Cardio Necessary For Fat Loss?

Currently into my 7th month of bulking, going from 228 to 263 at 6’4". I was hoping to be able to go all the way to about 280 but i’m getting too fat and can’t fit into any of my pants (waist went from 36 to 42). I’m ready to start slimming down to 250ish but not really looking forward to running or HIT/interval training.

Is it possible to keep most of the newly gained muscle and lose fat just by dieting down to about 4000-4500 cals/day (now doing about 4500-5000 cals/day)? Any ideas as to what would work best in terms of volume/intensity?
Any input greatly appreciated!
catone

Been a while since I have done this, but I had success with meltdown training.

http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=237melt2

or if you want the beta page:

http://beta.T-Nation.com/readArticle.do?id=459809&cr=

This is also a meltdown II and III, just search.

[quote]catone wrote:
Currently into my 7th month of bulking, going from 228 to 263 at 6’4". I was hoping to be able to go all the way to about 280 but i’m getting too fat and can’t fit into any of my pants (waist went from 36 to 42). I’m ready to start slimming down to 250ish but not really looking forward to running or HIT/interval training.

Is it possible to keep most of the newly gained muscle and lose fat just by dieting down to about 4000-4500 cals/day (now doing about 4500-5000 cals/day)? Any ideas as to what would work best in terms of volume/intensity?
Any input greatly appreciated!
catone[/quote]

For me doing guerilla cardio, and cycling my carbs seems to work pretty well, but as long as you get enough protein and don’t cut the carbs and fat below the point where the body starts to burn muscle tissue, the important thing is to generate calory deficit of about 500 every day.

How you do it is less of an issue. Personally I like to do some cardio both because it’s good for the heart and respiratory system, and because I hate to feel hungry.

If you haven’t tried it, guerilla cardio works as follows, and it only takes about fifteen minutes:

Warm up at about 50% intensity for five minutes. Do eight 20 second intevals at full speed with only 10 second breaks. Then warm down for five minutes. The type of activity you choose doesn’t really matter as long as it’s intense. You don’t burn a lot when you’re doing this, but afterwards your metabolism will speed up for twelve to eighteen hours.

Good luck!

[quote]catone wrote:
Currently into my 7th month of bulking, going from 228 to 263 at 6’4". I was hoping to be able to go all the way to about 280 but i’m getting too fat and can’t fit into any of my pants (waist went from 36 to 42). I’m ready to start slimming down to 250ish but not really looking forward to running or HIT/interval training.

Is it possible to keep most of the newly gained muscle and lose fat just by dieting down to about 4000-4500 cals/day (now doing about 4500-5000 cals/day)? Any ideas as to what would work best in terms of volume/intensity?
Any input greatly appreciated!
catone[/quote]

It looks like you have gained 35 lbs in 7 months. Thats 5 lbs a month or a surlus of about 600 calories per day. You probably need to cut a little more if you want to reverse that.

If you want to lose bodyfat and improve your over all health cardio is a must in my opinion. If you want to keep your muscle and lose fat, check out http://www.vizualxcellence.com

The guy who runs this is called swolecat, he sells diet, lifting and fat loss program that is well worth the money $ 250 to 300. Once you buy it you can use it over and over again if need be. I actually found out about him from an article that was published on this site.

Good luck…

At one time I would ride my bicycle to work, 4 l/2 miles, shower, and work a shift. That night I would run home. The next day I reversed the process. I worked 7 on, 2 off, 6 on, 2 off, 7 on, then a 4 day weekend. Did that for a six month summer. On the days off I had a circuit of 10 or 12 weight exerecises. Worked well for me. I still thought I was fat, but I was the only person in the world who thought that.

Another time I would get up early AM, do a weight circuit, and 20 minutes on the ski machine. That evening there was a stairway of 162 steps. I would go up the steps, take a cold drink, and repeat the process. I was doing this 6 times in about 45 minutes.

[quote]Over40 wrote:
If you want to lose bodyfat and improve your over all health cardio is a must in my opinion. If you want to keep your muscle and lose fat, check out http://www.vizualxcellence.com

The guy who runs this is called swolecat, he sells diet, lifting and fat loss program that is well worth the money $ 250 to 300. Once you buy it you can use it over and over again if need be. I actually found out about him from an article that was published on this site.

Good luck…[/quote]

I bought both the SGX and SUP2 programs from SC about two years ago. SGX worked wonders but his SUP2 bulking program did not do squat for me. Keep in mind everyone responds differently to different programs. The thing I didn’t like about his “consultations” were that they were mostly one word answers to my in depth questions. For the $500 I spent on him, he sure didn’t give me much support. I think a fair price for his programs would be more like $100 each, considering the amount of effort put into his responses. Let’s face it, anyone can put together a great program. He was offering “unlimited” consulations, but maybe he spread himself too thin to respond with anything of great value. No knocks on SC himself, he’s obviously got his shit in order.

No, cardio is not necessary, and this site has fat loss programs that I’ve used and lost fat with and without energy-system work. But if you’re not going to do cardio, then your lifting will need to work your heart rate (meaning less than 60 seconds of rest between sets) to get as much benefit as doing cardio after workouts with longer rest between sets.

Get some clen and cytomel.

There’s never a way to get around the calories in vs. calories out equation. For a really effective fat loss program, you need to think about what you’re doing on both sides of that equation, not just one side.

“Cardio” is about the calories out side. If you do the standard steady state so-called “fat burning” type of cardio, it works because of the different energy pathways your body has for producing energy and it’s the steady state level that favors the fat metabolism pathway. Unfortunately, that is only true while you’re actually doing the cardio and it also fails to take into account that your body doesn’t just use one pathway at a time. A much better choice is high intensity interval training because not only does it burn calories while you’re doing it, it also helps keep your basal metabolic rate from falling and that means you burn more calories every minute of every day. So if you’re serious about fat loss, high intensity interval training is going to make easier. Also on this side of the equation is your training style. Not so much because of calorie burning (but adjusting for that is a good idea) but that if you do really intense muscle bombing workouts, your restricted calorie state will make it difficult for you to recover quickly and if your rate of muscle breakdown exceeds your rate of muscle synthesis, then your workouts are going to cause you to lose muscle, not make muscle and that is not a good thing. Proper peri-workout nutrition can help a lot here. So for fat loss, you’re better off training in the high rep ranges and maybe substituting a cardio day for a weight lifting day now and then.

On the calories in side of the equation, if you have a typical high protein, low carb, diet that many of us do and you stay with that in calorie restriction, your body will become “protein adapted” and it will favor protein as an energy source. Obviously this is not a good thing because your body needs to make up for the missing calories by consuming itself and if it is protein adapted, it is going to favor consuming protein (your muscles) over consuming its fat. So as strange as it may seem, lowering your protein percentage of calories and raising your fat percentage of calories will help you to become “fat adapted” so your body favors fat as an energy source. I’m not saying to cut out protein, I’m just saying that you need to shift the percentages around so that you’re getting more calories from fat than from protein. Remember that you’re not trying to lose weight, you’re trying to lose fat and doing the things that allow you to keep the muscle you have while in calorie restriction are not the same things you do when you’re trying to add new muscle and are in calorie balance. Don’t forget that you’re still counting calories and keeping in calorie deficit. As long as you stay in calorie deficit, you’re going to lose weight, even if the only things you ate were snickers bars. Obviously, the snickers diet isn’t a healthy diet, so you need to stay with a good, solid, nutrition program, you just will want to shift the percentages around a bit. And when I talk about the fat in your diet, I mean a healthy mix of saturated, mono-unsaturated and poly-unsaturated fats.

On the cutting calories side, if you cut too many calories, you’ll go into starvation response and that is a very bad thing because when you’re in starvation response, your body will gladly sacrifice muscle to keep as much fat as it can. Eating every two to three hours will also help inhibit the starvation response.

The whole bulking cycle and cutting cycle thing has pretty much been dropped these days. Most guys try to stay in the 10% to 12% range all the time and get down into single digits when necessary. There is no point in letting yourself get much above 12%… ever.