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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

cutting with drugs is alot easier than cutting natural, how is that even a debate here?

yes genetics do matter to a degree but not as much as you make out. pump enough drugs into someone and they will get bigger than a natural with “better genetics”

training with steroids vs training natty, are you kidding me? your able to recover from huge amounts of volume and frequency, which people natty would not. [/quote]

he’s all natural and not many will get there with roids Simeon Panda.

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[quote]onetime2 wrote:

he’s all natural and not many will get there with roids Simeon Panda.
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According to him it is simply a matter of dosage.

This is exactly why all of this talk of steroids by uneducated people screwes up more than it fixes.

You would think with all that focus on it, Ryan wouldn’t be so clueless.

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Yeah, I’m not seeing any evidence of secret volume or training done by these pros. Clearly the biggest dudes will be kicking ass with training, diet, and PEDs consistently for years

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[quote]onetime2 wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

cutting with drugs is alot easier than cutting natural, how is that even a debate here?

yes genetics do matter to a degree but not as much as you make out. pump enough drugs into someone and they will get bigger than a natural with “better genetics”

training with steroids vs training natty, are you kidding me? your able to recover from huge amounts of volume and frequency, which people natty would not. [/quote]

he’s all natural and not many will get there with roids Simeon Panda.
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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

yes genetics do matter to a degree but not as much as you make out. pump enough drugs into someone and they will get bigger than a natural with “better genetics”
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This is bullshit. Steroids do NOT make everyone respond like that. Genetics matter. You can NOT just pump enough drugs into everyone and get a certain result. You do not understand how ANY drug works if you think this.

Bottom line, kid, stop typing so much. You are showing how much you don’t know again.[/quote]

i didnt say everyone responds that same to drugs. what i meant was given enough time and drugs even someone with shit genetics should be able to get bigger than any naturals provided they are serious with training and nutrition.

bottom line X stop with all the shit talking it doesn’t help your argument. wait weren’t you the one who showed how clueless YOU were on the topic when you got into the debate with way and said that muscles created by steroids just look different, then again in another thread believed that synthol stayed in your body for years at a time? so whos the clueless one here?

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[quote]onetime2 wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

cutting with drugs is alot easier than cutting natural, how is that even a debate here?

yes genetics do matter to a degree but not as much as you make out. pump enough drugs into someone and they will get bigger than a natural with “better genetics”

training with steroids vs training natty, are you kidding me? your able to recover from huge amounts of volume and frequency, which people natty would not. [/quote]

he’s all natural and not many will get there with roids Simeon Panda.
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we had a 10 page debate about him already.

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Oh no, not this again.

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

i didnt say everyone responds that same to drugs. what i meant was given enough time and drugs even someone with shit genetics should be able to get bigger than any naturals provided they are serious with training and nutrition.

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Dude, just stop. Not only is what you’re saying incorrect, but you’re also just beating a dead horse. Just stop visiting this thread.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

yes genetics do matter to a degree but not as much as you make out. pump enough drugs into someone and they will get bigger than a natural with “better genetics”
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This is bullshit. Steroids do NOT make everyone respond like that. Genetics matter. You can NOT just pump enough drugs into everyone and get a certain result. You do not understand how ANY drug works if you think this.

Bottom line, kid, stop typing so much. You are showing how much you don’t know again.[/quote]
Gonna have to go with X on this one. Genetics IMO have a much greater impact than any amount of drugs someone puts into the body. I do believe everyone responds differently to AS though , but from my experience in the past after doing a couple cycles while training with a genetically gifted friend of mine who was all natural. He literally blew me out of the water while both of us pretty much trained and ate the same type of diet. So from my own personal experience, I don’t think any amount of drugs can compete with those that have great genetics.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:

Best example, imo, is the training logs Shelby and Kroc keep at EliteFTS. On the one hand, what they do seems relatively straightforward. On the other, the low amount of total volume just doesn’t gel for me with the claim that Shelby makes as a general matter that training sessions usually last 2 hours for him. I’ve been wondering about that for a while.
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if you do a lot of warmup sets its not that hard to believe
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It takes me at least an hour most days. If I didn’t have a job, I could definitely see most days lasting 1.5 for me at least.[/quote]

You didn’t the same strategy in the past. In a lot of your old school thread ( Like prof x how do you train) You said that sometimes you were in and out the gym in 25 minutes.

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[quote]GTFOmyPowerRack wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]The3Commandments wrote:

Best example, imo, is the training logs Shelby and Kroc keep at EliteFTS. On the one hand, what they do seems relatively straightforward. On the other, the low amount of total volume just doesn’t gel for me with the claim that Shelby makes as a general matter that training sessions usually last 2 hours for him. I’ve been wondering about that for a while.
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if you do a lot of warmup sets its not that hard to believe
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It takes me at least an hour most days. If I didn’t have a job, I could definitely see most days lasting 1.5 for me at least.[/quote]

You didn’t the same strategy in the past. In a lot of your old school thread ( Like prof x how do you train) You said that sometimes you were in and out the gym in 25 minutes.

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I don’t think I wrote anywhere about training for only 25min. I always wrote 30-45 sometimes taking only 35min.

That was because back then, size alone was my only goal. I trained one body part a day and was all about more rest for max weight used.

I don’t think many people could get a good work out in in under 30min.

It also depended on what I was working even back then. Arms took way less time than shoulders which always took close to an hour.

Now, I do some exercises just as fillers between sets. I may go do some curls in between sets of back training. It is to keep my heart rate u which has made gigantic differences in how much fat I carry.

Right now I weigh what I did in CO but with a waist about 3" smaller.

Edit:
^I also used to train every single day without a rest day for weeks back then. Shorter training days made more sense with that and the food intake. It was a perfect field to just grow. My conditioning back then sucked though…but you honestly have to train in stages if your goal is to come anywhere near your true potential.

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For a start, remember that you are only 18 years old. You still have the best years of natural growth ahead of you.

2/ You have to get a little more scientific about your approach to your training program and nutritional requirements. No matter how long or how often you have been training you have to have a positive caloric balance and a sound periodized muscle building plan to achieve muscular hypertrophy… (getting bigger)

So with that being said you need to find out what your exact bf % is, so as to find your bmr, you need to know exactly how many calories a day that you are expending which includes factoring in your energy output for the day. No guessing at all. Without this basic knowledge then your quest for ultimate muscular hypertrophy is going to be totally hit and miss.

You have the best years of natural growth ahead of you so don’t blow it listening to all sorts of bs advice from pseudo wannabe experts and gurus; getting confused and disillusioned and making only mediocre gains in the coming years. Get involved in the industry, you can get good online strength and conditioning, personal training education and certification relatively cheap. Your 18 are you going to college?.. if so why not take human movement, physical therapy, kinesiology, exercise physiology or something similar. Hell do a dbl Physical Therapy and Nutrition, you’ll be one of the most sort after guys in American bestowed with that knowledge. You obviously enjoy exercise and want to continue to learn about it, so you will benefit by academically learning about your physical condition and physically alleviating that condition because of knowledge gained put into practice.

The very first law of life and exercise is “the law of individual difference”. Every single human being bar a minute % are different from each other and have to be treated as such when health and fitness is concerned and especially dietary concerns.

Here’s a short example, and I am not even sure if it is relevant to you as I have no knowledge of you as an individual at all, and at the risk of seeming to insult other posters to your question, which is definitely not my intention, I say this… several times posters told you to drink more milk, without pre qualifying it with “if you can tolerate it” or “If your not lactose intolerant” or something similar. Now drinking milk is not a bad thing unless like a hugh % of the population one is in fact lactose intolerant. And to make things even more troubling is that many people don’t even know it. Throat inflammation, bad breath, IBS, stomach upsets, constipation and bad gas are just some of the nasties that people put up with because they don’t realize they are lactose intolerant. So someone is going to be really unhappy if their symptoms get worse because they have increased their intake of a veritable poision… to them at least, because some guy on a web site told them to or that 6’2 260 shredded bodybuilder guru guy at the gym said he does.

While your thinking about this, take a week off, eat rest and re assess your training. Get ur skin folds recorded by a trainer at your gym, he will give you a printout of your muscle/fat ratios. It might cost you 30 bucks but it will be worth it… There are plenty of online resources eg livestrong that can help you find your bmr and daily energy expenditure… I bet the trainer at the gym would even run all the numbers for you for the cost of a visit.

With a scientifically based periodized muscle building program combined with a sound and appropriate nutritional regime you will never have issues achieving your goals…

a 3 second google search pulled up these stats on lactose intolerance…