God damn, you guys are making CBL sound amazing… Too bad I’m too much of a puss to try it 
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Okay, after my first day doing CBL:
My 4pm workout was not great. I’m a noontime lifter, so the 3 hour push ahead was hard, not to mention the gym was PACKED with assholes at that time. I did manage to work my ass off and went home spent.
Ate overripe bananas, 2 tbsp honey, whey shake, 2 hamburgers, bowl of rice pudding, and french fries (I should mention that for 2 months prior to this I’ve had no more than 60 carbs per day in the AM). After all that food I felt pretty good… until around 10 pm I started feeling really bloated. I thought, “This is gonna suck for the next 8 weeks”.
However, this morning I awoke ravenous, and my gut mysteriously lost all signs of the bloat. In fact, I can do a pretty good vacuum pose right now! Where the hell did all that food go?[/quote]
Kiefer elves whisk it away in the middle of the night. [/quote]
LOL!
DO you or anyone else here know how naps fit into the CBL protocol? Would a nap sometime in the day (like before a workout) mess up the rhythms and thus the whole hormonal advantage of the program?
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According to Naomi on DH napping is encouraged as long as they are kept reasonable and you aren’t sleeping a couple hours at a time mid-day.
Sioux, I’m from LA area. Right now I live around Berkeley/San Fran area.
Where in LA? I’m going down there to visit the old folks in a couple weeks (around July 15th ish). I’m gonna be in Westwood/San Fernando area…If you’re anywhere near, we should train together! PM me if you’re interested.
PS the hulk effect Kiefer writes about is real. It’s really real, hahaha
Anyone ever hear about this? I’m hoping they can help me grow some new cartilage in my knees 
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
dude this diet is no joke haha. I woke up still pumped up. My chest looked the same as it did during my workout, wtf! It’s amazing shit. I usually don’t believe in this kind of stuff and write it all off as a gimick, but there is srsly something legit going on here.
Sioux, what part of CA are you from?
BTW, I’m very excited to see everyones’ results. That’s why I keep logging on to t nation instead of studying for my LSATs lol [/quote]
Southern. LA area. Yourself? My poor MDT thread isn’t getting as much love as this is lol[/quote]
When did you update it last?
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
So guys I backloaded with 650g carbs last night, lol.
I…wait for it…did not gain ONE ounce after doing that either. W.T.F.
Nonetheless, I’m going to change some stuff around. INstead of shooting for a retarded high carb count with super low fats, I’m going to go for a more moderate (but still very high carb) count and be more lax with fats. This will be easier, since it’s hard to eat high GI carbs w/ no fats in public, lol.
I’m thinking my backloads will go something like this:
Post workout: 25g whey, 75g carbs (prob 2 pop tarts or something)
Next Meal: 50g protein, 200-250g carbs (prob something tasty if I’m out, like burger, fries, coke, and a cookie. Or if I’m home, prob like…chicken, bunch of rice, french fries, or something)
Before Bed: 25g protein, 100-150g carbs (prob like…i dunno, a big bowl of fruit mixed w/ cottage cheese and/or a skinny cow or something ((they’re surprisingly good lol))
The main change is that I’ll fall in the 400-500g carb range, but have higher fats. I think this will be easier to adhere to, no? As much as I enjoy sugar, it’s hard to eat low fat high carbs in public without being ‘that guy’ ya know!
Does it matter if I eat my post workout shake at, say, 5:30, then don’t get my big carb meal until 8:00 or 9:00? [/quote]
What did that last backload look like? (the 650 with no weight gain) Did you get a big bowel movment before the morning weight?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
dude this diet is no joke haha. I woke up still pumped up. My chest looked the same as it did during my workout, wtf! It’s amazing shit. I usually don’t believe in this kind of stuff and write it all off as a gimick, but there is srsly something legit going on here.
Sioux, what part of CA are you from?
BTW, I’m very excited to see everyones’ results. That’s why I keep logging on to t nation instead of studying for my LSATs lol [/quote]
Southern. LA area. Yourself? My poor MDT thread isn’t getting as much love as this is lol[/quote]
When did you update it last?[/quote]
Last sunday lol.
That could be the problem
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
That could be the problem[/quote]
Well shit nobody else is posting in it lol. My CBL thread is stealing all the views I don’t really mind though. I’m not quite backloading with meadows, but I don’t get carbs till later in the day, the 3rd-4th meal or so.
Hey guys,
Has anyone had success with early morning training and CBL in tandem? Kiefer’s protocol (from my understanding) includes drinking coffee/getting in some sort of caffeine with carbs post-workout, and then back-loading the regular way in the evening.
Is anyone seeing the same type of result with this form of CBL? Afternoon lifting is impossible with my work schedule, so my usage of the program is limited to its early morning form.
Thanks!
Today was a pretty good backload. I talked to some CBL vets and changed it up a bit. Went pretty well!
Wake up 11:30am (up supa late last night lol)
1:30pm: Kiefer coff (10g whey, 10g coconut oil)
2:00pm: 8oz chicken, 20g coconut oil, veges
3:00pm: another Kiefer coffee
4:00pm: lift
5:30: 25g whey
6:00: 2 pop tarts
7:00: huge rice krispy treat (the big ones they sell at 7-11)
11:00: 2 pancakes smothered in maple syrup, 2 pieces chicken apple sausage, 2 eggs, small milkshake
1:00am: big fruit bowl (6 cups strawberries covered in 1 cup cottage cheese), bowl of ice cream
I am going to start CBL tomorrow. Took a lot of your meal choices into consideration and am excited to start.
I do take a pre workout supplement (Jackd) before i train. Do you think this would have any affect on my results?
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
So today, I actually started adhering to the SA strategy, and went under 30g of carbs today for my off day. No lifting or cardio. I feel like death and mildly suicidal. lol[/quote]If you did a bit of steady state cardio (or generally being fairly active without any anaerobic work),
would you go above 30gr ?
[quote]tolismann wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
So today, I actually started adhering to the SA strategy, and went under 30g of carbs today for my off day. No lifting or cardio. I feel like death and mildly suicidal. lol[/quote]If you did a bit of steady state cardio (or generally being fairly active without any anaerobic work),
would you go above 30gr ?
[/quote]
Not for the off days in SA, or doing the prep phase. Cardio isn’t a reason to backload.
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]tolismann wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
So today, I actually started adhering to the SA strategy, and went under 30g of carbs today for my off day. No lifting or cardio. I feel like death and mildly suicidal. lol[/quote]If you did a bit of steady state cardio (or generally being fairly active without any anaerobic work),
would you go above 30gr ?
[/quote]
Not for the off days in SA, or doing the prep phase. Cardio isn’t a reason to backload. [/quote]I meant somewhere along 40-60 grams (incidental carbs) from veggies/dairy/nuts.
[quote]tolismann wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]tolismann wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
So today, I actually started adhering to the SA strategy, and went under 30g of carbs today for my off day. No lifting or cardio. I feel like death and mildly suicidal. lol[/quote]If you did a bit of steady state cardio (or generally being fairly active without any anaerobic work),
would you go above 30gr ?
[/quote]
Not for the off days in SA, or doing the prep phase. Cardio isn’t a reason to backload. [/quote]I meant somewhere along 40-60 grams (incidental carbs) from veggies/dairy/nuts.
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No dairy unless it’s in a backload. I’d keep it below 30g if you can for everything. including the carbs from nuts and veggies. If it’s not fiber, you have to count it. Things like bell peppers have 2-3g of carbs each.
I need some help trying to figure out an AM training carb backloading protcol.
I usualy wake up around 0700, drink coffee and then train fasted. Then I go to work for twelve hours and get home at about 1100 fuck around for maybe an hour then go to bed. Im 5’10 180lbs now and would like to loose some bodyfat and maintain/gain muscle. I need some help on how much and when I should carb backload.
Thanks for the help
[quote]BrianBellitto wrote:
I am going to start CBL tomorrow. Took a lot of your meal choices into consideration and am excited to start.
I do take a pre workout supplement (Jackd) before i train. Do you think this would have any affect on my results?[/quote]
No negative effects that I can think of. You’re getting the caffeine stimulus Kiefer recommends, but I suppose none of the protein. If it feels like it helps, keep it. If not, drop it.
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
Today was a pretty good backload. I talked to some CBL vets and changed it up a bit. Went pretty well!
Wake up 11:30am (up supa late last night lol)
1:30pm: Kiefer coff (10g whey, 10g coconut oil)
2:00pm: 8oz chicken, 20g coconut oil, veges
3:00pm: another Kiefer coffee
4:00pm: lift
5:30: 25g whey
6:00: 2 pop tarts
7:00: huge rice krispy treat (the big ones they sell at 7-11)
11:00: 2 pancakes smothered in maple syrup, 2 pieces chicken apple sausage, 2 eggs, small milkshake
1:00am: big fruit bowl (6 cups strawberries covered in 1 cup cottage cheese), bowl of ice cream [/quote]
Where are you PWO carbs? Why the fruit at 1 AM?
I got home, had a scoop of whey, showered, then had 2 poptarts.
I would typically eat in a smaller window, but was out from like 7-11pm, then had some food at a restaurant, then had some more when i got home.