[quote]TrapsLatsnHat wrote:
Well your 2699 posts ahead of me and a member since 05 - I think it’s worth another go then.
Flax is sick, and I won’t retry that if arnold him self said so.
BTW, how much cream are you all putting in your coffee, and how often are you having it (any time I shouldn’t have it?).[/quote]
But Arnold does admit to feasting on cherry pies the week of a show! You can put 1-2T of heavy cream in your coffee, but I’d wait for a bit once you’re starting to get hungry in the fast.
I have black coffee to start out the day, and then start having coconut oil (1T) in my coffee at about the 14-15 hour mark to carry me over to breakfast. I really miss cream, but there’s none available where I’m at.
The ‘sustainer shake’ from the book really is well named. Just done an eight hour day on two of these, then drank an ignition shake and had a kickass training session at 8pm. not hungry at any point
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
The ‘sustainer shake’ from the book really is well named. Just done an eight hour day on two of these, then drank an ignition shake and had a kickass training session at 8pm. not hungry at any point[/quote]
Do you mean the am accelerator shake? I thought the sustainer shake was for during your workout?
Question for you guys… I’ve been doing the tea/heavy cream/coconut oil in the morning and sometimes twice before eating my first meal. Sometimes with a handful of BCAA’s. Will a serving of MAG-10 spike my insulin levels negating the benefits? I’d throw in a serving on occasion instead of the tea concoction just to mix it up a bit. But not if it’s a no-no. Thoughts?
i’ve been reading through the thread (very interesting stuff) and was definitely thinking of trying CBL out for myself. however, i was planning on running it for more of a lean gaining phase so i was wondering people’s opinion would be on having a P F breakfast (say eggs and bacon) an hour or two after waking. my logic for that would just be extra protein and calories for gaining. of course i would continue to have a P F lunch and carbs pwo for dinner. would this be possible? or is it better to skip breakfast all up and just have the coffee/whey and wait till lunch. any input greatly appreciated!
i’ve been reading through the thread (very interesting stuff) and was definitely thinking of trying CBL out for myself. however, i was planning on running it for more of a lean gaining phase so i was wondering people’s opinion would be on having a P F breakfast (say eggs and bacon) an hour or two after waking. my logic for that would just be extra protein and calories for gaining. of course i would continue to have a P F lunch and carbs pwo for dinner. would this be possible? or is it better to skip breakfast all up and just have the coffee/whey and wait till lunch. any input greatly appreciated![/quote]
You can definately lean out on CBL, but your approach will be wrong if you start off eating breakfast. Read some of Keifer’s articles on EliteFitness and/or buy the book, then go with it from there.
If your concerned about getting in ‘extra protein and calories for gaining’ then just up those in your pre workout P&F meals. Skipping breakfast is a key component. And as Gremlin1267 has put it - read the book. CBL makes so many statements that goes against what logic/tradition says, but the science behind it is solid. Also just look at the vast amount of testimonials.
Wallstrt - I would skip both all together, but that’s me. Lets see what the others say.
On a slightly different note has anyone woken up after a carb-back-load and had the most horrendous stomach pains…I don’t think I over did the carbs, but I must have over done the food. Anyone else had this? I’m gonna try and add more ‘dirty’ carbs but lower the amount of food - good option?
If your concerned about getting in ‘extra protein and calories for gaining’ then just up those in your pre workout P&F meals. Skipping breakfast is a key component. And as Gremlin1267 has put it - read the book. CBL makes so many statements that goes against what logic/tradition says, but the science behind it is solid. Also just look at the vast amount of testimonials.
Wallstrt - I would skip both all together, but that’s me. Lets see what the others say.
On a slightly different note has anyone woken up after a carb-back-load and had the most horrendous stomach pains…I don’t think I over did the carbs, but I must have over done the food. Anyone else had this? I’m gonna try and add more ‘dirty’ carbs but lower the amount of food - good option? [/quote]
What did you have in your back load? Sounds like a gluten or dairy problem?
[quote]TrapsLatsnHat wrote:
Well my post workout shake was 50g whey and 100g maltodextrin,
Then:
4 x keema naan. (think of naan bread stuffed with lamb mince, then baked, mmmm OR think meaty pizza bases) approx 30g carbs each
2 x peanut butter and white bread (20g carbs each)
Handful and a bit of very sweet asian desert, almost pure sugar. 50g carbs
All in all that’s approx 300g carbs.
Nothing stated above is new to me, I have had them before just not all together.
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I would fathom that keema naan is the problem. A lot of ways that could get cross contaminated. Probably just some mild food poisoning. Increase fluids and it should go away. LOL.
And anything you eat will break your fast. MCT oil, coconut oil, fats…fasting is no intake other than water or coffee or tea, without additives.
Fats will prolong the fast, in a sense, but you are basically just giving it a little extra time until the fats enter into circulation.
MCT oils will turn into ketones in the blood, and help with MPB, however too many and they will cause an insulin spike and stop you cold.
I’m trying to lose fat and lean out but i’ve been drinking coffee with 1 tblspoon w/ coco oil, some cream and splenda. Do you think I should just do black coffee instead so i’m technically fasting for longer?
To my understanding, Kiefer recommends plain black coffee at the start of your day (maintain the fast). Late morning/a bit before lunch is when you take the Kiefer coffee with the coconut oil. yes, technically, this is when you break the fast.
Question: what do you guys eat/take for your pre-workout P/F? I’ve been experimenting and haven’t made a whole lot of success on something that works for providing me quite as much energy as I need before the workout.
On a slightly different note has anyone woken up after a carb-back-load and had the most horrendous stomach pains…I don’t think I over did the carbs, but I must have over done the food. Anyone else had this? I’m gonna try and add more ‘dirty’ carbs but lower the amount of food - good option? [/quote]
I had this problem too when I first started. I reduced the size of my backload and switched to using maltodextrin because it’s easier to digest so I wasn’t going to bed horribly bloated and it went away.
If your concerned about getting in ‘extra protein and calories for gaining’ then just up those in your pre workout P&F meals. Skipping breakfast is a key component. And as Gremlin1267 has put it - read the book. CBL makes so many statements that goes against what logic/tradition says, but the science behind it is solid. Also just look at the vast amount of testimonials.
Wallstrt - I would skip both all together, but that’s me. Lets see what the others say.
On a slightly different note has anyone woken up after a carb-back-load and had the most horrendous stomach pains…I don’t think I over did the carbs, but I must have over done the food. Anyone else had this? I’m gonna try and add more ‘dirty’ carbs but lower the amount of food - good option? [/quote]
Thanks man. I dropped both and am including whey isolate with my morning tea/coconut oil/heavy cream shake.
Has anyone got any recent progress pics? I know there are testimonials on the site and some before and after pics, but was just looking if someone had something more recent?
I have been doing this for a little over 12 days and have noticed my strength is the same, only recently I am in the zone with training and not sluggish like at the start, and most importantly some tightening of the skin around the stubborn fat zones.
Has someone got a 1 month CBL pre post pic or two months etc… When does one notice significant change?
[quote]animus wrote:
To my understanding, Kiefer recommends plain black coffee at the start of your day (maintain the fast). Late morning/a bit before lunch is when you take the Kiefer coffee with the coconut oil. yes, technically, this is when you break the fast.
Question: what do you guys eat/take for your pre-workout P/F? I’ve been experimenting and haven’t made a whole lot of success on something that works for providing me quite as much energy as I need before the workout.[/quote]
you think this would matter if i was waking up pretty late?
if i have the day off from work i usually wake up around noon, drink coffee with CO, eat some bacon and a burger and then train around 4. at this point i would have been fasting for about 12 hours already.
