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33 pages? Holy shit. I won’t read all of them but wanted to come over here after being tipped off about the thread and see if I might be able to answer some questions. I always get concerned when questions about SkipLoading come up and other people are answering them. Not that they can’t be answered correctly by other people BUT… I think we can all agree that we have seen programs bastardized and I don’t want mine to be.
Any questions hit me and from what I have seen from the site so far, it looks great.
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And can someone get me some status around here? I want a cool saying or an avatar or something. lol
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[quote]Ken Skip Hill wrote:
33 pages? Holy shit. I won’t read all of them but wanted to come over here after being tipped off about the thread and see if I might be able to answer some questions. I always get concerned when questions about SkipLoading come up and other people are answering them. Not that they can’t be answered correctly by other people BUT… I think we can all agree that we have seen programs bastardized and I don’t want mine to be.
Any questions hit me and from what I have seen from the site so far, it looks great.
Skip
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Hey Skip nice to have you here. Regarding your Skiploading what do you think is the minimal amount of hours you’d have someone refeed? I only did 6 hours last week from 8am-2pm and took in 5000 calories and ~850-900g of carbs and the next morning I was only 2.6lb. heavier but I didn’t even come that close to baselining until this morning (thursday) and I think that’s only because I added a glycogen depletion workout yesterday. I do not look any leaner now either.
What would you suggest?
By the way I’m going very low calorie during the week (17-1800) with about 180-200g protein, 90g fat, and 30g carbs with 50 min. of cardio every day
[quote]Ken Skip Hill wrote:
And can someone get me some status around here? I want a cool saying or an avatar or something. lol
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Lol. It is an honor to see you on this site skip…Be wary here though, some 150 lbers might try to teach you something if you give them advice deriving from commen sense.
[quote]ajweins wrote:
Ken Skip Hill wrote:
And can someone get me some status around here? I want a cool saying or an avatar or something. lol
Skip
Lol. It is an honor to see you on this site skip…Be wary here though, some 150 lbers might try to teach you something if you give them advice deriving from commen sense.[/quote]
I am cautious and watch for that whenever I venture out so that I don’t get into too many scuffles. 
It will keep me on my toes.
Skip
[quote]David1991 wrote:
Ken Skip Hill wrote:
33 pages? Holy shit. I won’t read all of them but wanted to come over here after being tipped off about the thread and see if I might be able to answer some questions. I always get concerned when questions about SkipLoading come up and other people are answering them. Not that they can’t be answered correctly by other people BUT… I think we can all agree that we have seen programs bastardized and I don’t want mine to be.
Any questions hit me and from what I have seen from the site so far, it looks great.
Skip
Hey Skip nice to have you here. Regarding your Skiploading what do you think is the minimal amount of hours you’d have someone refeed? I only did 6 hours last week from 8am-2pm and took in 5000 calories and ~850-900g of carbs and the next morning I was only 2.6lb. heavier but I didn’t even come that close to baselining until this morning (thursday) and I think that’s only because I added a glycogen depletion workout yesterday. I do not look any leaner now either.
What would you suggest?
By the way I’m going very low calorie during the week (17-1800) with about 180-200g protein, 90g fat, and 30g carbs with 50 min. of cardio every day[/quote]
I saw your post on my board but I avoided it like the plague. lol You seem like an overanalyzer from what I have gathered when I skim your posts because you get some good answers to your questions but it never seems like it satisfies you much - like there is a perfect answer out there and, damn it, you are going to go until you get it.
I can respect that you are trying to learn all you can about my loading protocol but you said something about not baselining by Thursday and yet I responded in that very thread that “Thursday” doesn’t matter. It matters that you baseline and fall below baseline by the time the next refeed comes around. After you posted this same question above after I already responded to you about the Thursday baseline, I didn’t bother to respond again. I am retardedly busy so I try not to post redundantly.
To answer your question about how small I go with refeeds: It can go down to 1 meal every 2 weeks if need be but it rarely gets that extreme. However, everyone is different and you basically have 2 options: experiment and find out what works for you or dig deep and work with me.
Skip
Nice to have you here Skip and thanks for all the little bits of knowledge you’ve spoken about on various boards over the years.
Getting Unshredded - Day 6 - 171lbs - 7.8%BF (weight at end of GSD 167lbs - 8.8%BF)
I was slightly surprised to see a 4lb rebound after a week since ending 9 weeks on the GSD. I have kept calories, and especially carbs, very low this week (likely keto) due to the fact I have had almost five days off to let the body recover. I kept protein intake higher. I also walked around 4 miles most days, did foam roller work and stretching. Last night I did a mobility circuit following my walk focusing on core, shoulders, etc. Tomorrow it is back to the iron with a vengance.
I say slightly surprised with the weight gain because I look and feel as lean as I was at 167lbs. My bicep is up 1/8th following the inactivity period, although my waist is also up 1/4ins. Abs still very prominant with good vascularity around the core area. I take the Tantita BC-545 readings with a tankard of salt, even though they are supposed to be the most accurate bio-impedance scales on the market. However, it’s still in the right area.
I, therefore, believe the protein pulsing protocol I have been following for 24 days is postively affecting body comp. I pulse with whey hydrolysate and leucine 30 mins before breakfast and have another as a replacement lunch. I eat four meals per day, with the two evening meals being the most calorie dense. I’m averaging 2400-2500kcals a day from P+F.
From tomorrow it’s back to strength training 3 times per week with a metabolic component tagged on to the end of each session. Post-WO cardio will be dropped but I’ll still try and walk a bit on off days.
Diet-wise, I’ll still retain the low carb approach throughout the day and add CHO peri-WO. This week that will equate to around 70g total. I will work that up in subsequent weeks until I find my optimum intke. Loads will therefore no longer be necessary, although I’ll still have a few cheat items on a Saturday evening for the sake of sanity. This also works well because I do a total-body workout on the Sunday.
[quote]Ken Skip Hill wrote:
I saw your post on my board but I avoided it like the plague. lol You seem like an overanalyzer from what I have gathered when I skim your posts because you get some good answers to your questions but it never seems like it satisfies you much - like there is a perfect answer out there and, damn it, you are going to go until you get it.
I can respect that you are trying to learn all you can about my loading protocol but you said something about not baselining by Thursday and yet I responded in that very thread that “Thursday” doesn’t matter. It matters that you baseline and fall below baseline by the time the next refeed comes around. After you posted this same question above after I already responded to you about the Thursday baseline, I didn’t bother to respond again. I am retardedly busy so I try not to post redundantly.
To answer your question about how small I go with refeeds: It can go down to 1 meal every 2 weeks if need be but it rarely gets that extreme. However, everyone is different and you basically have 2 options: experiment and find out what works for you or dig deep and work with me.
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I guess I made another post because I knew I wasn’t going to baseline, let alone lose weight. I even added in 2 “myth-inspired” MetCon workouts the last 2 days and this morning I weighed in at 1/2lb heavier than last week.
Do you ever suggest using HIIT type workouts/MetCon workouts while on such low carbs/calories? I ask because my body seems very resilient to fat loss and the lowest bf I’ve been was while adding HIIT (albeit with more daily carbs in my diet). Although I woke up 1/2lb heavier this morning my overall caliper measurements were slightly down making me think the MetCon workouts helped with that over just walking on the treadmill. Arm measurements still the same and strength is the same so I don’t think it caused any muscle loss.
I wouldn’t do hiit on this low cal/carb. If you’re trying to retain muscle mass you want to be able to work as hard as you can on lifting days. Hiit will compromise your lifting days. In my personal experience, fat loss is also worse on this kind of deficit with hiit. I get better results with low intensity stuff.
Play with the diet. People respond differently. What works for one guys isn’t necessarily going to work for you within the structure of the diet. Go with smaller refeeds or space them out to 10 days or 2 weeks and see what results you get. To me, the experimentation is part of the “fun” of this program.
[quote]HulkSmash7 wrote:
I wouldn’t do hiit on this low cal/carb. If you’re trying to retain muscle mass you want to be able to work as hard as you can on lifting days. Hiit will compromise your lifting days. In my personal experience, fat loss is also worse on this kind of deficit with hiit. I get better results with low intensity stuff.
Play with the diet. People respond differently. What works for one guys isn’t necessarily going to work for you within the structure of the diet. Go with smaller refeeds or space them out to 10 days or 2 weeks and see what results you get. To me, the experimentation is part of the “fun” of this program.[/quote]
Typically I would agree but I did 2 full body HIIT workouts last week and lost no strength and seemed to get some good results. Like you said it’s important to experiment so I think I’ll keep it in this week and see how it goes
Full body HIIT as in complex, crossfit, circuit type of workout? Personally I call those lactate producing workouts. By HIIT I meant sprint intervals or something of that nature. I sometimes do a lactate producing workout while carb cycling and also find that they are beneficial. Sprint intervals however, at least for me, do not work very well. They seem to give less fat loss than low intensity cardio and hamper my efforts in the gym. Again, do what works for you though.
[quote]HulkSmash7 wrote:
Full body HIIT as in complex, crossfit, circuit type of workout? Personally I call those lactate producing workouts. By HIIT I meant sprint intervals or something of that nature. I sometimes do a lactate producing workout while carb cycling and also find that they are beneficial. Sprint intervals however, at least for me, do not work very well. They seem to give less fat loss than low intensity cardio and hamper my efforts in the gym. Again, do what works for you though.[/quote]
Yes I did mean circuit/crossfit/MetCon type workouts. So yea basically like you said, “lactate workouts”. In a sense it does make sense for me to do them because in typical keto there are glycogen depletion workouts. My strength workouts are all pretty low rep and long rest so I think keeping in these “lactate workouts” will help deplete glycogen before my next refeed.
Hey guys,
If I will be going away for like 45 days and won’t have the opportunity to workout properly at a gym,
What things can I do while carb cycling to keep all my muscle and maintain my body fat around 10-13%? I am so afraid of all that junk that I will be “forced” to eat due to the lack of options.
And also, how can I addapt my diet? I mean I won’t be working out so when should I have my high carb days?
Haha i know i sound like a total fag, but I have had/ still have problems with food addiction and bulimia and I have to eat low cal food all day (I mean all day) with tons of artificial sweetener, just so that I can make it through the day. If I don’t have access to low cal tasty food, i ll obssess about food all day and binge later. That’s why i am asking, FOOD became my life 
it’s too hard to change alone btw… just for those who think it is easy.
[quote]Aprentice wrote:
Hey guys,
If I will be going away for like 45 days and won’t have the opportunity to workout properly at a gym,
What things can I do while carb cycling to keep all my muscle and maintain my body fat around 10-13%? I am so afraid of all that junk that I will be “forced” to eat due to the lack of options.
And also, how can I addapt my diet? I mean I won’t be working out so when should I have my high carb days?
Haha i know i sound like a total fag, but I have had/ still have problems with food addiction and bulimia and I have to eat low cal food all day (I mean all day) with tons of artificial sweetener, just so that I can make it through the day. If I don’t have access to low cal tasty food, i ll obssess about food all day and binge later. That’s why i am asking, FOOD became my life
it’s too hard to change alone btw… just for those who think it is easy.[/quote]
I just shot you the follow up PM.
[quote]Aprentice wrote:
Hey guys,
If I will be going away for like 45 days and won’t have the opportunity to workout properly at a gym,
What things can I do while carb cycling to keep all my muscle and maintain my body fat around 10-13%? I am so afraid of all that junk that I will be “forced” to eat due to the lack of options.
And also, how can I addapt my diet? I mean I won’t be working out so when should I have my high carb days?
Haha i know i sound like a total fag, but I have had/ still have problems with food addiction and bulimia and I have to eat low cal food all day (I mean all day) with tons of artificial sweetener, just so that I can make it through the day. If I don’t have access to low cal tasty food, i ll obssess about food all day and binge later. That’s why i am asking, FOOD became my life
it’s too hard to change alone btw… just for those who think it is easy.[/quote]
I can relate to this. I became somewhat obsessive for some time, I guess I still am.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with learning lots, weighing food, paying attention to every detail of your diet and how it ties into training - BUT, it does depend on your motivations and thought processes. With me I became obsessed with artificial ingredients, y’know, sweeteners, flavours, preservatives, crap like sodium laureth sulfate in soaps and toothpastes (I even found it in a pancake mix that my friend had!).
Then I became more focused on body image issues and I’m not totally afraid of artificial stuff now (I still RARELY touch the stuff though) but I’m… ah, fuck it, I’ll just end up turning this post into a rant about this kinda thing - Orthorexia etc…
Basically, you’re not alone man.
shuts up and backs away
Thanks!
I am 100 % addicted to artificial stuff.
Like i add it to everything and i am sure i consume like 10-20x the recommended daily dose. I am gonna have a heart attack or some weitd mutation soon.
I feel comfortable being obssessive and eating low cal stuff all day so that I don’t have to think about food in between meals. But, I am only 17 (as from today lol) Food can’t take up 99% of my time. I need to study, keep up the A grades, write my college applications… And I have too many “normal friends” that wouldn’t understand.
ANYWAY, never mind my post! It’s changing the purpose of the thread. This thread is a gold mine for Carb Cycling freaks, so let’s keep it that way shall we?
oh, just turning back to my question:
If I am unable to workout for like 90 days and I am carb cycling,
What days/ order should my high carb/ moderate carb/ low carb be in? Should I have high carb days at all since I won’t be training?
And also, what are your thoughts on alcohol? I know it’s really bad and all, but If i were to get completely hammered, what carb cycling day would be best to reduce the impact on body fat?
I am not a fan of HIIT cardio for bodybuilding purposes. I work with professional athletes and high level amateurs for sport specific conditioning and in that case, HIIT has it’s place. For what you are talking about, though, my answer is no.
I also think that experimentation is a good idea BUT … don’t get too caught up on making decisions on whether something works or not after only one or two weeks. Just because you didn’t lose strength last week doesn’t mean you aren’t already overtraining. I am not saying that you are but it can certainly take longer than a week to show signs of overtraining. Even then, guys like yourself usually ignore them for another couple weeks. Not picking on you but being serious.
As for the guys that posted about eating disorders: I can appreciate that you are “backing away” from the topic in this thread to keep it on track but you should talk about these issues as much as possible. I cringed when the one guy said he was 17 and then went on to talk about having to get As and “my friends wouldn’t understand”, etc…
I am no Dr Phil but I lost a friend to anorexia just out of high school and she was gorgeous and had great grades and was great in sports - basically, she was a perfectionist and her disease was more about control than anything, I believe. She literally starved herself to death. It was very sad to watch and nobody could do anything for her.
I would enocourage you to talk to someone - your parents, your friends, your friend’s parents, somebody. It is serious business and you are only 17.
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