reddman,
Thanks for the additional info. I didn’t want to deny anyone’s possible results at this early stage; I wanted to know what other factors were involved.
(Maybe I’m trying to figure out why I’ve been on it for three weeks and only have some small-margin PRs to show for it. Hey, wait a minute! PRs! Naah…I’ve been making small progress anyway; I’ll just wait for the body comp changes to kick in later this summer. Maybe I’m just envious of all these gung-ho posts.)
[quote]TShaw wrote:
reddman,
Thanks for the additional info. I didn’t want to deny anyone’s possible results at this early stage; I wanted to know what other factors were involved.
(Maybe I’m trying to figure out why I’ve been on it for three weeks and only have some small-margin PRs to show for it. Hey, wait a minute! PRs! Naah…I’ve been making small progress anyway; I’ll just wait for the body comp changes to kick in later this summer. Maybe I’m just envious of all these gung-ho posts.)[/quote]
You’re welcome bud. I assume you have not experienced the increase in appetite I have?
Why can’t I purchase more then 3 bottles! By not allowing more then 3 bottles free fed-ex shipping will not be included. Hmmm…
My appetite has been through the roof! Now, I have a huge appetite to begin with but now its so over the top its to the point that I’m never full. No matter how much I eat I never get full and then an hour later it’s like I haven’t eaten in a month! It’s crazy! The thing that sucks is that I’m using it to get leaner.
This is going to be the perfect supplement for hard gainers because you have no choice but to eat constantly.
I’ve been on for 3 weeks now. I keep a spreadsheet of bf%, caloric intake, and all that jazz.
for the 3 weeks on carbolin
lbm: +3.5lbs
fat mass: -3lbs
bodyweigt: +1
chest: +1.5"
arm: same
thigh: +.5"
caloric intake: increase 500cal/day since 3 wks ago
unfortunately–I’m almost out.
This is after 1 week 4/day, next 2 weeks 2/day.
This seems to be inline with the study.
reddman,
*Increase in appetite: no
*Increase in vascularity: maybe (I never scanned myself on a regular basis BEFORE Carbolin 19)
*Increase in energy during workouts: don’t think so. But then, I take 1 Spike on Leg Days, Power Drive on Upper Body days, and just some green tea on Cardio days. So on the days I lift I’m getting a boost from Spike or Power Drive, and I know it. No reason to believe that Carbolin 19 on Cardio or Upper Body days is contributing to the workout.
*Increase in strength: maybe (I’ve been making slow progress for awhile, since before I started Carbolin 19, so I can’t be sure Carbolin 19’s the reason.
*Changes in body comp: don’t see it, but it’s only been a few weeks. For what it’s worth, I have NOT changed my diet.
I’m pretty consistent with diet and training, so I am usually aware of changes in my body/energy levels. I started Carbolin 19 on 4/27, and it’s now 5/17, so there hasn’t been time for any of the long-term body comp changes to take place and be noticeable. For the record, I’ve alternated with 1 capsules 2x/day on cardio days, 2 caps 2x/day on lifting days. Based on a recent post by BAJ in which he said it’s a shame that people aren’t fidning out at first what a single capsule at a time will do for them, but have jumped up to 2 capsules at a time, I’ve decided to drop to just one capsules 2x/day on all days. It’ll make the supply last longer, and could have as good an effect in the long run.
That’s where I stand. And I’m not saying that others might not be responding faster/better than my particular body chemistry (damn you all to flaming perdition!). I’m just saying that I’m not yet seeing the results, and not yet EXPECTING to see the results.
Don’t let me bring the party down; just sharing my own observations.
[quote]provy07 wrote:
Why can’t I purchase more then 3 bottles! By not allowing more then 3 bottles free fed-ex shipping will not be included. Hmmm…[/quote]
Because the supply is limited and we don’t want people hoarding Carbolin 19.
You can always add other products to an order to qualify for free shipping.
[quote]100meters wrote:
I’ve been on for 3 weeks now. I keep a spreadsheet of bf%, caloric intake, and all that jazz.
for the 3 weeks on carbolin
lbm: +3.5lbs
fat mass: -3lbs
bodyweigt: +1
chest: +1.5"
arm: same
thigh: +.5"
caloric intake: increase 500cal/day since 3 wks ago
unfortunately–I’m almost out.
This is after 1 week 4/day, next 2 weeks 2/day.
This seems to be inline with the study.[/quote]
It’d be great if more people kept track of their progress in this manner, at least this early on, because aside from huge shifts in body composition, or being extremely lean prior, I find it very difficult to “eye” a change in body composition. I think this is especially true for those who’d fall toward the lower end of the spectrum in terms of results, at this point perhaps having a shift of .5 lb or something like that.
Over a 12 week period of use, yes, I think then it would be much more obvious visually.
My results are probably not typical since I’m new to really intense lifting and a proper bulking diet. But I’ve had great results. In 6 weeks I gained 3/4 of inch on the arms, 1 1/4 chest, 1 1/2 thighs and 1/4 inch calves. Although, more fat than I would’ve like to put on and I think should’ve came with the gains. I’m stil bulking but scaling back some on the calories. I did definitely notice increased appetite when I started taking it over the first week or two of the bulk before it came out. I’m not sure exactly how long it’s been, but I ordered it the day it became available and received it very promptly.
[quote]Cy Willson wrote:
100meters wrote:
I’ve been on for 3 weeks now. I keep a spreadsheet of bf%, caloric intake, and all that jazz.
for the 3 weeks on carbolin
lbm: +3.5lbs
fat mass: -3lbs
bodyweigt: +1
chest: +1.5"
arm: same
thigh: +.5"
caloric intake: increase 500cal/day since 3 wks ago
unfortunately–I’m almost out.
This is after 1 week 4/day, next 2 weeks 2/day.
This seems to be inline with the study.
It’d be great if more people kept track of their progress in this manner, at least this early on, because aside from huge shifts in body composition, or being extremely lean prior, I find it very difficult to “eye” a change in body composition. I think this is especially true for those who’d fall toward the lower end of the spectrum in terms of results, at this point perhaps having a shift of .5 lb or something like that.
Over a 12 week period of use, yes, I think then it would be much more obvious visually. [/quote]
Exactly. These changes I’m not really seeing, but nonetheless changes are happening. Had I not already been keeping a spreadsheet of stats, I’d might be thinking differently, but when you see your caliper pinches getting steadily smaller, and your not dieting, or adding cardio and you are adding calories, then you start thinking “oh yeah the Carbolin 19!”
Hooray it is back in stock. Just placed my order. Now I will not miss a day on My Ultimate Anabolic Bridge. I have been on for 3 weeks and have now started to notice. I have dropped 6 pounds and 1 percent bodyfat. Strength has not gone away. Excellent product. I figure I will stay on for at least 3 months.
[quote]greens+ wrote:
Hooray it is back in stock. Just placed my order. Now I will not miss a day on My Ultimate Anabolic Bridge. I have been on for 3 weeks and have now started to notice. I have dropped 6 pounds and 1 percent bodyfat. Strength has not gone away. Excellent product. I figure I will stay on for at least 3 months.
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I’ll admit that I am pretty bad with numbers, but if you have lost 6 pounds of fat and that accounts for only 1% of your body weight… That means that you had weighed 600 lb before taking Carbolin 19. Otherwise, this could also mean that you have lost quite a bit of muscle mass(or at least water) along with a little bit of fat.
I am honestly not trying to be a jerk, just making an observation?
Peace,
DreDay
I did not say I lost 6 pounds of fat. I said I lost 6 lbs. And from my fat scale it says I have lost a 1 percent of fat. Who knows how acurate those scales are, however the reason for my post was that i have lost weight and not lost strength. Hooray for Carbolin 19
Love the feedback…However, please don’t post BF% changes predicated on scale analyzers. They are terribly inconsistant and unreliable. Tape measure and calipers are the way to go. The tape doesn’t lie; only the person using the tape.
[quote]Gnostic wrote:
Love the feedback…However, please don’t post BF% changes predicated on scale analyzers. They are terribly inconsistant and unreliable. Tape measure and calipers are the way to go. The tape doesn’t lie; only the person using the tape.[/quote]
Those aren’t so accurate either.
As long as you are using the scale as a comparison to the same measure it is accurate as to whether you are losing or gaining.
Calipers depend on the skill and willingness-to-pinch of the examiner. Chances are most the people using calipers aren’t being consistent
Tapes are fine and accurate if they are spring-loaded but they are absolutely horrible at approximating body fat.
There is no true way to measure body fat 100%. Its all comparison.
Not attacking you, but I think we are all aware of the fallacies of any body fat measurement. Just go with what you have and stick with it. They are precise but not accurate.
I know this is probably stated somewhere, but I can’t find it. How does Carbolin 19 affect blood pressure, if at all. Increase, or decrease? Does anyone know?
[quote]SGrim80 wrote:
I know this is probably stated somewhere, but I can’t find it. How does Carbolin 19 affect blood pressure, if at all. Increase, or decrease? Does anyone know?[/quote]
If there’s any effect at all, it’ll be a transient decrease. I covered this a bit in the “Ultimate…” thread.
He said he lost 1% bodyfat, not 1% of his total body weight
[quote]MJT wrote:
He said he lost 1% bodyfat, not 1% of his total body weight[/quote]
Ok, so if I understand you correctly, it would appear that greens+ has lost 6 pounds of weight while retaining 99% of his body fat. That would mean that he has lost even more muscle (or excessive water) than what I had earlier mentioned, which I am sure is not the case.
Anyway, I am not trying to diss on you or greens+ over this. I am certainly not trying to highjack this thread, either. My only point is that we could all try to be a little more careful and accurate when reporting the results of Carbolin 19 usage. Otherwise, we are just throwing out pointless numbers that prove absolutely nothing.
[quote]DreDay wrote:
MJT wrote:
He said he lost 1% bodyfat, not 1% of his total body weight
Ok, so if I understand you correctly, it would appear that greens+ has lost 6 pounds of weight while retaining 99% of his body fat. That would mean that he has lost even more muscle (or excessive water) than what I had earlier mentioned, which I am sure is not the case.
Anyway, I am not trying to diss on you or greens+ over this. I am certainly not trying to highjack this thread, either. My only point is that we could all try to be a little more careful and accurate when reporting the results of Carbolin 19 usage. Otherwise, we are just throwing out pointless numbers that prove absolutely nothing.
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My point exactly, regarding the bodyfat scales and measurements. Honestly, a combined approach, utilizing scales, tape, and calipers (if competent) would probably enhance accuracy and engender “useful” numbers.
As we can see, the math can be distorted and confouding, as evidenced by the above example.
BTW, TriGWU, a scale is probably the WORST way of determing body-comp fluctuations. This topic may warrant it’s own thread…