[quote]thoughts1053 wrote:
The only time I sprint is when the buffet opens, lol.[/quote]
OBESITY KILLZ.
[quote]-LL- wrote:
My main point is that cardio can be a catalyst when it comes to putting on size.
A few things I notice when I …
I noticed these because I have gone through stages where I …
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I didn’t see the part where you posted pictures of your ‘bulk with cardio’ results (past or current). It would be cool if you were huge. I’d say “Whoa! You’re HUGE!”
Is competing a requisite for ‘bulking’ now? When did they pass that law?
[quote]thoughts1053 wrote:
The only time I sprint is when the buffet opens, lol.[/quote]
Dude, Vegas trip awhile back, OMG, busted a nut every morning to those buffets.
[quote]-LL- wrote:
A few things I notice when I am consistently adding in sprints, plyometrics, or another form of strength cardio are:
Faster recovery
Less soreness[/quote]You sure about that ?
I get sore as shit from sprints. Damn violent stretch.
I think there was a lot of good advice given here… Well done T-Nation.
My thoughts:
Hit HIIT twice a week, and eat more. Cardio is important in terms of health, not necessarily to reach your goals. Leaning out is mostly diet. There have been quite a few body builders / fitness models who don’t do cardio at all and stay lean enough through high volume training and diet… Then there are ones who do cardio every day. If you are getting fat while bulking, mess with your carb timing… Not necessarily just cardio amount. I found when I would have carbs at dinner, my BF pct would go up and it didn’t correspond properly to my weight gain. I eliminated carbs from my last meal and my BF stayed roughly the same and I continued to gain lean muscle. My amount of cardio did not change during that time.
If you don’t know enough about nutrition, spend a day reading up on it. You’ll make a ton of changes just by learning about what your body needs and when it needs it.
[quote]DTP88 wrote:
I think there was a lot of good advice given here… Well done T-Nation.
My thoughts:
Hit HIIT twice a week, and eat more. Cardio is important in terms of health, not necessarily to reach your goals. Leaning out is mostly diet. There have been quite a few body builders / fitness models who don’t do cardio at all and stay lean enough through high volume training and diet… Then there are ones who do cardio every day. If you are getting fat while bulking, mess with your carb timing… Not necessarily just cardio amount. I found when I would have carbs at dinner, my BF pct would go up and it didn’t correspond properly to my weight gain. I eliminated carbs from my last meal and my BF stayed roughly the same and I continued to gain lean muscle. My amount of cardio did not change during that time.
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This post is entirely too sensible.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
eh id say that the use of cardio impending a bulk would really depend on your body type, diet, and current level. If youre a skinny guy looking to add muscle, but arent eating enough for growth to even occur, and try to top it off with cardio, you’re going to be in for a long period of disappointment. Why dont you tell us about your body?[/quote]
damn dude, YOU should have played Conan!
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
eh id say that the use of cardio impending a bulk would really depend on your body type, diet, and current level. If youre a skinny guy looking to add muscle, but arent eating enough for growth to even occur, and try to top it off with cardio, you’re going to be in for a long period of disappointment. Why dont you tell us about your body?[/quote]
damn dude, YOU should have played Conan![/quote]
IM not very barbarian in height lol, im more dwarfish (5’9). They come out with a WoW movie and im calling Dibs on the Dwarf Warrior spot.
[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]thoughts1053 wrote:
The only time I sprint is when the buffet opens, lol.[/quote]
Dude, Vegas trip awhile back, OMG, busted a nut every morning to those buffets. [/quote]
I can imagine. Just going to a sushi buffet in Long Island is a riot. I was the first one in the restaurant and ome obese guy still beat me to the buffet…that’ll never happen again, lol.
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A few things I notice when I am consistently adding in sprints, plyometrics, or another form of strength cardio are:
Increased appetite
Faster recovery
Better work capacity/More intense workouts
Better Mood
I seem to digest food better
Less soreness[/quote]
Great. Unless “20” biceps" is included in that I am not sure the bigger picture is in view.
I get greater work capacity as well when I do cardio…but I also understand there are stages that go into being really big.
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I noticed these because I have gone through stages where I didnt’ want to do any extra work, out of the fear of not being able to grow. My results were not as good during these stages. Thankfully, I have been exposed to some very knowledgeable and experienced people over my training career who showed me a better way. [/quote]
That’s great and I am glad you are seeing progress…but everyone isn’t made like you…therefore, everyone won’t find that their results aren’t as good when size is the main focus above all else.
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I appreciate your response to this. However, I’m not just pulling my own experience, but also that of training partners/clients/etc.
I’ve been around long enough to know that there are an infinite number of ways to reach specific goals, and everyone responds to training/diet differently.
My philosophy is based around bodybuilding being a healthy obsession, and one in which longevity is as important as anything else.
Yes, when I was in my early twenties, I ate everything I coudld get my hands on, and the scale responded. Would I be where I am today if I didn’t take such a drastic approach? I don’t know…
I just think there is a better way. The resources available today far exceed what I could get my hands on in the mid-late 90s and the supplementation isn’t even close. If there is one thing I preach constantly, it is that you have to train smart if you want to last.
[quote]-LL- wrote:
I appreciate your response to this. However, I’m not just pulling my own experience, but also that of training partners/clients/etc.
I’ve been around long enough to know that there are an infinite number of ways to reach specific goals, and everyone responds to training/diet differently.
My philosophy is based around bodybuilding being a healthy obsession, and one in which longevity is as important as anything else.
Yes, when I was in my early twenties, I ate everything I coudld get my hands on, and the scale responded. Would I be where I am today if I didn’t take such a drastic approach? I don’t know…
I just think there is a better way. The resources available today far exceed what I could get my hands on in the mid-late 90s and the supplementation isn’t even close. If there is one thing I preach constantly, it is that you have to train smart if you want to last.
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I think that is where you are mistaken. Yous ee, at it’s base, bodybuilding doesn’t really have jack to do with health. It really doesn’t…like AT ALL. Your health does not depend on you haveing 18" arms.
Your health does not depend on you building a chest so big you only fit into XL shirts or larger.
Your health does not depend on squatting 2-3 times what most people weigh or building your quads to over 29".
I understand that My goal is to not make this any more unhealthy than I havee to to reach a goal…but am also going to be realistic.
The bottom line is, if your goal is all out super health, don’t get into bodybuilding specifically.
Yeah, you can gear your own training so that it isn’t so unhealthy and do it whatever way you want.
But why make blanket statement for others when those statements go against what we know helped build some of the most massive bodies on the planet?
Depending on the incline that “Cardio” can be decent or do nothing for you. Most of the bodybuilders at 250+ have to worry about the joint stress of steady state cardio, so they need something like walking with a high incline. Otherwise if walking for 30 min at 3mph with anything under 2 incline does anything for you, I think you should really switch your training around.