[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Isulin spikes…[/quote]
I’ve been looking but can’t find any solid info aside from he said/she said. Have you seen any studies showing the direct result in insulin production from hyrolyzed casein or whey?
The whey protein in only l10g, it’s Inline with what kiefer suggested. I purposely take the whey/casein hydro to spike my insulin around my workout as I can’t consume carbs at the time I workout. The later shake is only like 10g casein hydro no Leucine though that was a mistake.
I definiately could add more fat maybe some coconut oil ?
dang. after yesterday’s ‘off day’ eating (with basically no carbs) I feel like death today lol. Got in some good fats and protein, gonna take a MASSIVE dose of beta alanine, and go lift, then backload. I guess it’ll take some time to get used to the true no carb. For the past few months I’ve been having about 100-150g carbs on off days, so this is new to me 
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
dang. after yesterday’s ‘off day’ eating (with basically no carbs) I feel like death today lol. Got in some good fats and protein, gonna take a MASSIVE dose of beta alanine, and go lift, then backload. I guess it’ll take some time to get used to the true no carb. For the past few months I’ve been having about 100-150g carbs on off days, so this is new to me [/quote]
It’s rough at first, for sure. I’ve hit PR’s on those days more often than not though. It’s all in the stims, for me at least.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
do you think this diet would have any negative effects on long term heart disease? my only concerns are all the processed food (lucky charms) that im eating.[/quote]
Simple answer. Remove as much processed food as you can. I know its not what you want to hear on this diet, but if health is of concern you should be trying to eat the least processed food you can. Doesnt mean you cant have “junk” just means try to get your junk from the least processed sources possible. One way is to make it yourself. [/quote]
good point. im still in the process of trying to find the carbs i can eat a ton of to get my numbers in. like 150g of carbs from sugary cereal is way easier to get down than 150g from rice, for me. if i knew how to make lucky charms myself i would hahah.[/quote]
What glitch said. Cut down on processed stuff. Try to maybe grind up the rice in a blender and make some rice pro pudidng. Also there are gluten free alternatives like rice meal type stuff (alternative to wheat based warm breakfast cereal) Look into making gluten free treats yourself with rice flour. They are extremely carb dense.[/quote]
good call, im gonna make some rice pudding with vanilla whey. the added sweetness will make it go down alot smoother. im definitely going to look into rice flour cookies or cake.
[quote]wiggles wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]wiggles wrote:
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
So today, I actually started adhering to the SA strategy, and went under 30g of carbs today for my off day. No lifting or cardio. I feel like death and mildly suicidal. lol[/quote]
Did you get in enough fat? That usually helps me on days that are super low carb, especially because I forget to up the fat a little bit to compensate for the lack of carbs (and help with satiety).[/quote]
Definately need plenty of fat. The other problem is you may not be used to using fat as a fuel source. Have you done any High Fat Diets before Spidey? The transition was easy for me because I had been doing the Anabolic Diet for years prior. You may need to do a break in period without the backloads if you havent done a high fat diet before.[/quote]
I get in about 170g of fat on this day (with about 200g Protein @ a 190lb BW). I’ve done higher fat diets before, with more moderate carbs, but nothing like a keto or AD style one. I was training twice a day, so I had to do mini-backloads at night to fuel morning sessions, but now I’m training only in the evening, so thought I’d give it a try.[/quote]
Crunch the numbers. This day might be drastically lower in cals than your backload days. I’ve had to play with the numbers some myself. If I follow the 1st half of the off day like I do a backload day, and then don’t backload at night, I will feel terrible. If I take in more fat at the midday meal and afternoon snack, I tend to do fine at night.
Just a thought.[/quote]
Yeah it may have been the lower calories as well. I may need to try and get some more fats in there. What does everyone’s ‘off days’ look like?
I’m feeling a bit better after drinking a big mug of kiefer coffee
You guys make this CBL sound so good. haha I’ll probably buy this book in a couple months when I’m leaner
Are you guys adding decent size though with it?
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
You guys make this CBL sound so good. haha I’ll probably buy this book in a couple months when I’m leaner
Are you guys adding decent size though with it?[/quote]
I will be able to better answer this question by the end of the summer. My goal by then is to have my “walking around weight” at or a little above 230 (at 221 now, which is +3 lbs since starting) for strongman. In gaining those 3 lbs though, I’ve lost a noticeable amount of abdominal fat. Crazy stuff.
[quote]paulieserafini wrote:
You guys make this CBL sound so good. haha I’ll probably buy this book in a couple months when I’m leaner
Are you guys adding decent size though with it?[/quote]
im using it for recomping purposes. im 230lbs now and my waist is as lean as it was when i was 190lbs, but my shoulders, arms, chest, legs are all way bigger.
currently eating a massive salad bowl full of fruit loops, lucky charms, and cocoa puffs. who needs booze and brauds when you got cereal!
wannabebig, how many carbs u backload with?
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
wannabebig, how many carbs u backload with? [/quote]
i counted once and it was around 400g. i stopped counting though. probably 300-500g.
lots of cereal, rice, potatoes, pizza, pop tarts, bananas.
Okay, after my first day doing CBL:
My 4pm workout was not great. I’m a noontime lifter, so the 3 hour push ahead was hard, not to mention the gym was PACKED with assholes at that time. I did manage to work my ass off and went home spent.
Ate overripe bananas, 2 tbsp honey, whey shake, 2 hamburgers, bowl of rice pudding, and french fries (I should mention that for 2 months prior to this I’ve had no more than 60 carbs per day in the AM). After all that food I felt pretty good… until around 10 pm I started feeling really bloated. I thought, “This is gonna suck for the next 8 weeks”.
However, this morning I awoke ravenous, and my gut mysteriously lost all signs of the bloat. In fact, I can do a pretty good vacuum pose right now! Where the hell did all that food go?
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Okay, after my first day doing CBL:
My 4pm workout was not great. I’m a noontime lifter, so the 3 hour push ahead was hard, not to mention the gym was PACKED with assholes at that time. I did manage to work my ass off and went home spent.
Ate overripe bananas, 2 tbsp honey, whey shake, 2 hamburgers, bowl of rice pudding, and french fries (I should mention that for 2 months prior to this I’ve had no more than 60 carbs per day in the AM). After all that food I felt pretty good… until around 10 pm I started feeling really bloated. I thought, “This is gonna suck for the next 8 weeks”.
However, this morning I awoke ravenous, and my gut mysteriously lost all signs of the bloat. In fact, I can do a pretty good vacuum pose right now! Where the hell did all that food go?[/quote]
Kiefer elves whisk it away in the middle of the night.
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Okay, after my first day doing CBL:
My 4pm workout was not great. I’m a noontime lifter, so the 3 hour push ahead was hard, not to mention the gym was PACKED with assholes at that time. I did manage to work my ass off and went home spent.
Ate overripe bananas, 2 tbsp honey, whey shake, 2 hamburgers, bowl of rice pudding, and french fries (I should mention that for 2 months prior to this I’ve had no more than 60 carbs per day in the AM). After all that food I felt pretty good… until around 10 pm I started feeling really bloated. I thought, “This is gonna suck for the next 8 weeks”.
However, this morning I awoke ravenous, and my gut mysteriously lost all signs of the bloat. In fact, I can do a pretty good vacuum pose right now! Where the hell did all that food go?[/quote]
Kiefer elves whisk it away in the middle of the night. [/quote]
LOL!
DO you or anyone else here know how naps fit into the CBL protocol? Would a nap sometime in the day (like before a workout) mess up the rhythms and thus the whole hormonal advantage of the program?
ID, I’d say it depends on the length of the nap. I think longer than 20-30 minutes and you start REM cycles again? Something like that at least. I just know if I nap more then 30 minutes I feel like crap.
So guys I backloaded with 650g carbs last night, lol.
I…wait for it…did not gain ONE ounce after doing that either. W.T.F.
Nonetheless, I’m going to change some stuff around. INstead of shooting for a retarded high carb count with super low fats, I’m going to go for a more moderate (but still very high carb) count and be more lax with fats. This will be easier, since it’s hard to eat high GI carbs w/ no fats in public, lol.
I’m thinking my backloads will go something like this:
Post workout: 25g whey, 75g carbs (prob 2 pop tarts or something)
Next Meal: 50g protein, 200-250g carbs (prob something tasty if I’m out, like burger, fries, coke, and a cookie. Or if I’m home, prob like…chicken, bunch of rice, french fries, or something)
Before Bed: 25g protein, 100-150g carbs (prob like…i dunno, a big bowl of fruit mixed w/ cottage cheese and/or a skinny cow or something ((they’re surprisingly good lol))
The main change is that I’ll fall in the 400-500g carb range, but have higher fats. I think this will be easier to adhere to, no? As much as I enjoy sugar, it’s hard to eat low fat high carbs in public without being ‘that guy’ ya know!
Does it matter if I eat my post workout shake at, say, 5:30, then don’t get my big carb meal until 8:00 or 9:00?
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
So guys I backloaded with 650g carbs last night, lol.
I…wait for it…did not gain ONE ounce after doing that either. W.T.F.
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Kiefer elves…
dude this diet is no joke haha. I woke up still pumped up. My chest looked the same as it did during my workout, wtf! It’s amazing shit. I usually don’t believe in this kind of stuff and write it all off as a gimick, but there is srsly something legit going on here.
Sioux, what part of CA are you from?
BTW, I’m very excited to see everyones’ results. That’s why I keep logging on to t nation instead of studying for my LSATs lol
[quote]hlss09 wrote:
dude this diet is no joke haha. I woke up still pumped up. My chest looked the same as it did during my workout, wtf! It’s amazing shit. I usually don’t believe in this kind of stuff and write it all off as a gimick, but there is srsly something legit going on here.
Sioux, what part of CA are you from?
BTW, I’m very excited to see everyones’ results. That’s why I keep logging on to t nation instead of studying for my LSATs lol [/quote]
Southern. LA area. Yourself? My poor MDT thread isn’t getting as much love as this is lol