Carb Back Loading 2.0

[quote]animus wrote:
Alcohol has deleterious effects on your hormones/T-levels, so it interferes with muscle production/fat loss. While I’m not a fan of going nun-like, I think if you’re going to be serious about something, then spend a month or two being really serious about it. That means no alcohol. Afterward, you can start reintroducing it in moderation.[/quote]

1.Effects of alcohol on testosterone are largely exaggerated and poorly understood.

  1. Moderate alcohol has positive effects on insulin sensitivity, which carb backloading is supposed to be all about.

My advice: enjoy in moderation.

[quote]ScubaSteve-o wrote:

[quote]animus wrote:
Alcohol has deleterious effects on your hormones/T-levels, so it interferes with muscle production/fat loss. While I’m not a fan of going nun-like, I think if you’re going to be serious about something, then spend a month or two being really serious about it. That means no alcohol. Afterward, you can start reintroducing it in moderation.[/quote]

1.Effects of alcohol on testosterone are largely exaggerated and poorly understood.

  1. Moderate alcohol has positive effects on insulin sensitivity, which carb backloading is supposed to be all about.

My advice: enjoy in moderation.[/quote]

I think i like this the most because im getting told what i want to hear lol, yeah i hardly drink and when i do its only soda water no sugar or sweetner with vodka and squeeze of lime, any tips on the prep phase gents, should i carb up before i start and put on sone weight?

Awesome information here. Got a question about the MCT in mornings. Would Biotest’s FA3 do the trick or it has to be coconut oil period?

[quote]Nutso wrote:
Awesome information here. Got a question about the MCT in mornings. Would Biotest’s FA3 do the trick or it has to be coconut oil period?[/quote]

While I’m sure it’s fine, there’s only 30 calories per four soft gels versus 100-110 calories per TBSP of coconut oil. The point here is to get some calories from healthy fat in to assist in sustaining you to your first meal while controlling insuliin sensitivity/resistance. Depending on your goals, I’d think FA3 might be a bit of an expensive alternative. Nor would it be very “filling.”

I already have FA3 in stock, and thought it’d be a good option.

But duly noted on your feedback. Appreciate it!

I got 2296 grams of Nutiva Organic Extra Virgin Coconut Oil at Costco for $22.50. It seemed like a pretty good deal and it tastes great.

Man. I love the way coconut oil smells and tastes in shakes but I hate cooking with it. It makes everything taste like Coconut. I have bought the Luann Coconut Oil but it is not Virgin or Organic. Luann doesn’t have an odor or flavor.

[quote]calebsmitty wrote:
Man. I love the way coconut oil smells and tastes in shakes but I hate cooking with it. It makes everything taste like Coconut. I have bought the Luann Coconut Oil but it is not Virgin or Organic. Luann doesn’t have an odor or flavor.[/quote]

I forget what I’m using… some organic thing… only thing I could find. No flavour or odor either. Honestly a little disappointing. I want to taste coconut!

I’m using Spectrum organic coconut oil. Great for shakes and cooking. Coconut taste but not overwhelming.

[quote]animus wrote:

[quote]Nutso wrote:
Awesome information here. Got a question about the MCT in mornings. Would Biotest’s FA3 do the trick or it has to be coconut oil period?[/quote]

While I’m sure it’s fine, there’s only 30 calories per four soft gels versus 100-110 calories per TBSP of coconut oil. The point here is to get some calories from healthy fat in to assist in sustaining you to your first meal while controlling insuliin sensitivity/resistance. Depending on your goals, I’d think FA3 might be a bit of an expensive alternative. Nor would it be very “filling.”[/quote]

MCTs are also recommended bc they drive the body into ketosis.

I have been backloading w/ great success. But when I moved back into school my roommate is a nursing major and he is acting like im gonig to wake up with diabetes tomorrow judging all the carbs i take in at night. Is this putting myself at a risk for diabetes?

[quote]Vladamir wrote:
I have been backloading w/ great success. But when I moved back into school my roommate is a nursing major and he is acting like im gonig to wake up with diabetes tomorrow judging all the carbs i take in at night. Is this putting myself at a risk for diabetes? [/quote]

No. You’re only eating carbs for a couple hours compared to other people eating sugary carbs all day. Get your BG tested and tell him to shutup.

Vladmir! Is it just the pure volume of carbs you are getting or the type of carbs you are getting.

I think a common misconception with Carb-Backloading is to back load on ‘crap’ (not literally). A lot of people seem to think it is OK to gorge in excess of 500 carbs from cookies, ice cram, cakes, doughnuts…

In my opinion this would be a sure way to do some damage. JK himself stated that this is not a long-term approach. To increase the shelf life of this program I suggest you keep your carbs to Maltodextrin, Potato, White Rice and a small portion of desert. My 2 cents.

Just curious whatnsort of weight lifting program are peoples doing with cbl and how much hiit are you doing,
Me im doing GSLP and boxing twice a week, anyone get some really good sucess in other programs?

JK does provide routine/advice on how to train; shockwave protocol…but the take home message is resistance training.

The whole CBL theory relies on resistance training. If you did not lift weights that day…you can’t backload.

I personally follow 531 for my four lifts and some higher reps (3 x 8) on assistance work. I make sure I don’t go to failure on any set.

Monday: Quads and Calves
Tuesday: Chest and Triceps
Wednesday: Back and Biceps
Thursday: Hams and Calves, Forearms
Friday: Shoulders, Core.

[quote]TrapsLatsnHat wrote:

The whole CBL theory relies on resistance training. If you did not lift weights that day…you can’t backload.

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That’s not absolutely true. Density Bulking template allows for backloading on off days.

Just a question about training on CBL. I don’t think Keifer explains training in detail for programs other than his shockwave protocol. He does mention his program and Mountain Dog are very similar. I know he recommends keeping the weights heavy and increasing intensity but that could mean alot of things.

I’m on 531 and don’t want to deviate from that. At the moment I’m doing a higher volume assistance program from the 2nd Edition Book. An example for Chest is

531 for Bench 531 Squat 531 Press 531 DL
5x10 DB Bench 5x10 Leg Press 5x10 Row 5x10 DB Row
5x10 Row Variation 5x10 Hamstring Movement 5x10 DB Bench 5x10 Good Morning
100 reps Tri Pushdown 100 reps ABS 5x10 Lat Raise 5x10 Hamstring Movement
100 reps Facepull Direct Bicep work ABS

There is alot of volume and some sessions I cut sets short or extend them depending on feel. Depending on time I might leave an assistance lift off.

I’m curious for those more experienced with CBL if this workout is sufficient.

Alright, I’m in on this thing too. I bought the book (great info, definitely worth it), have done the prep phase, and I’m now working out my diet. I have a question for anyone who’s been doing this for a while… How the hell do you interpret the nutrient values in the tables starting on page 231???

Say I want to get to 180 lbs, apparently I’d have to take in AT MOST 137.3 g of protein, with 87.8 g of that downed with my backload, and just a bit more than 33.3 g of fat. Am I reading this right? It seems like first of all a lowish amount of protein, and secondly a waaaaay low amount of fat (compared with the 1:1 P:F ratio people were quoting on the previous pages).

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Cheers!

[quote]TrapsLatsnHat wrote:
JK himself stated that this is not a long-term approach. [/quote]

Really? Where does he state this? I somewhat agree with what you are saying though. Especially when you are loading on the crappy processed carbs. I also question the health benefits of the ULC part of the day, consuming large amounts of bacon, fatty red meat etc. I think maybe using CBL to gain/recomp, CNS to cut and maybe something like Miyaki’s Samurai diet when maintaining. On a side note though. I have benn CBL for several months now and had my bloods done last week for markers of heart disease. Everything was perfect. BP slightly high though, probably eating too much sodium (bacon!)

From page 66-67 of CBL:

“The poor choice here is low-glycemic carbs. The body will not
release growth hormone during sleep until roughly two hours after
blood sugar and insulin levels return to normal. Low-glycemic
carbs keep insulin and blood sugar levels elevated for hours, while
high-glycemic create a spike that ends within an hour or so of
eating. Eating junk gives the benefit of replenishing glycogen stores
without interfering with the nocturnal hGH cycle.
When someone attempts to Carb Back-Load using brown rice and
whole-grain toast, they get crappy results. They want to do a
healthy version of the diet, only to realize healthy means impotent.
They too narrowly define healthy.
Eat like a fat kid to get jacked, end of story.”