Generally I don’t recommend using both HOT-ROX and Carbolin 19 each at max dose. In general if liking HOT-ROX at 2 capsules twice per day, then there’s no need to add the Carbolin 19 product as Carbolin 19 is already being covered.
This kind of confuses me since HOT-ROX contains Carbolin 19 couldn’t you just buy the HOT-ROX then? There must be something else that the actual standalone Carbolin 19 is offering.
If the goal was to spare as much as lean muscle as possible while dropping bodyfat in an either or situation which of the two products would help more?
I probably wrote unclearly… I did mean that if you want to use just the HOT-ROX, that’s perfectly fine, there is no need to buy Carbolin 19 to add on top of it.
If fastest loss of bodyfat is part of the goal, and there weren’t an issue of wanting to avoid a stimulant (which is sometimes the case for some) then I’d use HOT-ROX rather than Carbolin 19.
Ah thanks for the replies Bill
wow this product sounds amazing, I’m currently on a cut and trying to decide between, Alpha Male, Carbolin 19, HOT-ROX or good old eca.
What would you guys reccomend I’m only trying to do one thing at a time and it’s a very long slow and steady cut. been dieting since feburary and i’m about 37ish lbs down
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
wow this product sounds amazing, I’m currently on a cut and trying to decide between, Alpha Male, Carbolin 19, HOT-ROX or good old eca.
What would you guys reccomend I’m only trying to do one thing at a time and it’s a very long slow and steady cut. been dieting since feburary and i’m about 37ish lbs down[/quote]
Of those options, I would personally go with HOT-ROX if you are maintaining a slight calorie deficit over a long period. That way, you get some of the Carbolin 19 effects with the added bonus of appetite supression and a bit of an energy boost.
[quote]Serge A. Storms wrote:
Of those options, I would personally go with HOT-ROX if you are maintaining a slight calorie deficit over a long period. That way, you get some of the Carbolin 19 effects with the added bonus of appetite supression and a bit of an energy boost. [/quote]
This is my choice also.
I am actually stopping the HOT-ROX for a break from that kind of stimulant and will be starting on Carbolin 19 alone, or maybe with caffeine only.
Then resume on the HOT-ROX with Carbolin 19
So what is the major difference between the two? I’m still unsure of that…
Edit: I am referring to HOT-ROX and Carbolin 19
[quote]stefan128 wrote:
So what is the major difference between the two? I’m still unsure of that…
Edit: I am referring to HOT-ROX and Carbolin 19[/quote]
One is a fatloss product that contains stimulants, raspberry ketones, increases T3 production, and help’s spare muscle loss.
The other is a anabolic bridge designed to decrease fat mass while increasing lean muscle mass.
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
[quote]stefan128 wrote:
So what is the major difference between the two? I’m still unsure of that…
Edit: I am referring to HOT-ROX and Carbolin 19[/quote]
One is a fatloss product that contains stimulants, raspberry ketones, increases T3 production, and help’s spare muscle loss.
The other is a anabolic bridge designed to decrease fat mass while increasing lean muscle mass.[/quote]
So with Carbolin 19, you can take that at any time?? There is no instance where it is better suited as with HOT-ROX it is used when you might be carrying too much weight
I would say Carbolin 19 is best when trying to add pure muscle versus trying to loss a lot of fat.
If I were on a fat loss phase, I’d start with Carbolin 19 then move to HOT-ROX when I’m ready to get that last bit of stubborn fat off. Leaving a tool in the tool box so to speak.
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
I would say Carbolin 19 is best when trying to add pure muscle versus trying to loss a lot of fat.
If I were on a fat loss phase, I’d start with Carbolin 19 then move to HOT-ROX when I’m ready to get that last bit of stubborn fat off. Leaving a tool in the tool box so to speak.[/quote]
This is what I was thinking when I asked my question.
Since I’m going for slow and steady like I have been doing it makes sense to me that I would use Carbolin 19 now for a bit, but then when I get to lower bf % use the HOT-ROX to boost?
okay so this doesn’t need to be cycled, correct?
but how long should one go on to give i a run and see some decent results? would 4-8 weeks be enough?
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
okay so this doesn’t need to be cycled, correct?
but how long should one go on to give i a run and see some decent results? would 4-8 weeks be enough?[/quote]
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Generally speaking, unless very lean in the first place it’s essentially impossible to discern fat changes of less than about two pounds, and for persons that are substantially overfat changes may need to be as much as 4 lb to be clearly discernible. Similarly with muscle gain: A pound of muscle, while actually significant, is not necessarily readily discernible. Instead what tends to happen is that after a number of incremental improvements of that order, then “suddenly” substantial improvement is noticed.
For evaluating effect on body composition, for any product, a month allows a better evaluation.
However it’s not impossible that after a week you’d notice an effect.[/quote]
No need to cycle. Go for a month or longer.
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
I would say Carbolin 19 is best when trying to add pure muscle versus trying to loss a lot of fat.
If I were on a fat loss phase, I’d start with Carbolin 19 then move to HOT-ROX when I’m ready to get that last bit of stubborn fat off. Leaving a tool in the tool box so to speak.[/quote]
This is what I was thinking when I asked my question.
Since I’m going for slow and steady like I have been doing it makes sense to me that I would use Carbolin 19 now for a bit, but then when I get to lower bf % use the HOT-ROX to boost?
[/quote]
Because of your general approach, that also is how I would do it.
Either order of doing it can make sense according to the situation: sometimes there’s a high priority for fastest initial fat loss, followed by a continued more gradual process where body composition continues to be improved. In that case it can make more sense to do it the other way around, with HOT-ROX first during that fastest phase, followed by Carbolin 19.
But as you are going for slow and steady right now, which allows more improvement in muscle during that period than can be the case with fastest fat loss, your planned order of use will work very well.
This is largely because, unless already very highly trained, it’s possible to gradually add muscle while gradually adding fat, but some aid is very helpful in this situation because in general it’s a lot easier to add muscle when having a caloric surplus than a deficit. Carbolin 19 is effective for this, while the other fat-loss ingredients in HOT-ROX are more specifically fat loss agents rather than to aid in muscle gain. And because the planned fat loss is more gradual, those ingredients generally aren’t needed during such a phase. So the Carbolin 19 is targeted to your present need.
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
I would say Carbolin 19 is best when trying to add pure muscle versus trying to loss a lot of fat.
If I were on a fat loss phase, I’d start with Carbolin 19 then move to HOT-ROX when I’m ready to get that last bit of stubborn fat off. Leaving a tool in the tool box so to speak.[/quote]
This is what I was thinking when I asked my question.
Since I’m going for slow and steady like I have been doing it makes sense to me that I would use Carbolin 19 now for a bit, but then when I get to lower bf % use the HOT-ROX to boost?
[/quote]
Then only thing I would say you should watch out for with the above approach is:
If you are one of the people who get hungry from the Carbolin 19 and that becomes a problem in your slow and steady approach to fat loss, then maybe it’s best to save for when you can afford to give in to the hunger without compromising your self-discipline.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The question of combining supplements such as Carbolin 19 with pharmaceuticals in the presence of a disease state is generally at least somewhat problematic because even where a reasonable knowledge exists and no problem can be seen, it doesn’t mean that there could be no surprise. So generally it has to be recommended to not do it.
Personally, not having any disease condition, I would have no problem with using Carbolin 19 with low to moderate dose thyroid medication, for example T3 at 25-50 mcg/day used in a bb’ing manner. However, at least hypothetically it might be different for a person who has a thyroid problem and uses the medication for that reason.
If any have had experiences of ALC appearing to give problems when using thyroid medication, I’d take that seriously rather than assume that there must be no issue.
I realize those aren’t very helpful answers but unfortunately that’s about the best that I can say on it. [/quote]
Bill, since the label says not to take any stimulants with Carbolin 19, does this mean you can’t drink coffee with it?
Caffeine is fine together with Carbolin 19, at least within the realm of say a large cup of coffee or up to at least 300 mg of caffeine, and if a person is caffeine-tolerant, even considerably more than that.
I can’t say for certainty that if a caffeine-intolerant individual who took a for-him dangerous dose of caffeine that perhaps adding Carbolin 19 on top of it might not increase the effect, because we don’t have data on that. But there’s plenty of experience of very many individuals with Carbolin 19 with amounts of caffeine such as the above: no problem.
For what it’s worth I take Carbolin 19 with Brain Candy in the AM and that is a large shot of caffeine at once, I feel no negative effects.
I can also add that moving to just 2 Carbolin 19 a day, or a single dose, I don’t feel as “dense” as I do on 2 Doses of Carbolin 19 ( 2x2 ).
I’m currently taking 1 dose of Carbolin 19 in the morning with 2 Alpha Male tablets pre workout then 2 Alpha Male post workout.
Dosing like this makes me feel more “anabolic” as it were post workout than simply having 2 Carbolin 19 doses a day with 1 being pre workout.
When I reach a more appreciable level of leanness I would like to try Carbolin 19 with Se7en.