long shot I’m sure…anyone know of any torrent sites for a copy of CBL ?
[quote]Bmad wrote:
long shot I’m sure…anyone know of any torrent sites for a copy of CBL ? [/quote]
None i know of. I think each copy is electronically certified with the original purchasers name, so if one does get out there, the publishers can trace it back to who ever bought it. We all know what happens from there.
[quote]dudsman wrote:
[quote]Bmad wrote:
long shot I’m sure…anyone know of any torrent sites for a copy of CBL ? [/quote]
None i know of. I think each copy is electronically certified with the original purchasers name, so if one does get out there, the publishers can trace it back to who ever bought it. We all know what happens from there.[/quote]
Yeah, my copy definitely has my name in the pdf pages.
[quote]TrapsLatsnHat wrote:
JaKkacKKrash:
You are quoting Kiefer’s book, which btw is outdated and he is looking at releasing a new one, so I hear (read). My advice comes from not just the book but also his website dangerously Hardocre and their forum. Kiefer is always looking at improving his theory and so I urge you all to keep one eye on his site and any updates from it.
Sean Hyson is a strong follower of CBL and has been doing it for much longer than 4 months. Which you cannot call long term, if you do then your advise is flawed from the foundation you’re basing it from. I will find the EXACT source where Keifer himself states CBL is not a long term approach.
However below is an extract from Sean Hyson. He did an interview with JK where John once again re-iterated what I said (it will do for now):
"What To Consider
Like the Carb Nite plan, it may not be healthy long-term. I can picture the pundits at the American Dietetic Association looking aghast at Kiefer?s meal plans. As anyone familiar with bodybuilding diets knows, there?s a distinction that needs to be made between losing fat healthily and just losing it. There?s a difference between performance nutrition and health nutrition.
Eating sugar- and fat-rich foods can certainly aggravate blood pressure and cholesterol levels, but if your body fat is going down, one can make the argument that you?re still improving health. While I think Kiefer?s general tenet of consuming carbs at night is a great guideline to follow for the rest of one?s life, extreme feedings of junk foods shouldn?t be maintained for long periods. That?s just common sense, and Kiefer doesn?t argue it. If you?re concerned about eating too much junk food, stay instead with cleaner carbs like grains and potatoes." - SH
Let’s think about it… (you are allowed to use your own brain too - it’s called an opinion). If you eat crap, will you get an insulin spike, YES! Will you also get a ton of unnecessary crap…after all it is crap, YES! Well then does it not make sense to eat those foods that will create an insulin spike but not provide the crap that comes with processed foods…I don’t know!
Now lets look at what I said is better to consume; rice, potato, dessert, maltodextrin. For me at least that is enough to spike my insulin like crazy. Having gone Paleo for over 6 months I could feel the effects of carbs. What has that done for me…about 1 month of this and I have gained 5lbs with a slight improvement in definition - it works for me, so i’ll advise it. I did a dirtier backload for 2 weeks prior to tidying it up. I felt tired, weak and irritated, despite getting the same amount of carbs.
If eating junk works for you and or you need to justify consuming junk food with CBL then go ahead. Just don’t call B.S. on my comment.
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The other thing with the junk food and “extreme” feedings is that it’s horses for courses.
In other words, if you are a 275lb power lifting mother fucker from hell who warms up with our PR’s and hangs out with crazy people who squat a grand, squat 635 x 10, deadlift 750 for reps etc then you can probably backload a shit-ton of junk…in fact need to backload a shit-ton of junk to make it work for you.
I personally agree with you that eating junk food for the next 20 years, even if it is after training, is not something that I will do though.
One of the latest articles on a certain someone’s unmentionable website is entitled “Carb Back-Loading: 7 reasons you need junk carbs at night”
You should read it as it is interesting.
Hi guys,
I’ve been having some trouble trying to figure out how to set up the backloading protocol if training at 12pm, finishing about 1.30pm.
Should I just have a pro/carb shake after training, then resume pro/fat until dinner at 6ish, where I would start backloading carbs. Am I on the right track ?
I’ve searched but have been unable to find a definite answer.
Cheers
[quote]Zhelezen wrote:
Hi guys,
I’ve been having some trouble trying to figure out how to set up the backloading protocol if training at 12pm, finishing about 1.30pm.
Should I just have a pro/carb shake after training, then resume pro/fat until dinner at 6ish, where I would start backloading carbs. Am I on the right track ?
I’ve searched but have been unable to find a definite answer.
Cheers[/quote]
Just take regular PWO supplements/shakes or whatever you would regularly, just without the carbs. So take your whey+leucine+creatine or whatever, but save the carbs until later in the evening.
Thanks man. Obviously I’d be able to then have a solid pro/fat meal after the PWO shake ?
[quote]gabex wrote:
[quote]dudsman wrote:
[quote]Bmad wrote:
long shot I’m sure…anyone know of any torrent sites for a copy of CBL ? [/quote]
None i know of. I think each copy is electronically certified with the original purchasers name, so if one does get out there, the publishers can trace it back to who ever bought it. We all know what happens from there.[/quote]
Yeah, my copy definitely has my name in the pdf pages.[/quote]
I can’t seem to find my name in my book. Where is yours located?
[quote]Zhelezen wrote:
Thanks man. Obviously I’d be able to then have a solid pro/fat meal after the PWO shake ?[/quote]
Yes, I believe so.
[quote]StateOfPsychosis wrote:
[quote]gabex wrote:
[quote]dudsman wrote:
[quote]Bmad wrote:
long shot I’m sure…anyone know of any torrent sites for a copy of CBL ? [/quote]
None i know of. I think each copy is electronically certified with the original purchasers name, so if one does get out there, the publishers can trace it back to who ever bought it. We all know what happens from there.[/quote]
Yeah, my copy definitely has my name in the pdf pages.[/quote]
I can’t seem to find my name in my book. Where is yours located?[/quote]
Actually on the cover page, bottom left corner, in the barcode.
Hi Guys,
Sunday will mark the 14th day of my prep phase (I know it’s only meant to be 10).
I train Mon, Wed, Fri. I plan to backload on training days, but also on Sunday night in preparation for Mondays squat session. My question is, should I wait till Monday night to do my first backload, or is it acceptable to break the prep phase on Sunday night ? Is this an acceptable way to run my backloads in general ?
Focus is on strength gain while keeping bodyfat in check. Also, I don’t think I’ll be going too crazy on the backloads.
On a side note, I don’t have the book. Will I gain much by grabbing a copy ? How much extra info does it contain that you can’t get from all of his articles and interviews and this fine thread ?
Cheers
I think the book is worth it, but honestly I didn’t really change anything after I bought it. I like knowing some of the reasoning behind why he recommends things, but you can figure out how to implement the protocols without the book. It depends on how much you need the 50 or so bucks for something else.
You know. If you keep your backloads small (under 200 grams) I think you could possibly backload daily and still see positive results. It just depends on the results you are after. Fat loss would be slower but you would still get leaner while maintaining strength and performance.
The idea though is to drain your bodies glycogen from your training and then briefly reload on your backload. If you know you are going to train say on Monday. And you have been ULC on Sat. then definately Backload Sunday night to prepare for Monday’s training.
I have kept my backloads at 200 grams more or less and didn’t worry if I backloaded and didn’t train. I didn’t see any increased weight or fat gain. When you are ULC all day 200 grams is not alot.
[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
You know. If you keep your backloads small (under 200 grams) I think you could possibly backload daily and still see positive results. It just depends on the results you are after. Fat loss would be slower but you would still get leaner while maintaining strength and performance.
The idea though is to drain your bodies glycogen from your training and then briefly reload on your backload. If you know you are going to train say on Monday. And you have been ULC on Sat. then definately Backload Sunday night to prepare for Monday’s training.
I have kept my backloads at 200 grams more or less and didn’t worry if I backloaded and didn’t train. I didn’t see any increased weight or fat gain. When you are ULC all day 200 grams is not alot.[/quote]
The backload size depends on your muscle mass. More mass requires more carbs. Using a number, like 200g, won’t match each individual.
If you train in the morning, backload the night before. If you train in the evening, backload after you train. If you want to cut fat, make sure you’re in a caloric deficit or pretty close to it (or be fat).
I used 200 grams for myself just for the reason I had such a hard time getting over that in the 1 - 2 hours I have post workout until I go to sleep.
I definately felt the added carbs in my workout. But I did feel my energy drop toward the end of my training. I would contribute that to the low Carb intake. My goal at the moment is fat loss. But I still believe if you wanted to backload every day you would want to keep your daily carb intake lower than a normal BackLoad, which is where I got the 200 grams of Carbs. You would be able to drop fat and maintain energy for training.
[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
I used 200 grams for myself just for the reason I had such a hard time getting over that in the 1 - 2 hours I have post workout until I go to sleep.
I definately felt the added carbs in my workout. But I did feel my energy drop toward the end of my training. I would contribute that to the low Carb intake. My goal at the moment is fat loss. But I still believe if you wanted to backload every day you would want to keep your daily carb intake lower than a normal BackLoad, which is where I got the 200 grams of Carbs. You would be able to drop fat and maintain energy for training.[/quote]
You should be able to maintain energy for training even following the protocol strict. Might take some adjustment though. If you train really late (like myself), take Kiefer’s isolate/hydrolysate mixture as a pre-workout.
Currently on CarbNite. I’m a football coach. CN was much easier for me to maintain and do right with my schedule. After the season I will return to CBL. And should be able to get the proper CARB intake.
I have a question I havn’t seen alot of mention about. I’m in the classroom for 3+ hours straight and food choices are limited. I usually just snack on Almonds and Pepperoni and drink my coffee or diet coke to make it to lunch.
I was concerned that the almonds might be stalling my progress a little. There are only 2 grams Net carbs per serving. I have been assuming that I was fine. I probably eat 5 servings a day of almonds.
[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
I have a question I havn’t seen alot of mention about. I’m in the classroom for 3+ hours straight and food choices are limited. I usually just snack on Almonds and Pepperoni and drink my coffee or diet coke to make it to lunch.
I was concerned that the almonds might be stalling my progress a little. There are only 2 grams Net carbs per serving. I have been assuming that I was fine. I probably eat 5 servings a day of almonds. [/quote]
Most of us with desk jobs aren’t exactly eating from 8AM to noon, y’know.
This is what I do:
6AM: Morning casein/whey hydro blend
9AM: Coffee with 1.5TBSP of coconut oil
1030/11AM: Second coffee (same cup, so there’s still coconut oil in it)
anywhere between noon and 2PM, depending on meetings: Lunch
630PM: Pre workout casein/whey hydro blend
7PM: Workout
8PM: Post-workout whey + maltodextrin
9PM: CBL Dinner
10PM: Fish oil
11PM: Bed
Basically, I don’t see why you need the almonds or why three hours without food is going to kill you.
I’m a coach and during football season my schedule is much more hectic.
I have tried to maintain a fasted state in the AM. By 8:45 I’m in the classroom. At this point all I’ve had are coffee or diet coke. I can wait until Lunch which is at 12 PM. But Keifer suggested breaking the morning fast around 9-10 AM. This is what my snack is for me.
I use Almonds as a healthful choice for a snack and one of convenience. I have seen Keifer suggest Almonds as a pre Lunch snack as well.