I note a product getting a lot of exposure at the moment which claims to inhibit up to 66% of carbs ingested. This formula is dervived from white kidney beans. Anyone try any of this?
Nope, and never would. Why the hell would anyone want to eat something, and then have it not be absorbed?
1: It’s asking for trouble further down from the colon, mild symptoms like gas and obstipation.
2: You’re creating habits that won’t serve you.
3: It’s lame.
[quote]Amonero wrote:
Nope, and never would. Why the hell would anyone want to eat something, and then have it not be absorbed?
1: It’s asking for trouble further down from the colon, mild symptoms like gas and obstipation.
2: You’re creating habits that won’t serve you.
3: It’s lame.[/quote]
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The best “carb inhibitor” is your mouth. Don’t put food in it if you don’t want the calories, carbs, fat, or anything else.
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
I note a product getting a lot of exposure at the moment which claims to inhibit up to 66% of carbs ingested. This formula is dervived from white kidney beans. Anyone try any of this?[/quote]
Eat 66% less carbs instead. You save on food bills + the carb blocker!
Have never seen many reviews about this even on the MP forum.
The rationale to eat 66% less carbs is a bit too simplistic, especially for dieters engaging in CKD diets. Personally I wouldn’t entertain such products. However, if you were setting a daily max intake of, e.g. 30g CHO from all sources, then perhaps incorporating a blocker would be advantageous.
Anyway, found this piece with reference to a couple of studies online. The latter study appears to add credibility to the carb-blocking claims:
Does the white kidney bean carb blocker work?
Supposedly Phaseolus vulgaris interferes with an enzyme called alpha-amylase, which is needed to break starches down into the simple sugars that are easily absorbed by the body.
Next obvious question… is there any real life scientific evidence to indicate it really does what the supplement retailers claim it does? A recent UCLA study on Phase 2® (a patented form of Phaseolus vulgaris) concluded…
“Clinical trends were identified for weight loss, inches lost from the waist, energy, and decrease in triglycerides, although statistical significance was not reached. The reason that significance was not achieved was the small number of subjects who completed the study and the wide variability of the results within each group. Further studies with larger numbers of subjects are necessary in order to definitively demonstrate effectiveness.”
A more recent European study (Int J Med Sci. 2007 Jan 24;4(1):45-52) was somewhat more positive…
“The results indicate that Phaseolus vulgaris extract produces significant decrements in body weight and suggest decrements in fat mass in the face of maintained lean body mass.”
It should be noted that study participants were restricted to consuming 2000-2200 calories per day. In other words, they were dieting.
2000-2200 calories might be at or below what we diet with, but a lot of sedentary people keep their weight when eating that much. Did the studies say anything about side effects? As Amonero said, what you don’t absorb, bacteria will use. And that won’t be nice.
dude, I binge like a mofo on candy sometimes, so it would be awesome if I could eat as much as I wanted with only diarrhea or something like that as a side effect. Generally after a long diet where I’m lean and can easily ruin my newly gotten physique…
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
[quote]Amonero wrote:
Nope, and never would. Why the hell would anyone want to eat something, and then have it not be absorbed?
1: It’s asking for trouble further down from the colon, mild symptoms like gas and obstipation.
2: You’re creating habits that won’t serve you.
3: It’s lame.[/quote]
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The best “carb inhibitor” is your mouth. Don’t put food in it if you don’t want the calories, carbs, fat, or anything else.[/quote]
LMAO at this. Definitely remembering it for the next time someone brings up macronutrient blockers. Reminds me of the Xenical/Orlistat stuff that had people ‘leaking’ fat because it wasn’t being digested. snicker
I just scrolled through and saw this thread. Don’t believe that study’s garbage, they use fancy words so people who don’t know the medical jargon will believe them.
Okay, it inhibits alpha-amylase. That’s just salivary amylase, the enzyme in the saliva responsible for initiation of starch breakdown (try it out, put a plain cracker in your mouth and keep it there for a long time, it will start to taste like sugar once the starches are broken down to glucose). What they didn’t mention, is that salivary amylase plays a very small role in sugar breakdown. Pancreatic amylase and other enzymes (maltase, lactase, etc…) are the most responsible for carb breakdown breakdown.
Here’s another way to mostly inhibit salivary amylase: swallow your food faster. Don’t give your mouth enough time to digest the shit.
Also, enzyme deficiencies cause serious GI problems. Take lactose intolerance for example. The body lacks lactase and can’t break down lactose, a sugar. Instead, the lactose gets through to the bacteria living in your lower intestines and they digest it, causing massive stomach upsets/diarrhea etc…
Not pretty stuff.
[quote]HK24719 wrote:
The best “carb inhibitor” is your mouth. [/quote]
Truth.
BTW, I think most people that will buy such a product are the chubby soccer mom’s that order a large fries and diet coke. “It’s only ‘half-bad’.” WTF.
[quote]JoeyD20 wrote:
I just scrolled through and saw this thread. Don’t believe that study’s garbage, they use fancy words so people who don’t know the medical jargon will believe them.
Okay, it inhibits alpha-amylase. That’s just salivary amylase, the enzyme in the saliva responsible for initiation of starch breakdown (try it out, put a plain cracker in your mouth and keep it there for a long time, it will start to taste like sugar once the starches are broken down to glucose). What they didn’t mention, is that salivary amylase plays a very small role in sugar breakdown. Pancreatic amylase and other enzymes (maltase, lactase, etc…) are the most responsible for carb breakdown breakdown.
Here’s another way to mostly inhibit salivary amylase: swallow your food faster. Don’t give your mouth enough time to digest the shit.
Also, enzyme deficiencies cause serious GI problems. Take lactose intolerance for example. The body lacks lactase and can’t break down lactose, a sugar. Instead, the lactose gets through to the bacteria living in your lower intestines and they digest it, causing massive stomach upsets/diarrhea etc…
Not pretty stuff.[/quote]
I’m pretty sure both salivary and pancreatic amylase is alpha-amylase, in which case this stuff inhibits both. Other than that, great post. (Correct me if I’m wrong)
It won’t help against candy, which is largely comprised of sucrose (table sugar), which is broken down by sucrase in the intestinal mucosa. It will “help” against starchy carbs, such as potatoes, corn flakes etc.
[quote]BrentGoose wrote:
LMAO at this. Definitely remembering it for the next time someone brings up macronutrient blockers. Reminds me of the Xenical/Orlistat stuff that had people ‘leaking’ fat because it wasn’t being digested. snicker
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True, but “half of the point” was to get people to stop eating so much fat. You crap floaters, which smell, well, WORSE than shit and if you have to endure this several times a day, you might feel the need to make the steathorrea stop by not eating fat.