[quote]Gkhan wrote:
Ok, any news on the meeting between Hamas and Carter?[/quote]
Yeah, he met with them twice. They basically told him that they don’t give a fuck, but that their meeting proves their legitimacy.
Hamas 2, Carter 0, U.S. -1.
[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:
Inner Hulk wrote:
Seriously, when did it become controversial to try and solve conflicts with discussion?
Words matter.
Not only is he negotiating with terrorists, he’s giving credence to lies.
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2008/04/carter-lies-in-cairo.html[/quote]
Calculated lies and gullibility have been Mr. Carter’s forte, and now, upending policy for self-aggrandizement and marquee glitter:
Here’s an organization of ex-Israeli soldiers denouncing the horrors of the occupation and Israel’s state terrorism.
How do Americans brush this off?
[i]Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli military over the last six months, but it was the high number of civilian casualties in the Israeli army operations over the last week that so shocked people in Gaza.
At the same time, Israeli and Palestinian leaders insist that peace talks are moving in the right direction.
The picture of 23-year-old Fadel Shana adorns the latest “martyr posters” pasted on walls across the Gaza Strip.
But instead of a gun, like the many militants who have died, Fadel poses with his camera.
The final footage he recorded while working for the Reuters news agency shows an Israeli tank shell being launched several hundred metres away. Moments later, the picture flickers and goes black.
Fadel was one of 15 civilians who were killed in a single day, according to doctors.
They died in a series of attacks that were mainly focused on central Gaza - an angry Israeli reaction to the deaths of three of its soldiers in combat in the north of the territory.
Five Palestinian children and a farmer tending his fields were among the others who paid the price.
While Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas condemned the operation, he also said peace talks would continue and are on track.
This optimism has been echoed by Israeli and American politicians.
In Gaza, there is little to show for the fact that negotiations have been going on for nearly five months.
Gazans were sceptical about the talks even before they were re-launched in November last year.
Then, many felt the process would be used as a tool to further isolate the Gaza Strip. Now, even more people seem convinced of that.
The Palestinian representatives in the negotiations with Israel come mainly from Mr Abbas’ Fatah party.
Its rival, Hamas, has been excluded from the Ramallah-based government since the Islamist faction’s violent takeover of the Gaza Strip last June. Hamas retains firm control of Gaza though.
Fatah says that part of its plan to return to power in Gaza is to use the peace process to convince people that it is better to be rid of Hamas.
The idea, shared by Israel and much of the international community, is that negotiations help to improve living conditions in the West Bank.
However, as long as Hamas controls it, and refuses to recognise Israel explicitly or renounce violence, Gaza will be, to some extent, left behind.
While progress is extremely slow, some things have improved in the West Bank, particularly in terms of money coming in.
In Gaza, there is little doubt that conditions have worsened since peace talks began.
As well as the military operations, the 1.4 million people living there (half of whom are estimated to be aged 15 or under), contend with strict Israeli sanctions.
People, and goods, are difficult to get in and out of the territory.
Attacks on various border crossings by Palestinian militants suggest a concerted effort by Hamas to escalate the situation and provoke a reaction as a way to change the months-old status quo.
Two Israeli civilian workers were killed in one attack on Gaza’s main fuel terminal.
Such acts are at odds with the words of the moderates in Hamas who are calling for a ceasefire with Israel.
There had been talk of an unofficial diplomacy channel through the Egyptians to try to achieve this, though it has come to nothing.
At the moment, in both Israel and among Hamas, it is not those calling for a ceasefire, but those calling for more violence and retaliation that are getting their way.[/i]
Look, more Jews in support of Carter’s iniative!
[quote]lixy wrote:
[i]Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed by the Israeli military over the last six months, but it was the high number of civilian casualties in the Israeli army operations over the last week that so shocked people in Gaza.
At the same time, Israeli and Palestinian leaders insist that peace talks are moving in the right direction.
The picture of 23-year-old Fadel Shana adorns the latest “martyr posters” pasted on walls across the Gaza Strip.
But instead of a gun, like the many militants who have died, Fadel poses with his camera.
The final footage he recorded while working for the Reuters news agency shows an Israeli tank shell being launched several hundred metres away. Moments later, the picture flickers and goes black.
Fadel was one of 15 civilians who were killed in a single day, according to doctors.
They died in a series of attacks that were mainly focused on central Gaza - an angry Israeli reaction to the deaths of three of its soldiers in combat in the north of the territory.
Five Palestinian children and a farmer tending his fields were among the others who paid the price.
While Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas condemned the operation, he also said peace talks would continue and are on track.
This optimism has been echoed by Israeli and American politicians.
In Gaza, there is little to show for the fact that negotiations have been going on for nearly five months.
Gazans were sceptical about the talks even before they were re-launched in November last year.
Then, many felt the process would be used as a tool to further isolate the Gaza Strip. Now, even more people seem convinced of that.
The Palestinian representatives in the negotiations with Israel come mainly from Mr Abbas’ Fatah party.
Its rival, Hamas, has been excluded from the Ramallah-based government since the Islamist faction’s violent takeover of the Gaza Strip last June. Hamas retains firm control of Gaza though.
Fatah says that part of its plan to return to power in Gaza is to use the peace process to convince people that it is better to be rid of Hamas.
The idea, shared by Israel and much of the international community, is that negotiations help to improve living conditions in the West Bank.
However, as long as Hamas controls it, and refuses to recognise Israel explicitly or renounce violence, Gaza will be, to some extent, left behind.
While progress is extremely slow, some things have improved in the West Bank, particularly in terms of money coming in.
In Gaza, there is little doubt that conditions have worsened since peace talks began.
As well as the military operations, the 1.4 million people living there (half of whom are estimated to be aged 15 or under), contend with strict Israeli sanctions.
People, and goods, are difficult to get in and out of the territory.
Attacks on various border crossings by Palestinian militants suggest a concerted effort by Hamas to escalate the situation and provoke a reaction as a way to change the months-old status quo.
Two Israeli civilian workers were killed in one attack on Gaza’s main fuel terminal.
Such acts are at odds with the words of the moderates in Hamas who are calling for a ceasefire with Israel.
There had been talk of an unofficial diplomacy channel through the Egyptians to try to achieve this, though it has come to nothing.
At the moment, in both Israel and among Hamas, it is not those calling for a ceasefire, but those calling for more violence and retaliation that are getting their way.[/i]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7356730.stm[/quote]
By Aleem Maqbool
I can only imagine that this author is 100% unbiased and objective in his reporting…LOL!
So do you support the hamas objective of destruction of Israel. You certainly seem to support it.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Look, more Jews in support of Carter’s iniative!
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/[/quote]
So? They are idiots too. You cannot negotiate with people who support the annihilation of your country and the genocide of your people. That is just stupidity at its finest. A characteristic Mr. Carter has certainly proven he possesses.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Here’s an organization of ex-Israeli soldiers denouncing the horrors of the occupation and Israel’s state terrorism.
How do Americans brush this off?[/quote]
I too denounce any brutality by the Israelis on the people of the occupied territories.
So does this make it ok for the palistinians to shoot rockets in to Israel, suicide bomb, take hostage, etc. There is no shortage of blood on hands in both sides of the conflict, but the palestinian terrorists have more than anybody. And that is some thing they take pride in.
[quote]pat wrote:
So? They are idiots too. [/quote]
I get it now. Everybody else is an idiot. Only you possesses the absolute truth.
[quote]pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
Here’s an organization of ex-Israeli soldiers denouncing the horrors of the occupation and Israel’s state terrorism.
How do Americans brush this off?
I too denounce any brutality by the Israelis on the people of the occupied territories.
So does this make it ok for the palistinians to shoot rockets in to Israel, suicide bomb, take hostage, etc. There is no shortage of blood on hands in both sides of the conflict, but the palestinian terrorists have more than anybody. And that is some thing they take pride in.[/quote]
Hamas needs more targets of its thuggery, since the Gazans have not suffered enough under their rule:
So the main route of civilian relief has become a target of their activity. The Kerem Shalom crossing was manned by civilians, and therefore an easy target for taking “hostages.”
Somehow, Israel is supposed to maintain this humanitarian relief route despite the barrage; otherwise fingers will wag. But no one will blame Hamas for its corruption and for starving the Gazans.
Note, too, that after the recent border disruption, 80 tons of weapons and ammo–not food and medicine-- were smuggled into Gaza.
[quote]lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
So? They are idiots too.
I get it now. Everybody else is an idiot. Only you possesses the absolute truth.[/quote]
That’s the spirit! Get on board to the path of knowledge and wisdom…You shall be free!
Carter: Hamas will accept Israel
Former US President Jimmy Carter has said that Hamas is prepared to accept the right of Israel to “live as a neighbour next door in peace”.
Watch out! It’s a trick. Right? Right?
[quote]lixy wrote:
Carter: Hamas will accept Israel
Former US President Jimmy Carter has said that Hamas is prepared to accept the right of Israel to “live as a neighbour next door in peace”.
Watch out! It’s a trick. Right? Right?[/quote]
You left out the important part of the story:
Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal says his militant Islamic group will not recognize Israel but will accept a Palestinian state on pre-1967 borders.
More fun quotes:
“Let me read exactly what they accepted verbatim. This is their language: ‘If President Abbas succeeds in negotiating a final status agreement with Israel, Hamas will accept the decision made by the Palestinian people and their will in a referendum monitored by international observers … even if Hamas is opposed to the agreement,’” Carter said.
But Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri in Gaza said Hamas’ readiness to put a peace deal to a referendum “does not mean that Hamas is going to accept the result of the referendum.”
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/shared-gen/ap/Middle_East/Carter_Israel.html
[quote]pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
Carter: Hamas will accept Israel
Former US President Jimmy Carter has said that Hamas is prepared to accept the right of Israel to “live as a neighbour next door in peace”.
Watch out! It’s a trick. Right? Right?
You left out the important part of the story:
Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal says his militant Islamic group will not recognize Israel but will accept a Palestinian state on pre-1967 borders.[/quote]
It’s classic chicken/egg. Why should they “formally recognise Israel” if the latter can’t even recognize that they are the legitimate representatives of the Palestinians? When has the Israeli deigned to talk to them (besides when they were supporting Islamists back in the early 80s)?
Also, where did you quote that thing from? I’ve searched the article I posted, but can’t find it.
Only a fool would believe Hamas lies.
[i]Palestinian militant group Hamas will not recognise Israel, its political leader Khaled Meshaal has insited.
He was responding to comments by former US President Jimmy Carter, following their talks in Syria at the weekend. [/i]
What we have here is failure…to communicate.
[quote]lixy wrote:
[i]Palestinian militant group Hamas will not recognise Israel, its political leader Khaled Meshaal has insited.
He was responding to comments by former US President Jimmy Carter, following their talks in Syria at the weekend. [/i]
What we have here is failure…to communicate.[/quote]
And that is a shock because?
Wow, if that were a newspaper heading, I’d have no idea what would even mean.
Do you mean Hamas’ lies, as in a noun, or Hamas lies, as in a verb?
[quote]pat wrote:
lixy wrote:
[i]Palestinian militant group Hamas will not recognise Israel, its political leader Khaled Meshaal has insited.
He was responding to comments by former US President Jimmy Carter, following their talks in Syria at the weekend. [/i]
What we have here is failure…to communicate.
And that is a shock because?[/quote]
Whoever spoke of any “shock”?