[quote]facko wrote:
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
Please state why you need double or triple?
I undertand fat is used for cell membrane and hormones ect. but when you get good fats. EFAs. and cover those bases you only need to cover enough for energy needs unless you are getting carb which are also an energy source. NO need for high fat and high carbs. IMO. Get your EFAs and you are good to go. If you run better with more carbs do that or if you if you do better with more fat do that. Will reply more later Busy now[/quote]
Well you do want to optimise your hormones dont you? So at no point would you want your endocrine system to be running without enough fat to work optimally. There is also the issue of the health effects of too many carbs. Despite the timing of carbs with CBL you will still be producing a metric shit ton of insulin at those higher limits and your muscle mass would not have increased to the level where it requires that high level of carbs.
You also would prefer to stay “fat adapted” even when gaining so as to keep enzymes ticking along and readily able to assist in body fat burning. This means fat should be a major fuel source not just a “bases covered” after thought. I think someone like MODOK could better explain the science of these things.
A lot of this is hersay, personal opinion/experience and input from the Interwebz. I would be happy to read something from Keifer about this if he has any Theories on it. Maybe it really does make no difference. Personally I would just find it more possible to bulk with the necessary calories if I made more use of Fats.[/quote]
I’m certainly not very muscular in terms of bodyweight…but, I’ve been able to tolerate 500g of carbs approx. 4 days a week. With fat just at the threshold that Ryan is talking about…i.e. like 0.45g/lb of bw.
I was reluctant to take carbs that high until I realized…you are actually less likely to store bodyfat in a surplus made up of mainly carbs/protein…than a surplus made up of mainly fat/protein. Just looking at it from a basic, logical perspective…carbs need to be converted (DNL) to become and be stored as fatty acids. Fat…is already there and ready to be stored…so in surplus, dietary fat intake will be stored as such after the fact of your EFA needs for hormonal functioning/physiological needs etc. Sure…carbs raise insulin and may BLUNT the usage of fatty acids for energy…hence the need to keep my dietary fat on the lower end of the spectrum on the days that my carbs are that high…
I don’t know where this “I don’t tolerate carbs well…so I eat tons of fat in surplus” comes from…it doesn’t make physiological sense. Think about the above statement and deduce it logically. [/quote]
Well not that the body behaves logically but you do have a point about conversion. Though I think the body is pretty efficient with such conversions. There is an amount of Thermic waste associated with Carb Backloading but I dont see how that makes a point for increasing carbs exponentially vs evenly with fats. I mean if a large portion of the extra carbs is wasted through heat then that means an even smaller amount of calories devoted to growth.
really I need to buy the book so I can stop talking out my ass! Is it available in printed form yet?