[quote]moogweasel wrote:
Ryan
Seconded. Surley we’ve all put that ‘regular meal keep the metabolism revving’ by eating every 2-3 hours bullshit to bed.
Just my usual little input via a little rant
bigmetalguy - Thants a meal right there ;0)[/quote]
Thank you sir…If I get enough support I may actually attempt to eat a barbell…
I reckon you be alright getting it down…Shitting it out may be problematic, especially sideways.
This said ‘bigmetalguy’ does suggest you’ll give it a good fucking shot
Bravo
[quote]moogweasel wrote:
I reckon you be alright getting it down…Shitting it out may be problematic, especially sideways.
This said ‘bigmetalguy’ does suggest you’ll give it a good fucking shot
Bravo[/quote]
Fiber loading is the key, my dear moog…That and a long read for when it starts to pass through the GI tract.
Oh mate…
I live and work in Bangkok Thailand and I love the spicy food, so am somewhat of a expert on ‘the passage of food through ones person’. I spend the majority of my life with an arsehole like a blood orange. Fucking good food though.
Wasn’t this thread about carb backloading? Sorry about dragging it down to a rectal level.
Anyway. I’ve swapped from the carbnite approach to CBL and am most certainly getting better results and find it easier to stick to with 3 ‘carb fests’ after my total body sessions. Muay Thai + BJJ 2 -3 times a week as my HITT. That said I am a ‘weasel’ in that I’m only 175lbs, less if I blow my nose or take a dump. Deadlifted 200kg for a double on Monday though, so not as weak as the 175 when soaking wet. BF about 10-12% - I’d like 7-8%, and an extra inch or 2 on my co…
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8:00 wake up
10:00 tea with splenda - 2g carbs
12:30 Shake with pb 16g carbs
15:00 GYM
Standind DB curls/Hammer curls: 35x6/6, 35x6/6, 35x6/6, 35x6/6
SS
Machine curls: 70x6, 70x6, 55x6, 55x6
Standing EZ bar curl: 50x8, 60x8, 60x8
SS
Single arm DB preacher: 20x8, 25x8, 25x8
Rope pushdowns: #5 pltx15, #5pltx15, #5pltx15, #5pltx15, #5pltx15
JM press w ez bar: 50x12, 60x10, 70x8
Pushdowns on pulley: 35x25, 35x25, 35x25
17:15 PWO SHAKE (3 scoops, 50g dextrose) - 60g carbs
18:00 10oz chicken, 10oz rice, BBQ sauce - 100g carbs
18:15 Yoghurt and granola - 220g carbs
22:30 1/3rd of cake slice - 110 carbs
TOTAL: 508g carbs…Tad high, we’ll see what Sunday’s weight is after some water loading and low carb tomorrow.
I’d also say I’d swear I’m getting leaner. Not sure though. I had a similar situation my first brief try where I’d stay the same weight for a while then all of a sudden 5 pounds would just fall off. Might have happened again. We’ll see.
Morning weight was 237.8, So I can assume that since I usually jump up a couple pounds after a backload, and I practically pissed clear this morning that I dropped some weight.
Also have been really beat this last week. I think it’s the Mountain Dog training. John mentions he likes to take you just to the point of overtraining and then back off. Since I’m close to my last couple weeks I think that’s the point I’m at now. Just really tired lol.
8:00 wake up
9:00 tea with stevia - 1g carb
11:30 Shake - 6g carbs
12:00 fiber shake
13:00 Tea with stevia - 1g carb
14:00 7oz chicken, head of steamed brocoli, dressing - 2g carbs
16:30 Shake - 6g carbs
19:05 tea with stevia - 1g carbs
20:20 10oz chicken, head of brocoli, dressing - 2g carbs
21:00 Fiber shake
TOTAL: 19g carbs
*man I wanted the rest of that cake so bad…but seeing that I can notice a bit more leanness I abstained. Maybe it was trimming the belly hair hahaha.
[quote]pshannon wrote:
I have been reading through this MASSIVE thread for a few days now, have done a lot of research and I think I want to start this. I don’t want to waste the 90 bucks if i decided that i’m not 100% committed. Does anyone have an exert from the book, or even better the actual PDF of he book that I could read.
Thanks[/quote]
Take your 1 post and get out
[quote]gb419 wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
Weight dropped to 233 this morning, I’m thinking that’s more of a lack of water yesterday though.[/quote]
I have read this thread from post #1 (before Christmas)…I am backloading as well. Keeping my carbs below 20 until post w/o, then balls to the wall. One thought, or tweak so to speak…I agree with the “fasting” for the first few hours of the day, but once you have your first meal, you should keep eating every 2-2.5 hrs. to keep your metabolism up and promote REAL fat burning for the pre w/o section of the day…then post w/o keep up with your current regimen. You would promote a REAL HEALTHY SHREDDED PHYSIQUE, fasting is not a problem for the first part of the day, but once you START eating, you have to keep your metabolism firing or you keep the “skinny fat” thing going. If you have been doing this for 4 months now, you should be fucking ripped to shreds, with all kinds of lean mass gains. I didn’t start skinny, I started big…19%BF…and I am losing FAT consistently, while gaining strength and lean mass. I fast for a few (2.5-3 hrs) then eat regularly for the rest of the day, just manipulate my carbs. ZERO to burn…A LOT to grow[/quote]
Myth: Eat frequently to “stoke the metabolic fire”.
Truth
Each time you eat, metabolic rate increases slightly for a few hours. Paradoxically, it takes energy to break down and absorb energy. This is the Thermic Effect of Food (TEF). The amount of energy expended is directly proportional to the amount of calories and nutrients consumed in the meal.
Let’s assume that we are measuring TEF during 24 hours in a diet of 2700 kcal with 40% protein, 40% carbohydrate and 20% fat. We run three different trials where the only thing we change is the the meal frequency.
A) Three meals: 900 kcal per meal.
B) Six meals: 450 kcal per meal.
C) Nine meals: 300 kcal per meal.
What we’d find is a different pattern in regards to TEF. Example “A” would yield a larger and long lasting boost in metabolic rate that would gradually taper off until the next meal came around; TEF would show a “peak and valley”-pattern. “C” would yield a very weak but consistent boost in metabolic rate; an even pattern. “B” would be somewhere in between.
However, at the end of the 24-hour period, or as long as it would take to assimilate the nutrients, there would be no difference in TEF. The total amount of energy expended by TEF would be identical in each scenario. Meal frequency does not affect total TEF. You cannot “trick” the body in to burning more or less calories by manipulating meal frequency.
Further reading: I have covered the topic of meal frequency at great length on this site before.
The most extensive review of studies on various meal frequencies and TEF was published in 1997. It looked at many different studies that compared TEF during meal frequencies ranging from 1-17 meals and concluded:
“Studies using whole-body calorimetry and doubly-labelled water to assess total 24 h energy expenditure find no difference between nibbling and gorging”.
Since then, no studies have refuted this. For a summary of the above cited study, read this research review by Lyle McDonald.
Earlier this year, a new study was published on the topic. As expected, no differences were found between a lower (3 meals) and higher meal (6 meals) frequency. Read this post for my summary of the study. This study garnered some attention in the mass media and it was nice to see the meal frequency myth being debunked in The New York Times.
Origin
Seeing how conclusive and clear research is on the topic of meal frequency, you might wonder why it is that some people, quite often RDs in fact, keep repeating the myth of “stoking the metabolic fire” by eating small meals on a frequent basis. My best guess is that they’ve somehow misunderstood TEF. After all, they’re technically right to say you keep your metabolism humming along by eating frequently. They just missed that critical part where it was explained that TEF is proportional to the calories consumed in each meal.
Another guess is that they base the advice on some epidemiological studies that found an inverse correlation between high meal frequency and body weight in the population. What that means is that researchers may look at the dietary pattern of thousands individuals and find that those who eat more frequently tend to weigh less than those who eat less frequently. It’s important to point out that these studies are uncontrolled in terms of calorie intake and are done on Average Joes (i.e. normal people who do not count calories and just eat spontaneously like most people).
There’s a saying that goes “correlation does not imply causation” and this warrants further explanation since it explains many other dietary myths and fallacies. Just because there’s a connection between low meal frequencies and higher body weights, doesn’t mean that low meal frequencies cause weight gain. Those studies likely show that people who tend to eat less frequently have:
Dysregulated eating patterns; the personality type that skips breakfast in favor of a donut in the car on the way to work, undereat during the day, and overeat in the evening. They tend to be less concerned with health and diet than those who eat more frequently.
Another feasible explanation for the association between low meal frequencies and higher body weight is that meal skipping is often used as a weight loss strategy. People who are overweight are more likely to be on a diet and eat fewer meals.
The connection between lower meal frequency and higher body weight in the general population, and vice versa, is connected to behavioral patterns - not metabolism.
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
Morning weight was 237.8, So I can assume that since I usually jump up a couple pounds after a backload, and I practically pissed clear this morning that I dropped some weight.
Also have been really beat this last week. I think it’s the Mountain Dog training. John mentions he likes to take you just to the point of overtraining and then back off. Since I’m close to my last couple weeks I think that’s the point I’m at now. Just really tired lol.
8:00 wake up
9:00 tea with stevia - 1g carb
11:30 Shake - 6g carbs
12:00 fiber shake
13:00 Tea with stevia - 1g carb
14:00 7oz chicken, head of steamed brocoli, dressing - 2g carbs
16:30 Shake - 6g carbs
19:05 tea with stevia - 1g carbs
20:20 10oz chicken, head of brocoli, dressing - 2g carbs
21:00 Fiber shake
TOTAL: 19g carbs
*man I wanted the rest of that cake so bad…but seeing that I can notice a bit more leanness I abstained. Maybe it was trimming the belly hair hahaha.
[/quote]
How many calories does that end up being?
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
Morning weight was 237.8, So I can assume that since I usually jump up a couple pounds after a backload, and I practically pissed clear this morning that I dropped some weight.
Also have been really beat this last week. I think it’s the Mountain Dog training. John mentions he likes to take you just to the point of overtraining and then back off. Since I’m close to my last couple weeks I think that’s the point I’m at now. Just really tired lol.
8:00 wake up
9:00 tea with stevia - 1g carb
11:30 Shake - 6g carbs
12:00 fiber shake
13:00 Tea with stevia - 1g carb
14:00 7oz chicken, head of steamed brocoli, dressing - 2g carbs
16:30 Shake - 6g carbs
19:05 tea with stevia - 1g carbs
20:20 10oz chicken, head of brocoli, dressing - 2g carbs
21:00 Fiber shake
TOTAL: 19g carbs
*man I wanted the rest of that cake so bad…but seeing that I can notice a bit more leanness I abstained. Maybe it was trimming the belly hair hahaha.
[/quote]
How many calories does that end up being?[/quote]
I have no idea. I don’t count my calories lol. I suppose I could do it one day though for fun 
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
Morning weight was 237.8, So I can assume that since I usually jump up a couple pounds after a backload, and I practically pissed clear this morning that I dropped some weight.
Also have been really beat this last week. I think it’s the Mountain Dog training. John mentions he likes to take you just to the point of overtraining and then back off. Since I’m close to my last couple weeks I think that’s the point I’m at now. Just really tired lol.
8:00 wake up
9:00 tea with stevia - 1g carb
11:30 Shake - 6g carbs
12:00 fiber shake
13:00 Tea with stevia - 1g carb
14:00 7oz chicken, head of steamed brocoli, dressing - 2g carbs
16:30 Shake - 6g carbs
19:05 tea with stevia - 1g carbs
20:20 10oz chicken, head of brocoli, dressing - 2g carbs
21:00 Fiber shake
TOTAL: 19g carbs
*man I wanted the rest of that cake so bad…but seeing that I can notice a bit more leanness I abstained. Maybe it was trimming the belly hair hahaha.
[/quote]
How many calories does that end up being?[/quote]
I have no idea. I don’t count my calories lol. I suppose I could do it one day though for fun
[/quote]
The hardest thing I find to keep track of is protein from meat. I just go by, more the better haha.
[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
The hardest thing I find to keep track of is protein from meat. I just go by, more the better haha.[/quote]
Lol thats what i do. Plus i just love to eat pro. Cant help it. Its my fav macro
weight was 237.4 this morning
7:00 wake up
8:00 tea - 1g carb
8:30 4 mile walk with dogs
11:15 shake with pb - 15g carbs
13:30 fiber shake + pills
15:00 GYM
Toe press on leg press: 2ppsx60sec, 2ppsx60sec, 2ppsx60sec, 2ppsx60sec
Stiff legged DL: 275x10, 275x10, 275x10, 275x10
Leg press: 1ppsx10, 2ppsx10, 3ppsx10, 4ppsx10, 5ppsx10, 6ppsx10, 7ppsx10, 8ppsx8, 8ppsx8, 8ppsx8, 8ppsx8
Leg ext: 155x15, 200x15, 230x20
Hack squat: 1.25x12, 1.25x12, 1.25x12, 1.25x12, 1.25x12
Lying leg curl: 110x10, 110x10, 110x10, 110x10
PWO SHAKE: 3 scoops, 2 bananas - 50g carbs
19:00-Midnight:
2 pints choc milk: 640 cals, 128g carbs
snickerdoodle cookies: 780 cals, 126g carbs
Chicken lasagna: 1,200 cals, 104g carbs
Rest of cake: 922cals, 113g carbs
Dinner total: 3,542 calories, 471g carbs
TOTAL: 537g carbs
Also, since I didn’t post this last night it allowed me to weigh this morning. I was 239.7. So a slight gain as to be expected, but I’m officially under 240 even after a heavy backload on leg day.
I only counted the calories in the meat and shakes. Who counts calories in veggies haha. And in the pic from left to right:
2 celery stalks, one yellow bell pepper, 3 green onions, 1/4 of a leek (I eat the leaves too) and a handfull of bean sprouts.
TOTAL CALORIES: 2902
TOTAL CARBS: 27g cabs
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
9:00 wake up
10-12 two cups of tea + heavy cream - 3g carbs 300 calories
13:00 shake - 6g carbs -280cals
15:00 Shake - 6g carbs - 280cals
18:15 Pound of veggies (pic attached), 11oz ground beef, 4tbs dressing (to help it slide down lol) - 6g carbs, 1,136 cals
18:45 tea with stevia and cream - 100 calories
22:07, same as above with 11oz chicken instead: 806 cals, 6g carbs
I only counted the calories in the meat and shakes. Who counts calories in veggies haha. And in the pic from left to right:
2 celery stalks, one yellow bell pepper, 3 green onions, 1/4 of a leek (I eat the leaves too) and a handfull of bean sprouts.
TOTAL CALORIES: 2902
TOTAL CARBS: 27g cabs[/quote]
I’ve been following your thread from the start because I’ve always dieted similar to this before I ever heard of backloading. I’ve always done kind of a hybrid backloading/intermittent fasting type diet when not doing AD. I haven’t had a chance to purchase the book yet, but I have a couple questions for you if you don’t mind.
I notice that on your days off from training you stay under 30 gms of carbs. Then on training days you’re upwards of around 400-500 give or take. Is this the prefered method mentioned in the book or did you come up with this on your own, and also how did you arrive at that amount of carbs on training days? ( I understand the logic for the under 30 on non training days for the most part)
My next question which is sort of related to the first is what if I just backloaded roughly 150-200 grms of carbs everyday regardless of training or not? Would this work, not work, and if not for what reasons?
My logic is that I feel backloading as many carbs as you do on training days is too high for me and if I keep the carbs moderately lower then I can still have about 150 gms at night on non training days (to make life easier)and 250 on training days, and in the end my overall carb intake for the week would be roughly the same or actually lower. Your thoughts?
[quote]as wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
9:00 wake up
10-12 two cups of tea + heavy cream - 3g carbs 300 calories
13:00 shake - 6g carbs -280cals
15:00 Shake - 6g carbs - 280cals
18:15 Pound of veggies (pic attached), 11oz ground beef, 4tbs dressing (to help it slide down lol) - 6g carbs, 1,136 cals
18:45 tea with stevia and cream - 100 calories
22:07, same as above with 11oz chicken instead: 806 cals, 6g carbs
I only counted the calories in the meat and shakes. Who counts calories in veggies haha. And in the pic from left to right:
2 celery stalks, one yellow bell pepper, 3 green onions, 1/4 of a leek (I eat the leaves too) and a handfull of bean sprouts.
TOTAL CALORIES: 2902
TOTAL CARBS: 27g cabs[/quote]
I’ve been following your thread from the start because I’ve always dieted similar to this before I ever heard of backloading. I’ve always done kind of a hybrid backloading/intermittent fasting type diet when not doing AD. I haven’t had a chance to purchase the book yet, but I have a couple questions for you if you don’t mind.
I notice that on your days off from training you stay under 30 gms of carbs. Then on training days you’re upwards of around 400-500 give or take. Is this the prefered method mentioned in the book or did you come up with this on your own, and also how did you arrive at that amount of carbs on training days? ( I understand the logic for the under 30 on non training days for the most part)
My next question which is sort of related to the first is what if I just backloaded roughly 150-200 grms of carbs everyday regardless of training or not? Would this work, not work, and if not for what reasons?
My logic is that I feel backloading as many carbs as you do on training days is too high for me and if I keep the carbs moderately lower then I can still have about 150 gms at night on non training days (to make life easier)and 250 on training days, and in the end my overall carb intake for the week would be roughly the same or actually lower. Your thoughts?[/quote]
The carbs on training days are what I’ve come too on my own. I COULD eat more, but to get above 500g of carbs I really really have to stuff myself. Or eat large amounts of sweets. I’m trying to get leaner, so I’m keeping my carbs cleaner, which means that it’s harder to eat a large amount of them. Not that I wouldn’t be able to polish off an entire tray of cinnabons. I can, just try not to.
There are two types of diets that you can do with CBL. Density bulking is for those who want to gain mass with little to no fait gain. That’s where you can backload on all days. The other type (Strength accumulation) is where you want to get lean. I’m doing the latter. If you want to get lean supposedly you can’t backload on all your days. At least that’s how I understand it. With DB you backload all days, with SA you only backload on days you workout. On the days you dont, you keep your carb count below 30g for the day.
And if that’s you in your pic, keep doin what you’re doing man. It’s obviously been working lol
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]as wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
9:00 wake up
10-12 two cups of tea + heavy cream - 3g carbs 300 calories
13:00 shake - 6g carbs -280cals
15:00 Shake - 6g carbs - 280cals
18:15 Pound of veggies (pic attached), 11oz ground beef, 4tbs dressing (to help it slide down lol) - 6g carbs, 1,136 cals
18:45 tea with stevia and cream - 100 calories
22:07, same as above with 11oz chicken instead: 806 cals, 6g carbs
I only counted the calories in the meat and shakes. Who counts calories in veggies haha. And in the pic from left to right:
2 celery stalks, one yellow bell pepper, 3 green onions, 1/4 of a leek (I eat the leaves too) and a handfull of bean sprouts.
TOTAL CALORIES: 2902
TOTAL CARBS: 27g cabs[/quote]
I’ve been following your thread from the start because I’ve always dieted similar to this before I ever heard of backloading. I’ve always done kind of a hybrid backloading/intermittent fasting type diet when not doing AD. I haven’t had a chance to purchase the book yet, but I have a couple questions for you if you don’t mind.
I notice that on your days off from training you stay under 30 gms of carbs. Then on training days you’re upwards of around 400-500 give or take. Is this the prefered method mentioned in the book or did you come up with this on your own, and also how did you arrive at that amount of carbs on training days? ( I understand the logic for the under 30 on non training days for the most part)
My next question which is sort of related to the first is what if I just backloaded roughly 150-200 grms of carbs everyday regardless of training or not? Would this work, not work, and if not for what reasons?
My logic is that I feel backloading as many carbs as you do on training days is too high for me and if I keep the carbs moderately lower then I can still have about 150 gms at night on non training days (to make life easier)and 250 on training days, and in the end my overall carb intake for the week would be roughly the same or actually lower. Your thoughts?[/quote]
The carbs on training days are what I’ve come too on my own. I COULD eat more, but to get above 500g of carbs I really really have to stuff myself. Or eat large amounts of sweets. I’m trying to get leaner, so I’m keeping my carbs cleaner, which means that it’s harder to eat a large amount of them. Not that I wouldn’t be able to polish off an entire tray of cinnabons. I can, just try not to.
There are two types of diets that you can do with CBL. Density bulking is for those who want to gain mass with little to no fait gain. That’s where you can backload on all days. The other type (Strength accumulation) is where you want to get lean. I’m doing the latter. If you want to get lean supposedly you can’t backload on all your days. At least that’s how I understand it. With DB you backload all days, with SA you only backload on days you workout. On the days you dont, you keep your carb count below 30g for the day.
And if that’s you in your pic, keep doin what you’re doing man. It’s obviously been working lol[/quote]
Ok thanks, that’s exactly the info I was looking for. Yeah that’s my pic. I pretty much know what I have to do do get ripped but always looking to learn new stuff and find ways to make it more liveable like with IF and CBL because it coincides with my lifestyle and eating patterns. I find AD or Body Opus which I normally do a little rough. I try and stay pretty cut most of the time due to having prebucsent gyno which only goes away when I’m failry lean, and now that I’m older my fat doesn’t hold tight to body like when I was younger, so just small amounts of fat make me not look good naked if you know what I mean.
One more question on your carb intake formula. Did you come to that amount by trial and error or just use a formula, etc? Thanks.
[quote]as wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]as wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
9:00 wake up
10-12 two cups of tea + heavy cream - 3g carbs 300 calories
13:00 shake - 6g carbs -280cals
15:00 Shake - 6g carbs - 280cals
18:15 Pound of veggies (pic attached), 11oz ground beef, 4tbs dressing (to help it slide down lol) - 6g carbs, 1,136 cals
18:45 tea with stevia and cream - 100 calories
22:07, same as above with 11oz chicken instead: 806 cals, 6g carbs
I only counted the calories in the meat and shakes. Who counts calories in veggies haha. And in the pic from left to right:
2 celery stalks, one yellow bell pepper, 3 green onions, 1/4 of a leek (I eat the leaves too) and a handfull of bean sprouts.
TOTAL CALORIES: 2902
TOTAL CARBS: 27g cabs[/quote]
I’ve been following your thread from the start because I’ve always dieted similar to this before I ever heard of backloading. I’ve always done kind of a hybrid backloading/intermittent fasting type diet when not doing AD. I haven’t had a chance to purchase the book yet, but I have a couple questions for you if you don’t mind.
I notice that on your days off from training you stay under 30 gms of carbs. Then on training days you’re upwards of around 400-500 give or take. Is this the prefered method mentioned in the book or did you come up with this on your own, and also how did you arrive at that amount of carbs on training days? ( I understand the logic for the under 30 on non training days for the most part)
My next question which is sort of related to the first is what if I just backloaded roughly 150-200 grms of carbs everyday regardless of training or not? Would this work, not work, and if not for what reasons?
My logic is that I feel backloading as many carbs as you do on training days is too high for me and if I keep the carbs moderately lower then I can still have about 150 gms at night on non training days (to make life easier)and 250 on training days, and in the end my overall carb intake for the week would be roughly the same or actually lower. Your thoughts?[/quote]
The carbs on training days are what I’ve come too on my own. I COULD eat more, but to get above 500g of carbs I really really have to stuff myself. Or eat large amounts of sweets. I’m trying to get leaner, so I’m keeping my carbs cleaner, which means that it’s harder to eat a large amount of them. Not that I wouldn’t be able to polish off an entire tray of cinnabons. I can, just try not to.
There are two types of diets that you can do with CBL. Density bulking is for those who want to gain mass with little to no fait gain. That’s where you can backload on all days. The other type (Strength accumulation) is where you want to get lean. I’m doing the latter. If you want to get lean supposedly you can’t backload on all your days. At least that’s how I understand it. With DB you backload all days, with SA you only backload on days you workout. On the days you dont, you keep your carb count below 30g for the day.
And if that’s you in your pic, keep doin what you’re doing man. It’s obviously been working lol[/quote]
Ok thanks, that’s exactly the info I was looking for. Yeah that’s my pic. I pretty much know what I have to do do get ripped but always looking to learn new stuff and find ways to make it more liveable like with IF and CBL because it coincides with my lifestyle and eating patterns. I find AD or Body Opus which I normally do a little rough. I try and stay pretty cut most of the time due to having prebucsent gyno which only goes away when I’m failry lean, and now that I’m older my fat doesn’t hold tight to body like when I was younger, so just small amounts of fat make me not look good naked if you know what I mean.
One more question on your carb intake formula. Did you come to that amount by trial and error or just use a formula, etc? Thanks.[/quote]
Haha if you look like that, and I look like I do, I should be asking you the questions! But to answer your question, when you do SA there is a 10 day “prep” phase where you keep the carbs below 30 for the whole 10 days. The amount of weight you lose determines the amount of carbs you can get away with per se. Kiefer has a chart at the back. Mine was something like 900g carbs since I lost 10 pounds initially. Honestly though nobody eats 900g of carbs. So I’ve just been playing around with it on my own. I’ve found it works better for me if I only go crazy on my leg days. I have a tendency to binge eat (but it’s getting better) so I’ll allow myself a “cheat” on leg day and just eat everything and anything. Otherwise I try to keep it to rice if I can, and usually under 300g for the other days.
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]as wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]as wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
9:00 wake up
10-12 two cups of tea + heavy cream - 3g carbs 300 calories
13:00 shake - 6g carbs -280cals
15:00 Shake - 6g carbs - 280cals
18:15 Pound of veggies (pic attached), 11oz ground beef, 4tbs dressing (to help it slide down lol) - 6g carbs, 1,136 cals
18:45 tea with stevia and cream - 100 calories
22:07, same as above with 11oz chicken instead: 806 cals, 6g carbs
I only counted the calories in the meat and shakes. Who counts calories in veggies haha. And in the pic from left to right:
2 celery stalks, one yellow bell pepper, 3 green onions, 1/4 of a leek (I eat the leaves too) and a handfull of bean sprouts.
TOTAL CALORIES: 2902
TOTAL CARBS: 27g cabs[/quote]
I’ve been following your thread from the start because I’ve always dieted similar to this before I ever heard of backloading. I’ve always done kind of a hybrid backloading/intermittent fasting type diet when not doing AD. I haven’t had a chance to purchase the book yet, but I have a couple questions for you if you don’t mind.
I notice that on your days off from training you stay under 30 gms of carbs. Then on training days you’re upwards of around 400-500 give or take. Is this the prefered method mentioned in the book or did you come up with this on your own, and also how did you arrive at that amount of carbs on training days? ( I understand the logic for the under 30 on non training days for the most part)
My next question which is sort of related to the first is what if I just backloaded roughly 150-200 grms of carbs everyday regardless of training or not? Would this work, not work, and if not for what reasons?
My logic is that I feel backloading as many carbs as you do on training days is too high for me and if I keep the carbs moderately lower then I can still have about 150 gms at night on non training days (to make life easier)and 250 on training days, and in the end my overall carb intake for the week would be roughly the same or actually lower. Your thoughts?[/quote]
The carbs on training days are what I’ve come too on my own. I COULD eat more, but to get above 500g of carbs I really really have to stuff myself. Or eat large amounts of sweets. I’m trying to get leaner, so I’m keeping my carbs cleaner, which means that it’s harder to eat a large amount of them. Not that I wouldn’t be able to polish off an entire tray of cinnabons. I can, just try not to.
There are two types of diets that you can do with CBL. Density bulking is for those who want to gain mass with little to no fait gain. That’s where you can backload on all days. The other type (Strength accumulation) is where you want to get lean. I’m doing the latter. If you want to get lean supposedly you can’t backload on all your days. At least that’s how I understand it. With DB you backload all days, with SA you only backload on days you workout. On the days you dont, you keep your carb count below 30g for the day.
And if that’s you in your pic, keep doin what you’re doing man. It’s obviously been working lol[/quote]
Ok thanks, that’s exactly the info I was looking for. Yeah that’s my pic. I pretty much know what I have to do do get ripped but always looking to learn new stuff and find ways to make it more liveable like with IF and CBL because it coincides with my lifestyle and eating patterns. I find AD or Body Opus which I normally do a little rough. I try and stay pretty cut most of the time due to having prebucsent gyno which only goes away when I’m failry lean, and now that I’m older my fat doesn’t hold tight to body like when I was younger, so just small amounts of fat make me not look good naked if you know what I mean.
One more question on your carb intake formula. Did you come to that amount by trial and error or just use a formula, etc? Thanks.[/quote]
Haha if you look like that, and I look like I do, I should be asking you the questions! But to answer your question, when you do SA there is a 10 day “prep” phase where you keep the carbs below 30 for the whole 10 days. The amount of weight you lose determines the amount of carbs you can get away with per se. Kiefer has a chart at the back. Mine was something like 900g carbs since I lost 10 pounds initially. Honestly though nobody eats 900g of carbs. So I’ve just been playing around with it on my own. I’ve found it works better for me if I only go crazy on my leg days. I have a tendency to binge eat (but it’s getting better) so I’ll allow myself a “cheat” on leg day and just eat everything and anything. Otherwise I try to keep it to rice if I can, and usually under 300g for the other days. [/quote]
Ok thanks. Now I can’t wait to buy the book.
So I have a question, I’ll be traveling from this sunday till tuesday. Ideas for low carb food to eat whilst driving?
