I don’t understand why a “clean” carb like oatmeal couldn’t be eaten pwo. I understand that he wants high glycemic foods to quickly spike insulin only to return to normal levels quickly and begin producing growth hormone while sleeping. But if you had oatmeal pwo, and then white potatoes a few hours later, wouldn’t the same thing be accomplished?
[quote]gkeeper24 wrote:
I don’t understand why a “clean” carb like oatmeal couldn’t be eaten pwo. I understand that he wants high glycemic foods to quickly spike insulin only to return to normal levels quickly and begin producing growth hormone while sleeping. But if you had oatmeal pwo, and then white potatoes a few hours later, wouldn’t the same thing be accomplished?[/quote]
I suppose that depends on how long the spike from the oats would be. I personally just ate a shit ton of pasta lol. Some people get good results with clean carbs. Try it out?
8:00 wake up
12:00 3egg, 2.5oz cheese, some pepperoni, lots of veggies - 6g carbs
15:00 GYM
Calves: 3pltx10, 3pltx10, 3plt10, 3pltx10, 3pltx10
ss
Seated toe press: 3ppsx10, 3ppsx10, 3ppsx10, 3ppsx10, 3ppsx10
Seated Leg curl: 240x12, 255x12, 270x12
DB stiff leg: 65x6, 65x6, 65x6, 65x6, 65x6
SS
Leg press: 2ppsx50, 3ppsx40, 4ppsx30, 5ppsx20, 6ppsx10
DB stiff leg: 65x6, 65x6, 65x6
SS
Hack squat: 1ppsx30, 1.25ppsx20, 2ppsx10
17:30 PWO shake 2 scoops, 50g dextrose - 60g carbs
19:20 Spaghetti and sausages - 600g carbs
21:30 shake, milk, pb, dextrose, protein - 70g carbs
TOTAL: 736g carbs PR lol
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]gkeeper24 wrote:
I don’t understand why a “clean” carb like oatmeal couldn’t be eaten pwo. I understand that he wants high glycemic foods to quickly spike insulin only to return to normal levels quickly and begin producing growth hormone while sleeping. But if you had oatmeal pwo, and then white potatoes a few hours later, wouldn’t the same thing be accomplished?[/quote]
I suppose that depends on how long the spike from the oats would be. I personally just ate a shit ton of pasta lol. Some people get good results with clean carbs. Try it out? [/quote]
+1 doesnt hurt to try.
8:00 wake up
10:00 leisurely walk
13:00 3 egg, 1oz salami, small chesse, veggies - 6g carbs
13:30 Tea with stevia - 2g carbs
16:30 Shake - 6g carbs
18:45 shake, pb, cream - 11g carbs
22:00 3 eggs, salami, veggies - 5g carbs
TOTAL: 30g carbs
Weight this morning was 238. Spaghetti bloat is gone. I’ve also been talking with meadows and I’m still thinking of toying with the idea of having him do a basic whole food plan for me to follow while I’m in Oklahoma. When he and I spoke he wanted to get me a little thicker first before trimming off the fat. I don’t think it would be terribly different than what I’m doing now though. Perhaps add 4tbs pb in the shakes, probably keep the carbs PWO. I’ll keep you guys posted.
9:00 wake up
11:00 coffee w/cream + stevia - 2g carbs
12:30 2 egg omelet with salami, veggies, cheese - 6g carbs
13:30 Fiber shake
15:00 GYM
Toe presses on LP sled (60 sec on, 60 sec rest) 1ppsx60 sec, 1ppsx60sec, 1ppsx60sec, 2ppsx60sec
Hammer incline 2.25ppsx12, 2.25ppsx10, 2.25ppsx8+25 partials (first weight was a PR I think, but slowed way down after that)
Incline BB (easy) 135x8, 135x8, 135x8, 135x8
Flat DB press: 75x10, 75x10, 75x10
Decline smith bench: 175x9, 205x5
Cable side laterals (one arm at a time, no rest between) 10x20, 5x20, 5x20, 5x20
Single arm rear delt (same as above): 10x15, 10x15, 10x15, 10x15
Seated DB press: 70x6, 70x6, 70x6
18:00 PWO shake - 50g carbs
19:00 Ultimate cheeseburger from Jack, small fries, small oreo shake - 160g carbs (I found it online, it’s correct)
20:40 PWO shake with milk, pb - 70g carbs
TOTAL: 288g carbs
So if you work with JM will help you program the diet to backloading. I read on his site in the premium content an authro wrote an article that was a diet very very similar to CBL, although some of his reasoning were a bit different. BUt pro/fat and less cals through the day then load on carbs and some pro at night hopeuflly after a workout but if not just less carbs then. So maybe JM would be willing to go that route?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So if you work with JM will help you program the diet to backloading. I read on his site in the premium content an authro wrote an article that was a diet very very similar to CBL, although some of his reasoning were a bit different. BUt pro/fat and less cals through the day then load on carbs and some pro at night hopeuflly after a workout but if not just less carbs then. So maybe JM would be willing to go that route?[/quote]
Yeah I was talking to him about it yesterday. I think the only difference is that I’d have a carb drink during training. Other than that It pretty much stays the same actually lol. He wanted to get me a little thicker first, so I guess I’d be on the weight gain route.
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So if you work with JM will help you program the diet to backloading. I read on his site in the premium content an authro wrote an article that was a diet very very similar to CBL, although some of his reasoning were a bit different. BUt pro/fat and less cals through the day then load on carbs and some pro at night hopeuflly after a workout but if not just less carbs then. So maybe JM would be willing to go that route?[/quote]
Yeah I was talking to him about it yesterday. I think the only difference is that I’d have a carb drink during training. Other than that It pretty much stays the same actually lol. He wanted to get me a little thicker first, so I guess I’d be on the weight gain route. [/quote]
And a carb drink during training isn’t that far off from Kiefer’s plan anyway - I know plenty who use carbs intra/post with CBL.
[quote]Cr Powerlinate wrote:
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
So if you work with JM will help you program the diet to backloading. I read on his site in the premium content an authro wrote an article that was a diet very very similar to CBL, although some of his reasoning were a bit different. BUt pro/fat and less cals through the day then load on carbs and some pro at night hopeuflly after a workout but if not just less carbs then. So maybe JM would be willing to go that route?[/quote]
Yeah I was talking to him about it yesterday. I think the only difference is that I’d have a carb drink during training. Other than that It pretty much stays the same actually lol. He wanted to get me a little thicker first, so I guess I’d be on the weight gain route. [/quote]
And a carb drink during training isn’t that far off from Kiefer’s plan anyway - I know plenty who use carbs intra/post with CBL.
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I’ll see what John comes up for me. If it’s not too far off from what I’m doing now I’ll just keep posting in here.
8:00 wake up
9 - 12:00 - 2 cups of tea - 4g carbs
13:00 5 eggs, salami - 7g carbs
14:30 shake - 6g carbs
17:00 9.8oz chicken, dressing, 6oz brocoli - 1g carb
20:30 Shake & fiber shake - 6g carbs
TOTAL: 24g carbs
8:00 wake up
9-12:00 tea w cream/splenda - 8g carbs
12:00 Shake (4tbs pb) - 16g carbs
14:00 Fiber shake + joint pills
15:00 GYM
Back and calves
17:30 PWO SHAKE - 60g carbs
18:15 Yoghurt and granola - 110g carbs
18:30 10oz rice, 10oz chicken, BBQ sauce - 100g carbs
21:30 Coldstones, small size - 75g carbs
TOTAL: 353ish
I have been reading through this MASSIVE thread for a few days now, have done a lot of research and I think I want to start this. I don’t want to waste the 90 bucks if i decided that i’m not 100% committed. Does anyone have an exert from the book, or even better the actual PDF of he book that I could read.
Thanks
[quote]pshannon wrote:
I have been reading through this MASSIVE thread for a few days now, have done a lot of research and I think I want to start this. I don’t want to waste the 90 bucks if i decided that i’m not 100% committed. Does anyone have an exert from the book, or even better the actual PDF of he book that I could read.
Thanks[/quote]
“I don’t want to waste the 90 bucks if i decided that i’m not 100% committed.”
Commit or don’t, no one is going to give you the book.
Weight dropped to 233 this morning, I’m thinking that’s more of a lack of water yesterday though.
[quote]Siouxfan wrote:
Weight dropped to 233 this morning, I’m thinking that’s more of a lack of water yesterday though.[/quote]
I have read this thread from post #1 (before Christmas)…I am backloading as well. Keeping my carbs below 20 until post w/o, then balls to the wall. One thought, or tweak so to speak…I agree with the “fasting” for the first few hours of the day, but once you have your first meal, you should keep eating every 2-2.5 hrs. to keep your metabolism up and promote REAL fat burning for the pre w/o section of the day…then post w/o keep up with your current regimen. You would promote a REAL HEALTHY SHREDDED PHYSIQUE, fasting is not a problem for the first part of the day, but once you START eating, you have to keep your metabolism firing or you keep the “skinny fat” thing going. If you have been doing this for 4 months now, you should be fucking ripped to shreds, with all kinds of lean mass gains. I didn’t start skinny, I started big…19%BF…and I am losing FAT consistently, while gaining strength and lean mass. I fast for a few (2.5-3 hrs) then eat regularly for the rest of the day, just manipulate my carbs. ZERO to burn…A LOT to grow
[quote]gb419 wrote:
but once you have your first meal, you should keep eating every 2-2.5 hrs. to keep your metabolism up and promote REAL fat burning for the pre w/o section of the day…
fasting is not a problem for the first part of the day, but once you START eating, you have to keep your metabolism firing or you keep the “skinny fat” thing going. [/quote]
These two statments make everything you say irrelvant as it shows you dont know what you are talking about. Go tell Martin B at lean gains that you need to be eating every 2-3hr after fasting. Or tell the many people who have had great success with the warrior diet that you need to eat every 2-3 hrs once you start eating. Where did you ever get that from? Its overall calories that deteremine the thermic effect of food not eating every 2-3hrs. I hope this was not a srs post
Try this meal on for size…- YouTube
Ryan
Seconded. Surley we’ve all put that ‘regular meal keep the metabolism revving’ by eating every 2-3 hours bullshit to bed.
Just my usual little input via a little rant
bigmetalguy - Thants a meal right there ;0)