[quote]Regular Gonzalez wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Regular Gonzalez wrote:
I am far from convinced that Ahmadinejad is seriously considering attacking Israel. I certainly don’t like the guy but attacking Israel would be suicide and I don’t believe he is that stupid.
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I think you under estimate his craziness and stupidity, but that call is not his. It is the ayatollahs’.
[quote]pat wrote:
I believe you assessment is correct. When you are beset on all sides by enemies who seek your destruction, you need help to hold your ground, and lots of it. If Israel shows any weakness whatsoever, they will be overrun in an instant.[/quote]
Israel’s vulnerability is a myth. They could wipe the floor with anyone around them.
[quote]Maccabee wrote:
Some of the remarks on this thread are astounding, and expose an unfortunate and pitiable ignorance of historical events. Do you remember the state of affairs in Irag in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s (at least prior to June 1981)? No? Let me remind you-- France and Italy had been supplying Iraq with materials to build a nuclear reactor (a reactor that could produce weapons grade material for bombs). Of course, this reactor was allegedly built solely for energy production (right). Opponents to these proceedings suggested that Saddam Hussein would use the plutonium derived from this reactor to manufacture bombs. “Not so!” say the Western countries that bow down to the power of Arab oil. Much to the relief of the educated Western world, Israel bombed and destroyed the Facility on June 7, 1981. How do I know this? I guess it must be because I read. Hmmmmmm… Interesting…[/quote]
I don’t know what “Irag” is, but I believe Gonzales was talking about Iran.
Wait…since when is thirst for nuclear power a bad thing?
And as far as proxy wars go, should I remind you of Washington’s position when Saddam waged a war of aggression on Tehran that killed millions? Should I remind you of who’s sponsoring the MEK?
And lest you forget, the US was involved in the toppling of the legitimate government of Iran and the installment of a brutal and cruel dictator.
Once again, what’s that have to do with I-R-A-N ???
None of the neighboring countries to Israel have nukes. There is talk in Tel-Aviv about nuking Iran, which wouldn’t happen had the latter owned nukes of its own.
Cut out the condescension!
[quote]pat wrote:
I think you under estimate his craziness and stupidity, but that call is not his. It is the ayatollahs’. [/quote]
What are they gonna do? Throw stones at them? Summon Godzilla?
[quote]Maccabee wrote:
Additionally, one must remember that many generations of Arabs that live(d) in Israel were subjugated and victimized by their brethren-- absentee landlords that operated a feudal system in Israel and collected/extorted large taxes on their land holdings. [/quote]
They were mainly Turks, but I agree with the general idea.
So?
[quote]Maccabee wrote:
Finally, I have many Arab friends here in the United States that love Israel. One of my father’s good friends grew up in Jordan and went to Jewish private schools and Jewish summer camps, because his parents recognized the importance of education and did not want their children to grow up without hope for a better future. [/quote]
I’m an Arab and I attended both Catholic and Jewish schools. How is that of any relevance to the subject at hand?
Zionism is a horrible ideology and 90% of the Jews I know recognize that fact regardless of their appreciation for Israel.
I see that you’re totally clueless. Forget about the questions I asked.
[quote]lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
I believe you assessment is correct. When you are beset on all sides by enemies who seek your destruction, you need help to hold your ground, and lots of it. If Israel shows any weakness whatsoever, they will be overrun in an instant.
Israel’s vulnerability is a myth. They could wipe the floor with anyone around them.[/quote]
Israel have one of the best armies in the world it is true, but without some additional funding from the USA I don’t know if it could maintain such an active military programme.
[quote]Maccabee wrote:
Some of the remarks on this thread are astounding, and expose an unfortunate and pitiable ignorance of historical events. Do you remember the state of affairs in Irag in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s (at least prior to June 1981)? No? Let me remind you-- France and Italy had been supplying Iraq with materials to build a nuclear reactor (a reactor that could produce weapons grade material for bombs). Of course, this reactor was allegedly built solely for energy production (right). Opponents to these proceedings suggested that Saddam Hussein would use the plutonium derived from this reactor to manufacture bombs. “Not so!” say the Western countries that bow down to the power of Arab oil. Much to the relief of the educated Western world, Israel bombed and destroyed the Facility on June 7, 1981. How do I know this? I guess it must be because I read. Hmmmmmm… Interesting…
You say you doubt Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s desire to bomb Israel or other Western states? That is interesting, especially given Iran’s thirst for nuclear power and the proxy wars against the US and Israel. I think you have conveniently forgotten about the Gulf War. You forget that Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, dropped Scud missiles everywhere, and perpetrated violence against religious and ethnic minorities in his country. I guess it is a good thing that Israel destroyed his reactor, no? What would have happened if he had fissionable materials for his bombs? Hmmm…
You think Israel is much more likely to use a nuclear weapon against another country in the region? I am going to refrain from invoking various expletives in honor of your ignorance, but where were you during history class in high school? Did you study any sort of political science courses in college (even basic ones?)??? Have you ever heard of the concept of mutually assured destruction? No? Well, in case you have never heard of the Cold War, it is the concept that prevented Superpowers from utilizing nuclear armaments against one another. Take that concept in conjunction with the desire of Israel to maintain her sovereignty, and you should easily be able to intuit some reasons why Israel would not use a nuclear weapon.
Go to Barnes & Noble or an equivalent facility in your area and start reading. [/quote]
You have seen anything yet…Welcome, BTW.
[quote]Maccabee wrote:
Finally, I have many Arab friends here in the United States that love Israel. One of my father’s good friends grew up in Jordan and went to Jewish private schools and Jewish summer camps, because his parents recognized the importance of education and did not want their children to grow up without hope for a better future. Before you pass judgment on any one group of people, you need to remember the ones that are suffering because of their actions. Hamas continues to seek violence against Israel at the expense of those they claim to represent. Do not forget that. Why do they not redirect their arms expenses towards infrastructure? Building schools? Supplying water and basic foodstuffs? Hmm… I wonder how many Russian rockets they could trade for books for their children?
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That’s what I have been saying for a while…If they concentrated on improving their lives rather than trying to destroy Israel, they would be light-years ahead of where they are. But, alas, they rather go forward with this delusional ‘divine’ mission of killing as many Jews as possible.
People will try to blame Israel, but the plight of the palistinians is in palistinian hands, not Israeli.
[quote]lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
I think you under estimate his craziness and stupidity, but that call is not his. It is the ayatollahs’.
What are they gonna do? Throw stones at them? Summon Godzilla?[/quote]
Don’t be dense, you know damn well that Iran has a decent army and will soon have nukes. They wouldn’t win, but they could cause an awful lot of damage. Which, is fine with them I imagine.
[quote]Maccabee wrote:
As far as the crack on Zionism, I missed the part where we started a libelous thread on Arab doctrine.[/quote]
I fail to see what is wrong with Zionism. What is wrong with thinking Israel has a right to exist? I mean really, does it not have as much a right to exist as anybody else?
[quote]lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
I think you under estimate his craziness and stupidity, but that call is not his. It is the ayatollahs’.
What are they gonna do? Throw stones at them? Summon Godzilla?[/quote]
Maybe they will build a bunch of centrifuges and start refining uranium. And long range missiles.
[quote]swissrugby67 wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
I believe you assessment is correct. When you are beset on all sides by enemies who seek your destruction, you need help to hold your ground, and lots of it. If Israel shows any weakness whatsoever, they will be overrun in an instant.
Israel’s vulnerability is a myth. They could wipe the floor with anyone around them.
Israel have one of the best armies in the world it is true, but without some additional funding from the USA I don’t know if it could maintain such an active military programme.
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Agreed.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Maccabee wrote:
Some of the remarks on this thread are astounding, and expose an unfortunate and pitiable ignorance of historical events. Do you remember the state of affairs in Irag in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s (at least prior to June 1981)? No? Let me remind you-- France and Italy had been supplying Iraq with materials to build a nuclear reactor (a reactor that could produce weapons grade material for bombs). Of course, this reactor was allegedly built solely for energy production (right). Opponents to these proceedings suggested that Saddam Hussein would use the plutonium derived from this reactor to manufacture bombs. “Not so!” say the Western countries that bow down to the power of Arab oil. Much to the relief of the educated Western world, Israel bombed and destroyed the Facility on June 7, 1981. How do I know this? I guess it must be because I read. Hmmmmmm… Interesting…
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Who’s Maccabee? Where’s the post this was quoted from?
[i]But Israeli industry minister Eli Yishai has told Mr Carter he is willing to meet Hamas leaders to negotiate the release of prisoners held by the group.
His spokesman said Mr Yishai had passed the proposal to Mr Carter ahead of his trip to Syria, saying he was “ready to meet with all necessary Hamas members” - including Mr Meshaal - for talks. [/i]
Why is it that the OP’s story is giving Jimmy all the credit?
GKhan, learn to use Google.
http://www.T-Nation.com/tmagnum/myTNation.do?id=13270
And your second question should be addressed to tech support, not me.
[quote]lixy wrote:
[i]But Israeli industry minister Eli Yishai has told Mr Carter he is willing to meet Hamas leaders to negotiate the release of prisoners held by the group.
His spokesman said Mr Yishai had passed the proposal to Mr Carter ahead of his trip to Syria, saying he was “ready to meet with all necessary Hamas members” - including Mr Meshaal - for talks. [/i]
Why is it that the OP’s story is giving Jimmy all the credit?
GKhan, learn to use Google.
And your second question should be addressed to tech support, not me. [/quote]
Macabee has 3 total posts on T-Nation. All in a physique clinic thread. What are you doing?
[quote]Inner Hulk wrote:
Seriously, when did it become controversial to try and solve conflicts with discussion?[/quote]
Words matter.
Not only is he negotiating with terrorists, he’s giving credence to lies.
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2008/04/carter-lies-in-cairo.html
[quote]lixy wrote:
And your second question should be addressed to tech support, not me. [/quote]
No kidding capt. obvious. I didn’t think it was worth their time or mine.
Anyway, the guy had some good points.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
No kidding capt. obvious. I didn’t think it was worth their time or mine. [/quote]
Huh? It’s obviously worth your time since you asked.
Ok, any news on the meeting between Hamas and Carter?