Carbs Cycling Experience

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[quote]Scorzerci wrote:
What would you guys say are the advantages/disadvantages of carb cycling the way that is outlined in CT’s “Carb Cycling Codex” (2/3 low days, 2/3 mid days and 2 high days), versus the way that seems to be the focus of this thread (6 low days, 1 massive refeed day)? The impression I get is that the method used in this thread would lead to faster fat loss, however from what I gather the method outlined in the Carb Cycling Codex could actually lead to some muscle gain despite somewhat slower fat loss.[/quote]

Anyone?

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[quote]Scorzerci wrote:
Scorzerci wrote:
What would you guys say are the advantages/disadvantages of carb cycling the way that is outlined in CT’s “Carb Cycling Codex” (2/3 low days, 2/3 mid days and 2 high days), versus the way that seems to be the focus of this thread (6 low days, 1 massive refeed day)? The impression I get is that the method used in this thread would lead to faster fat loss, however from what I gather the method outlined in the Carb Cycling Codex could actually lead to some muscle gain despite somewhat slower fat loss.

Anyone?[/quote]

Was my answer not good enough?

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[quote]ajweins wrote:
Scorzerci wrote:
Scorzerci wrote:
What would you guys say are the advantages/disadvantages of carb cycling the way that is outlined in CT’s “Carb Cycling Codex” (2/3 low days, 2/3 mid days and 2 high days), versus the way that seems to be the focus of this thread (6 low days, 1 massive refeed day)? The impression I get is that the method used in this thread would lead to faster fat loss, however from what I gather the method outlined in the Carb Cycling Codex could actually lead to some muscle gain despite somewhat slower fat loss.

Anyone?

Was my answer not good enough?[/quote]
Oh snap, I seem to have missed your post! Thanks for the response.

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After my 1600 grams of carb refeed last saturday I am still not at baseline (+2.5lbs). At least now I know. I am going to cut it in have this week with 700-800 grams and see how it goes. However, my workouts in the gym have been a lot more productive. Maybe that is just cuz I added 50 grams of carbs PWO and decreased my fat intake of the day to keep calories constant.

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I know most here are on a cyclic ketogenic diet, but has anyone tried Mike Roussell’s Carb Cycling for idiots, and if so, what have your results been like?

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Im going to read through this, PROMISE, (on page 8 now) but just wanted to chime in and announce Ill be contributing some info. Im currently on the AD now and I like my refeed to start during my Saturday W/O (with left over Fuel) and going on through Sunday. Im currently trying to add size (currently reading Waterbury’s Huge in a Hurry).

So what Im going to do, diet wise, is eat a couple hundred cals below maintenance and then eat all the carbs in the world come during/PWO saturday-Sunday to make up for lack of cals on the weekdays. I chose this because on refeeds I become a blackhole and I seriously just get high from eating carbs and keep going and going! So I figured Id let that take over for my few hundred calorie deficit on weekdays. Make sense? Or am I nuts?

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[quote]ajweins wrote:
After my 1600 grams of carb refeed last saturday I am still not at baseline (+2.5lbs). At least now I know. I am going to cut it in have this week with 700-800 grams and see how it goes. However, my workouts in the gym have been a lot more productive. Maybe that is just cuz I added 50 grams of carbs PWO and decreased my fat intake of the day to keep calories constant.[/quote]

I’m surprised. The last 2 Christmas’s I would go wild on all food, tons of fat and carbs (and protein I’m sure), I’m sure 2 years ago was 10,000+ calories but by the end of the week i was at the same weight. This was after about 11-12 weeks of dieting though and that week I did my workouts with 2 daily cardio sessions (only low intensity because I was so tired of HIIT at that point) but thats not really that different from what your doing I don’t think. Obviously that type of cheat day isn’t something I’d do often at all though.

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I uploaded some diet progress pics in my profile if anyone is interested. I am almost 8 full weeks in though it feels like an eternity.

I still got the spare tire around my gut and will keep the diet til its gone. However, I may slowly bridge into a more conservative carb cycling approach to get the last bit of it. I have been having a lot better workouts since I added some PWO carbs while maintaining cals by lowering my fat for the day. Going keto all week was pretty brutal.

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Hi peolpe.
Just wanted to give big props to all who have contributed to this thread but especially to the originators–it is a fuckin goldmine of info.
Cheers.

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[quote]ajweins wrote:
I uploaded some diet progress pics in my profile if anyone is interested. I am almost 8 full weeks in though it feels like an eternity.

I still got the spare tire around my gut and will keep the diet til its gone. However, I may slowly bridge into a more conservative carb cycling approach to get the last bit of it. I have been having a lot better workouts since I added some PWO carbs while maintaining cals by lowering my fat for the day. Going keto all week was pretty brutal.[/quote]

About your pics,Great Progress man!

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[quote]crankMAN wrote:
ajweins wrote:
I uploaded some diet progress pics in my profile if anyone is interested. I am almost 8 full weeks in though it feels like an eternity.

I still got the spare tire around my gut and will keep the diet til its gone. However, I may slowly bridge into a more conservative carb cycling approach to get the last bit of it. I have been having a lot better workouts since I added some PWO carbs while maintaining cals by lowering my fat for the day. Going keto all week was pretty brutal.

About your pics,Great Progress man!
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X2 you look awesome, no homo. Can you give a run-down of the whole “dieting” from week to week or something of that sort. How much fat you lost e.t.c. Thanks.

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Ajweins…

Great job. You’re looking realll good. Solid and lean. You’re going to be shredded by the end of this whole diet.

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[quote]ajweins wrote:
I uploaded some diet progress pics in my profile if anyone is interested. I am almost 8 full weeks in though it feels like an eternity.

I still got the spare tire around my gut and will keep the diet til its gone. However, I may slowly bridge into a more conservative carb cycling approach to get the last bit of it. I have been having a lot better workouts since I added some PWO carbs while maintaining cals by lowering my fat for the day. Going keto all week was pretty brutal.[/quote]

Excellent work mate.

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aj - Cracking progress mate, especially for your height! How much fat are you looking to lose still?

I posted this before, but with Shelby arriving, I think it got lost so…

As it seems the new ideal for fat loss is 6 low, 1 high, which suits me fine! I quite enjoy low carbing it.

My low diet is going to be

B:3 whole eggs, 2 slices salami, 1 slice cheese, 50g protein shake w/water, 1/4 cup almonds
S-100g tuna, sliced cucumber/100g strip steak and green pepper, 1tbsp EVOO
L-Chicken breast/breast and a half, mixed salad, 3 tbsp EVOO
S-100g tuna, sliced cucumber/100g strip steak and green pepper, 1tbsp EVOO
PWO-30g Whey/30g WMS/5g BCAA/5g Creapure
D-Lean meat, veggies/salad
S-50g Protein Shake w/water + 2g Xanthan Gum, 1/2 cup almonds

Now, i understand on a high day your meant to keep fat to a minimum, but I love my almonds! How does this grab you for the ‘high’ day

B-1 cup oats with milk+jam, protein shake, banana
S-Tuna/steak wrap
L-Chicken Sandwiches
S-Tuna/steak wrap
PWO-30g Whey/30g WMS/5g BCAA/5g Creapure
D-Chicken/Steak/Fish with mashed potatoes
S-Shake and almonds

Really reluctant to have carbs in the last meal of the day, but will the almonds be a bad idea? Its basically a P/F meal, which is always a favourite, the rest are clear P/C meals.

I train full body 3x a week(M/W/F), 2x cardio(Tu/Sa). I was thinking high day on Monday, with baseline established that morning to work on progress etc.

Until I work out my tolerances I dont want to go mad with the refeed/high day. Protein is basically the same on both days, around 300g @ 208lbs roughly 18%.

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Here is an outline of what I have done to diet. Not all of it was carb-cycling…but I feel I have been the most successful when implementing some form of it.

March 9- Started the V-Diet of all things. Only got 3 weeks into it though before I started to think I was losing muscle and my metabolism slowed. Also, one of the main reasons I switched is that I really didn’t like the training program. I feel it gave me a good jumpstart to the diet though. After 2 weeks I was sick of it and decided to switch to the GSD since I realized I wanted a fairly long term diet. I ended the V-Diet with a chinese buffet and on around March 23 I began Berardi’s Get Shredded diet.

March 23-Last Saturday: Followed the GSD while training about 5 days a week with a body part split. I also started at 30 minutes of fasted cardio around 5-6 days a week at an intensity of about 120-130 bpm. I worked my way up every week to where I am putting in an hour of fasted cardio currently.

Last Saturday-Current: Felt terrible on GSD so I am switching to a 6 low day/1 high day weekly carb cycling plan. Cals are still at BWx10 during the week but I upped protein to about 1.3-1.4grams/lb, lowered fats to 50 grams a day and now have around 60 grams of carbs PWO in addition to carbs from green veggies. Tomorrow is my high day and I am planning on around 800 grams of carbs since I overdid it last week (still 2 lbs above baseline but strength us up and looking leaner so I don’t care)

Overall my starting weight was around 215. I am now around 190. Strength is up on some exercises and down slightly on some of the heavy CNS intensive exercises. However, I am starting my EC+yohimbine stack again next week and I really seem to respond well to that fat loss wise and energy wise.

Future plan- continue with what I am doing for probably 2-3 more weeks. I may have 5 hour cheat period instead of a refeed as my body has not had carbs and fat together since the beginning of the diet and guys at IM have said its ok to switch it up once and awhile. I am craving pizza buffet :). After 2-3 weeks I may add about 200 grams of carbs every day for a week to give my mind and body a break. This should only put me at around maintenance levels so I should not put on much if any fat. Then I plan on giving myself another 6-8 weeks of my 6 low/1 high rotation to get really lean and then I will slowly start adding in moderate and high days to start gaining.

Any questions or clarifications are welcome.

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ajweins

Which part of the dieting would you say you lost the most fat apart from the V-diet?

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I would say the GSD is the best as far as extreme fat loss diets go. I enjoyed eating food rather than shakes in the v diet. I lost just as much fat per amount of time on GSD as I did on V-Diet. However, I realize that these are very extreme diets and should be used as such. I really don’t plan on ever using that strict of a diet again.

I feel it is better to slowly drop 1-2 lbs a week with a normal carb cycling approach. However, I got impatient and thought I would try some extreme measures. I also learned that as you get leaner the more extreme diets are a lot harder to follow as your workouts start to really drag.

This is another plus of carb cycling, you don’t feel nearly as crappy. My advice is never to let yourself go enough to where you need a extreme diet. I also think the slower you lose the weight, the easier it is to avoid muscle loss.

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[quote]ajweins wrote:
I would say the GSD is the best as far as extreme fat loss diets go. I enjoyed eating food rather than shakes in the v diet. I lost just as much fat per amount of time on GSD as I did on V-Diet. However, I realize that these are very extreme diets and should be used as such. I really don’t plan on ever using that strict of a diet again.

I feel it is better to slowly drop 1-2 lbs a week with a normal carb cycling approach. However, I got impatient and thought I would try some extreme measures. I also learned that as you get leaner the more extreme diets are a lot harder to follow as your workouts start to really drag.

This is another plus of carb cycling, you don’t feel nearly as crappy. My advice is never to let yourself go enough to where you need a extreme diet. I also think the slower you lose the weight, the easier it is to avoid muscle loss.[/quote]

Yea it’s the impatient part that kills me lol. I don’t have much fat to lose but 2lbs a week just seems soooooo boring. Then again all I want to lose is 5-10 lbs of fat. Maybe I’ll end up doing the Rapid Fat Loss diet which is deff extreme but only takes about 2 weeks for the amount of fat I want to lose.

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[quote]bkmacky9288 wrote:
Im going to read through this, PROMISE, (on page 8 now) but just wanted to chime in and announce Ill be contributing some info. Im currently on the AD now and I like my refeed to start during my Saturday W/O (with left over Fuel) and going on through Sunday. Im currently trying to add size (currently reading Waterbury’s Huge in a Hurry).

So what Im going to do, diet wise, is eat a couple hundred cals below maintenance and then eat all the carbs in the world come during/PWO saturday-Sunday to make up for lack of cals on the weekdays. I chose this because on refeeds I become a blackhole and I seriously just get high from eating carbs and keep going and going! So I figured Id let that take over for my few hundred calorie deficit on weekdays. Make sense? Or am I nuts?[/quote]

I would just like to Bump my inquery. Because Id like to get some insight/opinions before I start tomorrow

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just found out I shouldn’t have been eating all that butternut squash!! Damn…