing of any substance and makes no point except morals are the same as the 10 commandments? What else exactly is it that you think all these religious nut jobs teach their kids?

You seem confused and you are contradicting yourself do you have a point? Can you explain what moral code you would have children taught?

Also being patronising and distainfull towards those with beliefs is pretty immature.

I said mostly similar. Not all the commandments I agree with.

All I know is that there are people who think Noah’s Ark was real. Where did they pick that up from? Also, for the record, THOSE are the people I’m disdainful of, not the ones who can separate fact from fiction.

You should learn to read.[/quote]

I can read and you’re still contradicting yourself and not making any sense. You cannot see this?

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Here it is in a nutshell:

Teaching things like don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t covet = fine

Teaching children that a 900 year old man built a wooden boat and managed to collect two of every species before evading a flood that destroyed humanity and managed to recreate humanity with just his family while avoiding the incestuous overtones of such an undertaking = not so fine

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Here it is in a nutshell:

Teaching things like don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t covet = fine

Teaching children that a 900 year old man built a wooden boat and managed to collect two of every species before evading a flood that destroyed humanity and managed to recreate humanity with just his family while avoiding the incestuous overtones of such an undertaking = not so fine[/quote]

that’s funny pretty sure they have found what they believe to be reminants of the ark, and a number of other artifacts depicted in the bible, but if you believe the bible you believe it you don’t pick and choose. That is why it is called faith, you don’t need evidence proof or any of these things faith, kind of like existence starting from some cosmic bang, it is a theory requires faith because there is not evidential proof.

both or a philosophy of proof, neither prooven until death and then only to that person. But for those of you who think matter magically appeared but it wasn’t god, guess you never really find out if you were right because if you were you just die. nothing.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
Here it is in a nutshell:

Teaching things like don’t kill, don’t steal, don’t covet = fine

Teaching children that a 900 year old man built a wooden boat and managed to collect two of every species before evading a flood that destroyed humanity and managed to recreate humanity with just his family while avoiding the incestuous overtones of such an undertaking = not so fine[/quote]

You do know that genetically we are all almost identical.

There is substantial evidence that a great flood did occur…Did Noah actually build and arc? I wasn’t there, but taking all the good the bible teaches away from children just because some of the stories are a stretch is not a smart move. Look at the way the world is today. We have taken God out of school, courts, and now we want to remove the word “In God We Trust” from our money just because not everyone is religious. This country was founded on these beliefs whether you like it or not. Since this Godless era has begun crime has skyrocketed and the over all decency of man has declined.

I have spent my entire youth at church and I go now mainly to please my wife, but I take the bible at face value. Is everything 100% infallible? In my opinion no because it wasn?t written by God, but with his influence. You can not deny the lessons taught in the bible teach people a respectable way to live their life. If everyone just tried to live the way the bible tells us to we would have less of a lot of bad things too many to name.

That goes for all religions. The Quran has many great lessons unfortunately there are fanatics in this world that do what they want and stretch their religion so far to cover their ass.

Which of the 10 commandments do you think isn’t worthy of teaching kids?

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I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me…"

I don’t think this one. Ties in with not introducing any religion until a person is old enough to understand what they’re being told.

“Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above…”

Also don’t think this one should be taught. If some has no religion, then making idol probably won’t be religious either.

“Do not swear falsely by the name of the LORD…”

Same as above.

“Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy”

Again, this is purely religious and irrelevant for someone who isn’t part of a religion.

“Honor your father and your mother…”

Definitely a good one. There is no reason for this NOT to be taught to children.

[b]“Do not murder”

“Do not commit adultery.”

“Do not steal.”[/b]

Again, all good ones. No reason to NOT teach kids these.

“Do not bear false witness against your neighbor”

Take out “against your neighbor” and again, this is a good one to keep.

“Do not covet your neighbor’s wife”

Another one to keep.

So as you can see, it’s only four of the ten that I don’t see as being necessary UNTIL being introduced (at an appropriate age) to people. I have no problems with teaching kids the MORALS of the New Testament - heck, Jesus sounds like a swell guy (I don’t know why, maybe it’s all that love and compassion and not the miracles?).

Now, I’ve used Christianity as an example here, but I also think this should extend to ALL religions. Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, etc.

Now, if you don’t agree with this… is it because you’re threatened by the fact that your children might in fact reject these teachings? I wouldn’t be so sure - I’d be more interested provided I was told it was a book that contained allegory and metaphor use. Children don’t know the difference between metaphors and an exclamation mark when they are 3.

I’d go as far as saying if someone studies the Bible/Qu’ran/Rig Veda/whatever for the first time at an older age, and learn it while understanding the metaphors and subtext, they’d gain a far better understanding of the text.

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Catholics have already devepoled fantastic religious instruction for their young. But, I’m sure they’re thankful for your input.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:

“Do not make an image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above…”

[/quote]

Haha I’ve got to laugh at this, you cannot even google the 10 commandments and get it right!!!

Seriously if you want to hold such a strong opinon on any subject you should actually do some research into it instead of basing your opinions on personal bias - it may stop you looking like such a complete dick head in the future.

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[quote]JamFly wrote:
Haha I’ve got to laugh at this, you cannot even google the 10 commandments and get it right!!!

Seriously if you want to hold such a strong opinon on any subject you should actually do some research into it instead of basing your opinions on personal bias - it may stop you looking like such a complete dick head in the future.[/quote]

Again you miss my point. I don’t think any of the religions should be teaching such things to children.

But seeing as you’re confused, I used the traditional division and interpretation of the commandments used in Exodus that Judaism uses.

But because you seem to be so Catholicism based, here:

  1. I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me, but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

  1. You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.

  2. Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God;

You shall not do any work?you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you.

Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.

  1. Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God commanded you, so that your days may be long and that it may go well with you in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.

  2. You shall not kill.

  3. Neither shall you commit adultery.

  4. Neither shall you steal.

  5. Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbor.

  6. Neither shall you covet your neighbor’s wife.

  7. Neither shall you desire your neighbor’s house, or field, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Better? 1, 2 & 3 I don’t think are appropriate. 4-10 are fine.