Carb Back Loading

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
Can you get your hands on rice noodles? They are carb dense as hell and taste awesome, I think. I eat one kind that is spirals made from brown rice. The other is vermicelli, white rice chinese noodle.
I actually forgot about them, outta sight outta mind, but yea they are great.[/quote]

Never heard of them. Something you can just pick up at Kroger? Or are they more of a specialty type of food? [/quote]

I am not sure. I can get them at Sobeys, not sure if that is the same as Kroger, sobeys is just a regular grocery store, maybe Walmart?
If you have any organic food stores around there is a pretty good chance they should have them.

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
Can you get your hands on rice noodles? They are carb dense as hell and taste awesome, I think. I eat one kind that is spirals made from brown rice. The other is vermicelli, white rice chinese noodle.
I actually forgot about them, outta sight outta mind, but yea they are great.[/quote]

Never heard of them. Something you can just pick up at Kroger? Or are they more of a specialty type of food? [/quote]

I can get them at Sobeys, not sure if that is same as Kroger. Its just a regular grocery store.
If you have any organic food stores around I would say there’s a good chance they’ll have them.
Maybe Walmart?

9:00 wake up
12:00 9oz chicken and assorted veggies - 5g carbs
21:00 Eggs, veggies, protein shakes - 35g carbs

TOTAL: 40g carbs

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
For my weight, I’m suppose to be getting 665g Carbs, but I just can’t seem to take in that many without having 100+g fat for the day and REALLY overshooting calories. I think this looks pretty solid, just curious as to what others think? And maybe some suggestions for ‘dirtier’ carb sources that are low-fat, because I can only eat so much rice. lol[/quote] Glucose syrup?

[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
? And maybe some suggestions for ‘dirtier’ carb sources that are low-fat, because I can only eat so much rice. lol[/quote]

Google “Ideas for skiploading”

Pancakes w/ syrup
Krusteaz muffin mixes
No pudge brownies
Ben and Jerrys frozen yogurt
Most any low fat kids cereal

And one that I love when I’m sick of sweets is gnocchi with some pasta sauce.

5:30 wake up
coffee - 1g carbs
12:00 bacon, 3 eggs, veggies, cheese - 5g carbs
13:00 Fiber shake
14:30 tea - 1g carb
15:00 shake - 6g carbs
16:30 tea - 1g carb
17:30 9oz chicken, various veggies, dressing - 3g carbs
18:45 shake with pb - 11g carb
20:00 fiber shake

TOTAL: 28g carbs

6:30 wake up
6:45 GYM

Lat pulls: 180x12, 195x10, 210x8

DB rows: 120x8, 120x8, 120x8

Low cable row: 180x8, 195x8, 195x8

Chest supported rows: 120x12, 135x12, 150x12

DB shrugs: 110x10, 110x10, 110x10

Hypers: 45x12/10, 25x15/10, (drop weight and finish with bodyweight) bdyx25

8:45 bacon and cheese omelet - 5g carbs
11:30 tea - 2g carbs
13:45 Shake with pb - 15g carbs
16:10 nother shake - 15g carbs
17:30 Cinnabon. NOM NOM NOM - 140g carbs
17:50 choc milk - 30g carbs
18:20 yoghurt and strawberries - 40g carbs
19:10 Crepes - 125g carbs

TOTAL: 377g carbs

Well I got a call yesterday from HR about my job. Looks like I’ll be leaving California to go to North Dakota on may 6th (day after my CSCS exam). After a month in ND, back to Cali to drop my stuff off and then I’m going to Oklahoma from late June till Late September for job training.

Thats a lot of moving around my gawd.

[quote]Siouxfan wrote:

17:30 Cinnabon. NOM NOM NOM - 140g carbs

TOTAL: 377g carbs[/quote]

No idea how i missed this. WIN!!!

My weight seems to be holding at around 242 right now. Heavier than I’d like, but whatever lol. I told meadows to expect us to go full bore with diet and training come the end of September. I should be back in LA around sep 29th. At that point I’ll start a Mountain Dog diet AND training log. And I’ve been moving around quite a lot lately. Spent from 08-10 in ND, then from Jan 11’ to july 11’ back in CA, then july’11 to nov11 in north dakota again. Now I’m back in LA, but only for a few more weeks. Then you know the rest of the sched.

And hopefully the diet software will be out in a couple months…hopefully.

9:30 wake up
12:00 Omelet w, bacon - 5g carbs
14:55 fiber shake and joint pills
15:00 GYM

Banded Hammer bench: 25x8, 35x8, 45x8, 55x8, 65x8, 75x8

Incline DB: 75x8, 75x8, 75x8, 75x8

BB incline: 185x5, 185x5, 185x5, 205x5

Machine fly (30 sec between sets) 180x10, 150x10, 150x10

Side laterals: 25x25, 25x25, 40x8, 40x8

Rear laterals: 25x35x 25x35, 35x10, 35x10

6 ways: 7.5x10, 7.5x10, 7.5x10

17:45 PWO shake - 50g carbs
18:55 Chicken and rice/slasa - 100g carbs
20:15 Shake - 50g carbs
21:00 apple sauce - 30g carbs

TOTAL: 235g carbs

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Siouxfan wrote:

17:30 Cinnabon. NOM NOM NOM - 140g carbs

TOTAL: 377g carbs[/quote]

No idea how i missed this. WIN!!![/quote]

So nice how you embrace my inner fat kid lol

I’ve been following this thread for quite some time and appreciate you posting daily. I’m definitely interested in CBL and would like to get the book eventually. However, I don’t want to start adding a bunch of crap into my diet since im getting results now.

I do like the idea of being able to eat the occasional pint of ice cream or some cookies. My question is, is it possible to backload using “clean” carbs like oatmeal and sweet potatoes? If fat loss is the goal, how many carbs does Kiefer recommend for 190 pound male at 13% bf?

[quote]gkeeper24 wrote:
I’ve been following this thread for quite some time and appreciate you posting daily. I’m definitely interested in CBL and would like to get the book eventually. However, I don’t want to start adding a bunch of crap into my diet since im getting results now.

I do like the idea of being able to eat the occasional pint of ice cream or some cookies. My question is, is it possible to backload using “clean” carbs like oatmeal and sweet potatoes? If fat loss is the goal, how many carbs does Kiefer recommend for 190 pound male at 13% bf?[/quote]

It is definitely possible to CBL with clean carbs, just be prepared to be eating a lot!
I’ve been doing it with rice and waxy maize as of late and it has been working great.
The carb count can be measured 2 ways, usually with the weight lost in the prep phase is how you calculate it, but just going with 190lbs the book says you need 770g carbs.

I am curious to try CBL but due to time constraints I lift from 5:30 - 7:00.

I have read he suggests you change you schedule. I cant.

The only suggestion i have found is to workout fasted (just coffee/heavy cream) and then spike insulin after the workout (without carbs) using casein hydrolosate/leucine/whey isolate.

Just curious if the book contains any infor on CBL for working out in the mornings.

[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
I am curious to try CBL but due to time constraints I lift from 5:30 - 7:00.

I have read he suggests you change you schedule. I cant.

The only suggestion i have found is to workout fasted (just coffee/heavy cream) and then spike insulin after the workout (without carbs) using casein hydrolosate/leucine/whey isolate.

Just curious if the book contains any infor on CBL for working out in the mornings.[/quote]

It does. But what I’d really hold out for is the diet software. Kiefer is in the process of designing some software that will basically spit out a personalized program for you online.

[quote]Siouxfan wrote:

[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
I am curious to try CBL but due to time constraints I lift from 5:30 - 7:00.

I have read he suggests you change you schedule. I cant.

The only suggestion i have found is to workout fasted (just coffee/heavy cream) and then spike insulin after the workout (without carbs) using casein hydrolosate/leucine/whey isolate.

Just curious if the book contains any infor on CBL for working out in the mornings.[/quote]

It does. But what I’d really hold out for is the diet software. Kiefer is in the process of designing some software that will basically spit out a personalized program for you online. [/quote]

Sounds good. Curous if you know if it be a bundle or will the software be stand alone?

Awesome thread btw.

[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:

[quote]Siouxfan wrote:

[quote]phishfood1128 wrote:
I am curious to try CBL but due to time constraints I lift from 5:30 - 7:00.

I have read he suggests you change you schedule. I cant.

The only suggestion i have found is to workout fasted (just coffee/heavy cream) and then spike insulin after the workout (without carbs) using casein hydrolosate/leucine/whey isolate.

Just curious if the book contains any infor on CBL for working out in the mornings.[/quote]

It does. But what I’d really hold out for is the diet software. Kiefer is in the process of designing some software that will basically spit out a personalized program for you online. [/quote]

Sounds good. Curous if you know if it be a bundle or will the software be stand alone?

Awesome thread btw.[/quote]

Glad you like it. It could be better if I did this whole thing a little more properly, but hey lol. And I think the software will be stand alone, but there is a possibility that he could offer it bundled with the book. Not sure yet. I’d expect a couple more months.

[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
just going with 190lbs the book says you need 770g carbs. [/quote]
That is impossible…