[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
10 Buffalo Wings 734 calories 46g fat 81g protein 1g carb.
Zaxbys wings![/quote]
I hope those wings are from free-range omega-3 chickens and fried in coconut (or peanut) oil… LOL…
[quote]Jenstrength wrote:
Hey guys
Finally, a decent thread about CBL.
2 questions;
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How many grams of coconut oil to use in the AM Accelerator shake & Pre Workout Ignition shake?
Kiefer prescribes 1g of MCT in the book.
That amounts to a total of around 2g fat in the whole shake… Doesn’t seem like enough?! -
Do any of you know any females that have done/do CBL?
:)[/quote]
Anywhere it says 1g regarding coconut oil is supposed to be 1 tbsp. Naomi mentioned that this was a print error on the forums.
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
10 Buffalo Wings 734 calories 46g fat 81g protein 1g carb.
Zaxbys wings![/quote]
I don’t think B-dubs would have the same breakdown lol[/quote]
Not as bad as you would think. If you stick with your regular flavored wings -they’re zero carb. It’s the flavors that’ll get you.
Food Item | Calories | Calories from Fat | Total Fat | Saturated Fat | Trans Fat Cholesterol |Sodium |Carbs | Dietary Fiber |Sugar |Protein
Wings (each) 72 47 5 1 0 26 66 0 0 0 6
Sauces nutrition below:
Sweet BBQ 40 0 0 0 0 0 460 8 0 8 0
Teriyaki 70 0 0 0 0 0 1100 14 0 12 0
Mild 50 50 5 0 0 10 1040 2 0 0 0
Parmesan Garlic 120 120 12 2 0 10 740 2 0 2 2
Medium 40 40 4 0 0 10 1160 2 0 0 0
Honey BBQ 70 0 0 0 0 0 400 18 0 14 0
Spicy garlic 50 40 4 0 0 10 1220 4 0 0 0
Asian Zing 90 0 0 0 0 0 580 22 0 20 0
Caribbean Jerk 80 30 3 0 0 0 500 12 0 12 0
Hot 50 40 4 0 0 10 1200 2 0 0 0
Hot BBQ 40 20 2 0 0 0 740 6 0 4 0
Mango Habanera 80 0 0 0 0 0 460 20 0 14 0
Wild® 50 40 4 0 0 10 1160 4 0 0 0
Blazin ® 60 50 5 0 0 10 1280 2 0 0 0
Honey Mustard 80 50 6 0 0 10 320 6 0 6 0
Pepper Infusion ® 90 80 9 2 0 5 780 2 1 1 0
Desert Heat® Based on 1/2 tsp 8 2 0 0 0 0 380 1 0 1 0
Bleu Cheese 280 280 30 6 0 30 480 2 0 2 2
Ranch Dressing 320 300 30 4 0 10 440 2 0 2 0
Southwestern Ranch 320 320 34 5 0 10 740 2 0 2 0
[quote]ds1973 wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
10 Buffalo Wings 734 calories 46g fat 81g protein 1g carb.
Zaxbys wings![/quote]
I hope those wings are from free-range omega-3 chickens and fried in coconut (or peanut) oil… LOL…
[/quote]
Meh screw that. I am looking for the hormones and steroids in my wings - it’ll raise my test levels through the roof through the transitive property?
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
Off day
10:00 Wake up
12:30 Cup of Kiefer protein coffee - 1g carbs
13:00 Cup of Kiefer protein coffee - 1g carbs
15:45 8oz chicken, 6tbs salsa, 1oz cheese veggies - 7g carbs
16:15 Protein Tea - 1g carbs
17:45 Protein Tea - 1g carbs
19:00 4 eggs, 8oz ham, onion, bean sprouts - 8g carbs
20:45 10oz chicken, 6tbs salsa, onion, green onion, asparagus, celery - 7g carbs
Total: 26g[/quote]
How are your ratios on Off days? Do you keep the fats and proteins the same?
[quote]Webseeker wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
Off day
10:00 Wake up
12:30 Cup of Kiefer protein coffee - 1g carbs
13:00 Cup of Kiefer protein coffee - 1g carbs
15:45 8oz chicken, 6tbs salsa, 1oz cheese veggies - 7g carbs
16:15 Protein Tea - 1g carbs
17:45 Protein Tea - 1g carbs
19:00 4 eggs, 8oz ham, onion, bean sprouts - 8g carbs
20:45 10oz chicken, 6tbs salsa, onion, green onion, asparagus, celery - 7g carbs
Total: 26g[/quote]
How are your ratios on Off days? Do you keep the fats and proteins the same?[/quote]
I’m on a plan with JM right now, but that above post was an off day for me.
Been reading this thread, haven’t finished it all just yet, but had a couple questions about CBL. Does Kiefer mention anything about taking BCAA’s or EAA’s in the morning when waking up?
I read what Siouxfan said about taking 10 grams of protein and how it’s just enough not to spike insulin but was wondering what would happen with taking aminos.
I was also wondering if he talks about doing cardio or low intensity workouts on the muscles and how they affect your muscles compared to weightlifting? I take Muay Thai and it’s more of a cardio/low intensity on the muscles workout and I’m wondering if that would affect how many carbs you would consume post workout compared to weightlifting.
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
Been reading this thread, haven’t finished it all just yet, but had a couple questions about CBL. Does Kiefer mention anything about taking BCAA’s or EAA’s in the morning when waking up?
I read what Siouxfan said about taking 10 grams of protein and how it’s just enough not to spike insulin but was wondering what would happen with taking aminos.
I was also wondering if he talks about doing cardio or low intensity workouts on the muscles and how they affect your muscles compared to weightlifting? I take Muay Thai and it’s more of a cardio/low intensity on the muscles workout and I’m wondering if that would affect how many carbs you would consume post workout compared to weightlifting.[/quote]
He is against this in the low carb part of the day. But he’s all for this type of stuff PWO though, when you are actively after a high insulin response and influx of aminos.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
Been reading this thread, haven’t finished it all just yet, but had a couple questions about CBL. Does Kiefer mention anything about taking BCAA’s or EAA’s in the morning when waking up?
I read what Siouxfan said about taking 10 grams of protein and how it’s just enough not to spike insulin but was wondering what would happen with taking aminos.
I was also wondering if he talks about doing cardio or low intensity workouts on the muscles and how they affect your muscles compared to weightlifting? I take Muay Thai and it’s more of a cardio/low intensity on the muscles workout and I’m wondering if that would affect how many carbs you would consume post workout compared to weightlifting.[/quote]
He is against this in the low carb part of the day. But he’s all for this type of stuff PWO though, when you are actively after a high insulin response and influx of aminos.
[/quote]
Does he say why? I’ve read some guys on here had great results pulsing with aminos while IM fasting. I’ve actually been doing the same but I’m just waiting until 2-3 hours after waking up to take a scoop of EAAs. Does it cause an insulin spike or something?
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
Does he say why? I’ve read some guys on here had great results pulsing with aminos while IM fasting. I’ve actually been doing the same but I’m just waiting until 2-3 hours after waking up to take a scoop of EAAs. Does it cause an insulin spike or something?[/quote]
Yup. Causes enough disruption to negate the majority of the benefits of fasting.
I think its worth trying to fast without them to start off with, and then add them in later if at all. Most people add them in straight away, almost as an unconcious reaction to all the bodybuilding diet dogma. They are willing to try an unorthodox approach, yet still have a tiny part of their mind saying “Ill waste away if I dont get aminos!” Martin Berkhan (of Leangains fame) also advises BCAAs just prior to or during workouts, but not during the fasted part of the day.
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
Does he say why? I’ve read some guys on here had great results pulsing with aminos while IM fasting. I’ve actually been doing the same but I’m just waiting until 2-3 hours after waking up to take a scoop of EAAs. Does it cause an insulin spike or something?[/quote]
Yup. Causes enough disruption to negate the majority of the benefits of fasting.
I think its worth trying to fast without them to start off with, and then add them in later if at all. Most people add them in straight away, almost as an unconcious reaction to all the bodybuilding diet dogma. They are willing to try an unorthodox approach, yet still have a tiny part of their mind saying “Ill waste away if I dont get aminos!” Martin Berkhan (of Leangains fame) also advises BCAAs just prior to or during workouts, but not during the fasted part of the day. [/quote]
Interesting. I guess I’ll drop them and just take more during the workout period.
Does Kiefer mention anything about a cardio/low intensity workout and whether you carb load a different amount of carbs after those workouts? I’m curious whether the muscles would need the same amount of carbs or not to CBL on for recovery.
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
Does he say why? I’ve read some guys on here had great results pulsing with aminos while IM fasting. I’ve actually been doing the same but I’m just waiting until 2-3 hours after waking up to take a scoop of EAAs. Does it cause an insulin spike or something?[/quote]
Yup. Causes enough disruption to negate the majority of the benefits of fasting.
I think its worth trying to fast without them to start off with, and then add them in later if at all. Most people add them in straight away, almost as an unconcious reaction to all the bodybuilding diet dogma. They are willing to try an unorthodox approach, yet still have a tiny part of their mind saying “Ill waste away if I dont get aminos!” Martin Berkhan (of Leangains fame) also advises BCAAs just prior to or during workouts, but not during the fasted part of the day. [/quote]
Interesting. I guess I’ll drop them and just take more during the workout period.
Does Kiefer mention anything about a cardio/low intensity workout and whether you carb load a different amount of carbs after those workouts? I’m curious whether the muscles would need the same amount of carbs or not to CBL on for recovery.[/quote]
Kiefer is not a fan of Steady State Cardio. And from what Im hearing not that big a fan of intervals for fatloss either. If you were training with a sufficient volume on HIIT a backload could work. Otherwise no. Skip it
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
Does he say why? I’ve read some guys on here had great results pulsing with aminos while IM fasting. I’ve actually been doing the same but I’m just waiting until 2-3 hours after waking up to take a scoop of EAAs. Does it cause an insulin spike or something?[/quote]
Yup. Causes enough disruption to negate the majority of the benefits of fasting.
I think its worth trying to fast without them to start off with, and then add them in later if at all. Most people add them in straight away, almost as an unconcious reaction to all the bodybuilding diet dogma. They are willing to try an unorthodox approach, yet still have a tiny part of their mind saying “Ill waste away if I dont get aminos!” Martin Berkhan (of Leangains fame) also advises BCAAs just prior to or during workouts, but not during the fasted part of the day. [/quote]
Interesting. I guess I’ll drop them and just take more during the workout period.
Does Kiefer mention anything about a cardio/low intensity workout and whether you carb load a different amount of carbs after those workouts? I’m curious whether the muscles would need the same amount of carbs or not to CBL on for recovery.[/quote]
Kiefer is not a fan of Steady State Cardio. And from what Im hearing not that big a fan of intervals for fatloss either. If you were training with a sufficient volume on HIIT a backload could work. Otherwise no. Skip it[/quote]
i just read his backloading ebook and he states that HIIT is fine for fat loss actually.
to poster above ^ he says no backload if you arent resistance training that day and only doing cardio.
Personalloy love fasted cardio for fat loss and health reasons
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Personalloy love fasted cardio for fat loss and health reasons
[/quote]
You and me both. I saw the best results doing it.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Personalloy love fasted cardio for fat loss and health reasons
[/quote]
from everything ive read im under the impression fasted cardio is extremely catabolic though?
does anybody else feel extremely hot during their carb backload? i cant stop sweating even with the fan on full blast.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
does anybody else feel extremely hot during their carb backload? i cant stop sweating even with the fan on full blast.[/quote]
Yeah, same here. Makes me feel like it’s working. lol
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]Grimlorn wrote:
Does he say why? I’ve read some guys on here had great results pulsing with aminos while IM fasting. I’ve actually been doing the same but I’m just waiting until 2-3 hours after waking up to take a scoop of EAAs. Does it cause an insulin spike or something?[/quote]
Yup. Causes enough disruption to negate the majority of the benefits of fasting.
I think its worth trying to fast without them to start off with, and then add them in later if at all. Most people add them in straight away, almost as an unconcious reaction to all the bodybuilding diet dogma. They are willing to try an unorthodox approach, yet still have a tiny part of their mind saying “Ill waste away if I dont get aminos!” Martin Berkhan (of Leangains fame) also advises BCAAs just prior to or during workouts, but not during the fasted part of the day. [/quote]
Interesting. I guess I’ll drop them and just take more during the workout period.
Does Kiefer mention anything about a cardio/low intensity workout and whether you carb load a different amount of carbs after those workouts? I’m curious whether the muscles would need the same amount of carbs or not to CBL on for recovery.[/quote]
Kiefer is not a fan of Steady State Cardio. And from what Im hearing not that big a fan of intervals for fatloss either. If you were training with a sufficient volume on HIIT a backload could work. Otherwise no. Skip it[/quote]
i just read his backloading ebook and he states that HIIT is fine for fat loss actually.
to poster above ^ he says no backload if you arent resistance training that day and only doing cardio.[/quote]
See I figured he had something about cardio or HIIT but punching and kicking bags, pads and people is a little different. I wonder how that affects the muscles as it’s quite a bit different than just regular cardio. We never hear about this stuff when it comes to boxing or martial arts. It’s kind of annoying.
[quote]wannabebig250 wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Personalloy love fasted cardio for fat loss and health reasons
[/quote]
from everything ive read im under the impression fasted cardio is extremely catabolic though?[/quote]
Catabolic is good as long as its not muscle. Catabolic in fat tissue good. And as long as you are not deep into an extended fast you will not be eating up muscle especially doing LISS fasted. That is mainly fat burning. And quite fun if you can catch a good show on TV or a good book to read