Agreed! …keep protein consistent at around 1g/lb of BW or LBM and count carbs… Eat less carbs and more fats or fattier cuts of meat on rest days. That’s what I do…[/quote]
Facko, so you’ve managed to get leaner without worrying about overall calorie intake? Interesting. Do you just eat when hungry during the day then as long as it’s low carb and then hit the sweets after training? I don’t think I’ve been hitting the carbs high enough after training.[/quote]
Well an excellent example of this would be any of the work Shelby does. I’ve worked with him before, and all you count is macros. As far as I know you don’t count cals with his approach either. The only times I’ve seen people count calories are when they’re on plans like weight watchers and jenny craig. Not a poke at you by any means. I understand that to lose weight calories in have to be lower than calories out. I just know that for anyone who’s not a soccer mom counting macros works just fine. [/quote]
Exactly…you count macros…so it’s sort of like counting calories. In other words, when you count macros with relative accuracy…you will never be too far off your estimated caloric goals. The only difference between counting macros and counting cals, for me atleast, is that I don’t count incidentals. If something is MAINLY a carb source, like oatmeal, I only count the 26g of carbs per seving…I don’t count the fat grams and I don’t count the protein grams. Get what I’m saying?
Agreed! …keep protein consistent at around 1g/lb of BW or LBM and count carbs… Eat less carbs and more fats or fattier cuts of meat on rest days. That’s what I do…[/quote]
Facko, so you’ve managed to get leaner without worrying about overall calorie intake? Interesting. Do you just eat when hungry during the day then as long as it’s low carb and then hit the sweets after training? I don’t think I’ve been hitting the carbs high enough after training.[/quote]
LOL… My kids play soccer and I work in an office all day. I suppose I could be a soccer dad. Seriously though, I suppose at the end of the day, that’s what I’m doing. I use a calorie counting web site to track food and then record the macros in a spreadsheet. I just use a weekly calorie goal to back out my macros for the low and high days. Sounds like maybe you guys (you and Facko) are just a little looser in the bookkeeping. I should try to be a little less rigorous I suppose.
Well an excellent example of this would be any of the work Shelby does. I’ve worked with him before, and all you count is macros. As far as I know you don’t count cals with his approach either. The only times I’ve seen people count calories are when they’re on plans like weight watchers and jenny craig. Not a poke at you by any means. I understand that to lose weight calories in have to be lower than calories out. I just know that for anyone who’s not a soccer mom counting macros works just fine. [/quote]
If you’re seeing progress than what you’re doing works just fine. There are varying degrees of the OCD that come with keeping track of your food haha. The most complicated I get is just trying to measure my carbs (since that’s what backloading advocates) and eating 8-10oz of meat per meal. That seems to work for me though. People like shelby will count every single thing though. But it’s what works for him.
How’s your strength been Sioux? Going up? Staying stable? You feel like you’re leaning out or just able to maintain and eat the shit carbs at night…
Even if you aren’t leaning out per say…it’s far from shitty to be able to maintain your current bf%, eat shit carbs at night, and get stronger at the same time…can’t complain then to be honest
Ha the strength is staying the same. I’m keeping things at a set point for lower body because of my knee. In regards to the carbs, I’m done eating shitty this much. My parents need to eat healthier and it doesn’t help when I eat like this at night. So after this weekend I’ll keep it cleaner (rice) and have a cheat “night” once per week. Also, I do feel like I am getting leaner. The thing I have to remember is that people run things like this for MONTHS. I’ve only done a few weeks. Besides, the shittier carbs don’t help with water retention. Also why I’m getting my body fat checked hydrostatically on the 21st. Since I backload every other day roughly I can keep a good amount of water retention and bloat. So that will tell the real story. I’ll do that once a month, and we’ll see where it goes.
But you are right, nothing wrong with staying in the same shape eating like I have either haha.
I haven’t lost any weight though. From what I remember my weight crept back up to about 236, but it’s not going above that. I just weighed myself at 237.2, but that’s at the end of the day, after a 2liter of DIET soda, 3 burritos, a protein shake, and a cup of ice cream. I have a feeling a lot of the weight I’m still carrying is in water and bloat, and when I cut the shit out and stick to rice and potatoes I should drop down. Like Kiefer said…don’t be a fat kid lol
YES! Love cheesecake. How did you make it? I have been eating cheesecake filling (made from scratch) everynight since xmas. The macros on it are amazing.
I made it with a NY style. So that would be sugar, cream cheese, sour cream, egg, small amount of flour and vanilla. The crust was a package of oreos. I’m going to make a few more of them since they’re so easy to make. Probably classic graham cracker crust BUT with a caramel marble, or brownie chunks, or layers of crust in them. I think the crust is the best part. You get the idea though lol
I dont like the crust but an oreo crust is the only kind i like. I did make an oatmeal crust that was pretty good. Mine is greek yogurt, cream cheese, splenda, egg white or whole egg, vanilla. Its so good.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
I dont like the crust but an oreo crust is the only kind i like. I did make an oatmeal crust that was pretty good. Mine is greek yogurt, cream cheese, splenda, egg white or whole egg, vanilla. Its so good.[/quote]
Sounds like you made a slightly healthier version? When it comes to these things I just figure it’s a cheesecake, no need to try to make it healthy lol.
NEW PLAN: I’m going to try to lean out a bit here, so the next week will be backloading “clean”. My idea: food as the same, but on the backloading drink my shakes with water, and eat rice for the backload. See how things go with that this week. Also getting my bf tested this Saturday. I may or may not have a single slice of cheesecake per backload. I’ll run this and see how it goes. No more being a fat kid lol.
I do that healthier because i actually prefer the taste. Also i can eat the whole thing and its still about 1000 calories counting the crust if i make it. If i dont its more like 800 or so mostly pro
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
Yeah mine is a full 10" cheesecake like you’d get at the factory. Not sure how many calories that would be, but it’s a lot. :)[/quote]
No…the ACTUAL caloric/nutritional count is just that.
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
Yeah mine is a full 10" cheesecake like you’d get at the factory. Not sure how many calories that would be, but it’s a lot. :)[/quote]
No…the ACTUAL caloric/nutritional count is just that.
Cheesecake Nutritional Analysis:
Alot.[/quote]
Deliciousness analysis:
A LOT
Besides, have you ever looked at the ingredient list in a store bought cheesecake? Sweet baby jesus! All mine had was sour cream, cream cheese, sugar, egg, small amount of flour. For you Californian dudes…Where do you guys live?
LOL… I’ve been making a chocolate cappuccino cheesecake on occasion. From the recipe, on a 9.5" pan, it’s about 400 cals per slice. At 16 slices, that’s over 6000 calories per cheesecake.
ryanbCXG try Nabisco famous chocolate wafers for a crust. In my cheesecake, I use 1 cup of those, 1/4 cup butter, 2 tablespoons white sugar & 1/4 teaspoon ground cinnamon.
The only modifications I make are to use 72% ghirardelli, add an extra teaspoon of instant cofee and since I don’t make the flavored whipped cream, I don’t buy heavy cream so I just add milk to the chocolate when it’s melting.
Seriously though, I suppose at the end of the day, that’s what I’m doing. I use a calorie counting web site to track food and then record the macros in a spreadsheet. I just use a weekly calorie goal to back out my macros for the low and high days. Sounds like maybe you guys (you and Facko) are just a little looser in the bookkeeping. I should try to be a little less rigorous I suppose.