Can't Catch a Break

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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Bitterbuffalo, as stated you gotta have a thick buffalo hide to post in the political threads more so if you are a Democrat or left leaning person. That said don’t get irritated by too much of the venom and talk of respect here.

If you woulda have said Bill Clinton a former President of our beloved Country should be executed and impaled on a steak many of those here concerned with respect would pat you on the back and welcome you into their loving open arms.

After all it’s all perspective. You had the balls to state your opinion. I somewhat remember one of the Powerful words statements that read something like this “Show me a man with no enemies and I will show you a man with no character,”. Welcome aboard and have the toughness to continue to state your view.

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If you want to discuss politics here get your facts in order.

If you just want to badmouth people you will get flamed.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
GriffinC wrote:
You’re gunna get no where trying to argue politics here. Just like argueing about gear, there’s no point. You’ll just get flamed, and flamed some more. Untill you stop responding on your own. Just give up while you still can. While I don’t agree with you, everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. But when your talking about gear and politics, you’re either with’em or against’em.

Pardon me - but that’s bullshit. You’re telling him to quit because he got flamed?

If you have even an ounce of conviction. If you have even a shread of pride in who you are and what you believe in, there should never be any quit. [/quote]

That’s what this web site is all about–quit because it’s too hard.

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You will believe what you want, but let me tell you about this “unjust war.”

I have personally sent several young Airmen to Iraq and Afghanistan. Fortunately, they all came home in one piece. They all returned tell me how much it sucked and how hard it was… immediately followed by “… but I’d do it all over again in a second.” or words very similar.

Maybe we didn’t get the whole truth going in, but we are doing good things over there.

My $.02

LA

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usdsig wrote:

Another new face!!!

Greetings!!!

"It seems to me that JeffR and Buffalo are perfect foils of each other…

They are the bizzarro versions of each other…"

Well, a new poster making a broad generalization. Cool!!!

The only problems is that much of my commentary is tongue-in-cheek. This guy/gal is serious.

Thanks for your input, however.

I’ll be watching you!!!

JeffR

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Brother E wrote:

“Bitterbuffalo, as stated you gotta have a thick buffalo hide to post in the political threads more so if you are a Democrat or left leaning person. That said don’t get irritated by too much of the venom and talk of respect here.”

E., come on!!! Are you defending this guy? Did you read his commentary on the soldier thread?

I thought you and I would have found that illusive common ground on this guy.

“If you woulda have said Bill Clinton a former President of our beloved Country should be executed and impaled on a steak many of those here concerned with respect would pat you on the back and welcome you into their loving open arms.”

No!!! No!!! No!!! You’ve got it all wrong.

If he would have said, “Strip clinton of power, influence, or purpose. Then keep the camera on him to see what happens.”

That’s the way!!!

By the way, the poor darling.

“After all it’s all perspective. You had the balls to state your opinion.”

E!!! That sounds like respect for this piss-pot!!!

“I somewhat remember one of the Powerful words statements that read something like this “Show me a man with no enemies and I will show you a man with no character,”. Welcome aboard and have the toughness to continue to state your view.”

Great. That means my character is boundless!!!

I love you, man.

JeffR

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[quote]LA wrote:
You will believe what you want, but let me tell you about this “unjust war.”

I have personally sent several young Airmen to Iraq and Afghanistan. Fortunately, they all came home in one piece. They all returned tell me how much it sucked and how hard it was… immediately followed by “… but I’d do it all over again in a second.” or words very similar.

Maybe we didn’t get the whole truth going in, but we are doing good things over there.

My $.02

LA [/quote]

This is a very easy thing to say when you come home with all your limbs and health. Mind you, I’m not questioning these airmen’s bravery. I am questioning the good things we are doing over there. They are “good things” in light of the fact we should not have been over there to begin with.

When you say “personally sent” you mean your sons/daughters, correct? Or are you an airforce CO and literally wrote their orders? If it is the later then it is your job and you would never question orders you are given and thus not recieve valid responses. I never once complained to a superior NCO/Officer no matter how mundane my grievance–it’s just not done.

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LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
“Just agree with everyone on the threads and then you will catch a break.”

No, just me.

“The soldiers and marines got a raw deal this time. I feel sorry for anyone in the armed forces now–lied to and killed in an unjust war.”

Liftus!!! Liftus!!! Liftus!!!

Do we have to go through all of this again???

“The Iraq war wasn’t to stop the spread of communism,”

True.

“not to stop the spread of fascism,”

True.

“not to prevent civil war,”

True.

“not even to take out an evil dictator.”

Wrong!!!

“It was to prove to the rest of the world the US is crazy enough to go to war for no reason at all.”

Bad liftus!!! Very bad. You can do so much better than this.

Are your bowels troubling you?

“WMD my ass.”

Wash.

“You really think we didn’t know they had no WMD?”

Who is we? Newsflash: They had non-declared WMD. No stockpiles. Vastly different argument.

“We flew missions over Iraq on a daily basis from 1990 up until 2003. They had pick up trucks with AA guns in the truck beds as their first line of defense.”

liftus!!! Stop sniffing the glue.

You mean using AA guns on our planes instead of nerve gas?

Newsflash: Hard to kill a jet pilot with nerve gas.

“Bush I missed his chance to stop Saddam and Bush II had to save his daddy’s face.”

Wait a tic. I thought it wasn’t about removing an evil dictator?

Oh, it was revenge. Oh, I see now.

“Meanwhile we forgot all about Afghanistan”

That’s news to me. Anyone like to post about the wonderful work being done in Afghanistan?

“while we’re watching the war nightly on network news–supporting our troops. Boo–war on terrorism. Yeah–Iraqi freedom.”

Newsflash: Terrorists and support for terrorists present in Iraq both before and after the War started.

Therefore, Iraq=War on terror.

Come on liftus, work harder than this.

“Go ahead stick that yellow ribbon on the back of your SUV–as a matter of fact, put up two–show your support. Or write a letter to your congress persons and ask when our forces are coming home then ask them when Osama bin Laden will be captured?”

Was that you mocking people who support the troops?

Bad liftus.

Oh, I didn’t realize that the War against Terror would be over when bin laden is removed.

Thanks for the notice.

“Question–where does the money from the purchse of the yellow ribbons go? I’m curious if maybe there is a fund set up for the newly disabled vets or widowed spouses.”

It goes to Halliburton. From there it is channeled to George H.W. Bush for payback. Remember that H.W. bought George’s first rubber, out of the Vietnam War, every single vote for every single election, trees for the ranch in Crawford, Laura’s earrings, copies of Clockwork Orange, W’s White House haircuts, W.'s children into and through college, etc…

That’s a lot of money that needs to be refunded.

Oh, I haven’t received my damn “I voted for W” check.

I’m pissed!!!

JeffR

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:
I never once complained to a superior NCO/Officer no matter how mundane my grievance–it’s just not done.[/quote]

This statement needs to be in bold face. I don’t think people outside of the military understand that at all.

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“I somewhat remember one of the Powerful words statements that read something like this “Show me a man with no enemies and I will show you a man with no character,”. Welcome aboard and have the toughness to continue to state your view.”

Great. That means my character is boundless!!!

Yes Jerf, if this be true you have character from here to eternity!

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[quote]JeffR wrote:
“We flew missions over Iraq on a daily basis from 1990 up until 2003. They had pick up trucks with AA guns in the truck beds as their first line of defense.”

liftus!!! Stop sniffing the glue.

You mean using AA guns on our planes instead of nerve gas?

Newsflash: Hard to kill a jet pilot with nerve gas.
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Operation Northern & Sothern watch!

No, you can’t win a war against an idea and my statement wasn’t to state that it will be once bin Laden was captured. Just that we seem to have forgotten our original intention. And of course there are terrorists in Iraq, NOW. You realy think roadside bombs were going off on a daily basis before we went over there? Al quiada were pissed of at saddams secular government but still not crazy enough not to be afraid of him either.

[guote]
“Question–where does the money from the purchse of the yellow ribbons go? I’m curious if maybe there is a fund set up for the newly disabled vets or widowed spouses.”

It goes to Halliburton. From there it is channeled to George H.W. Bush for payback. Remember that H.W. bought George’s first rubber, out of the Vietnam War, every single vote for every single election, trees for the ranch in Crawford, Laura’s earrings, copies of Clockwork Orange, W’s White House haircuts, W.'s children into and through college, etc…

That’s a lot of money that needs to be refunded.

Oh, I haven’t received my damn “I voted for W” check.

I’m pissed!!!

JeffR
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I was being serious. I think it’s funny that we will “support our troops” with a yellow ribbon but do nothing other than that. I was asking because I think it’d be a great idea to use the procedes for something constructive. And yea I was totally mocking SUV drivers who support the troops. I find it ironic we drive vehicles that deplete energy while we have troops gaurding oil fields.

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Hmmm.

Piece of advice. Everyone here participates because they choose to.

If you haven’t the sack for robust debate, spend your time doing something that hurts your feelings less.

If you decide to be here, will you get your ideas challenged? Certainly. We all have. That’s why we keep coming back.

If you’re disappointed this isn’t an echo chamber for your beliefs, step aside.

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You are officially the Fedorov91 of the political threads. You get your ass handed to you, so you start another thread to bitch about it. Shouldn’t this be in the “ladies forum”?

Someone started a troop appreciation thread and your first post on it basically said that the troops were all torturers and murderers. What response did you fucking expect? And now you’re on here whining? Unbelievable!!!

Please remove your dick and balls and return them to their place of manufacture for a full refund.

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[quote]LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I’m not questioning these airmen’s bravery. I am questioning the good things we are doing over there. They are “good things” in light of the fact we should not have been over there to begin with.

[/quote]

For someone who takes orders, doesn’t talk back to their supperiors, and served his/her country, you sure ask a lot of questions.

To Buff and LIFT,

Tell me. Why are you so bitter in wish not to support your country anymore? Was it the “Meat Steak” MRE that left that bad taste in your mouth? Maybe the veggie delight was more your liking…

The two of you sound like the airmen I’ve seen come and go. They were young, inexperienced in the ways of politics and the military. They lacked discipline! And they had a “50lb chip” on their shoulder.

You never really had any intention in serving your country did you?!?! You just wanted your college paid for, a roof over your head, and a career you can use outside of the military. Unfortunately, you didn’t want to do the time for Uncle Sam. Now you feel betrayed because you were let down by your government. Let down how?

What inspired you to hate America and what it stands for? And yes Prof X, if you don’t support what your government is doing than you do not support the drive behind this country. How do you think America became the great country it is today? How do you think this website came to pass without legislative approval? It’s called individual freedom!!! And like all clubs, this one has rules one follows in keeping it the great country it is.

OD

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OD, you had a nice post going, but I don’t fathom your logic on this part.

So, when we have things like Watergate going on, then it is better to support the government than correct its transgressions?

I know you may not care what my opinion is, but I think there are appropriate ways to question what the government is doing – and obviously inappropriate ways to do so.

You can do either and still be serving your country honorably.

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[quote]Original_Demon wrote:
LIFTICVSMAXIMVS wrote:

I’m not questioning these airmen’s bravery. I am questioning the good things we are doing over there. They are “good things” in light of the fact we should not have been over there to begin with.

For someone who takes orders, doesn’t talk back to their supperiors, and served his/her country, you sure ask a lot of questions.

To Buff and LIFT,

Tell me. Why are you so bitter in wish not to support your country anymore? Was it the “Meat Steak” MRE that left that bad taste in your mouth? Maybe the veggie delight was more your liking…

The two of you sound like the airmen I’ve seen come and go. They were young, inexperienced in the ways of politics and the military. They lacked discipline! And they had a “50lb chip” on their shoulder.

You never really had any intention in serving your country did you?!?! You just wanted your college paid for, a roof over your head, and a career you can use outside of the military. Unfortunately, you didn’t want to do the time for Uncle Sam. Now you feel betrayed because you were let down by your government. Let down how?

What inspired you to hate America and what it stands for? And yes Prof X, if you don’t support what your government is doing than you do not support the drive behind this country. How do you think America became the great country it is today? How do you think this website came to pass without legislative approval? It’s called individual freedom!!! And like all clubs, this one has rules one follows in keeping it the great country it is.

OD
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OD, nice very inspiring you should help the Army recruiters, I hear there way down on meeting numbers and I mean way down. Jerfy will be very proud of your post. I like how you mention individual freedoms and in the next sentence talk about rules to follow.

I also like how you talk about the “young inexperienced airmen who aren’t wise in the ways of the world and lack discipline,”. There is a lot of em over in Iraq right now huh? Poor dumb bastards.

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[quote]Original_Demon wrote:
And yes Prof X, if you don’t support what your government is doing than you do not support the drive behind this country. How do you think America became the great country it is today? How do you think this website came to pass without legislative approval? It’s called individual freedom!!!
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Bullshit. The drive behind this country is the Constitution, not the current president. The drive behind this country was to escape the control of dictatorships and establish a nation for the people and by the people. The people have many opinions that may not all agree at all times. That is why we all have that Constitution to look back to. I joined the military pledging to uphold the rights that document spoke of, not to uphold Conservatives or Liberals or George Bush or Your personal views. This country goes beyond the pettiness of right now and is based on a document that was so well written, that it has only required relatively minor change in over 2 centuries. Get your facts straight, kid. I do what I am called to do. I fight when I am told to fight, however my mind transcends the current battle and your little tiffs of power. I am about promotion of a set of basic principles that have NOTHING to do with a war in Iraq and everything to do with the basic promotion of freedom as far as the people of this country. Everything else is bias and opinion.

That means I do not have to agree with you to serve this country. I do not have to mentally support a war in Iraq to fullfill the obligation I made. Only someone so blind to the view points of all others would even make a statement as juvenile as the one you just made to me. Kiss my patriotic ass.

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Just going to give my $.02 on this… I think its ok to go ahead and say that bush’s foreign policy is crap and even call him a war monger if you will, but wherever your countries? troops are you should support them 100% cause no matter what, they are fighting and even dying for what they think is a noble cause AND we should never give them a reason to think we don’t support them!

–moe

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[quote]vroom wrote:
And yes Prof X, if you don’t support what your government is doing than you do not support the drive behind this country.

OD, you had a nice post going, but I don’t fathom your logic on this part.

So, when we have things like Watergate going on, then it is better to support the government than correct its transgressions?

I know you may not care what my opinion is, but I think there are appropriate ways to question what the government is doing – and obviously inappropriate ways to do so.

You can do either and still be serving your country honorably.[/quote]

Vroom, on this issue, it’s very difficult to divide the line. I believe in fighting for this country and what it stands for. Even if it doesn’t seem ethical at times to follow through with said laid plans. There is always a greater cause for good. Even if absolute power tries to corrupt absolutely!

You seem to be asking me; where does this government’s loyalty lie? When you should be asking me… Where does my loyalty lie…?

My loyalty lies with this nation. If I were from another country, my loyalty would lie with them. It?s that simple.

I understand that you are not trying to change my opinion. And you are voicing yours. However, It is not my opinion that serves me in this issue. I derive my loyalty to this nation, not from my opinion, but from my own personal experiences. I derive everything I do for my country from what I?ve seen with my own eyes!!! Not political propaganda?.

-side note-

When I joined the service I was 20 years-old. I was young and arrogant, but inspired none-the-less. And I wanted to travel the world and work for my country. Boy I didn?t know what I was about to get myself into. But damn was I glad I was there! And what did I receive for my inquisitive nature? What I received from the United States Air Force is no more than, phenomenal?. I?ve been places and seen things that do not exist and are not mapped. I?ve worked with teams and experienced great things in a military theatre that could only be explained by it?s captivation through first-person perspective. I have served side-by-side with President Bush, and his counsel, in numerous theatrical operations. And I have secured the safety of both US soldiers and UN personnel.

I?m constantly asked; why do I like America and what it stands for? Than I think of what I?ve experienced. Some people are locked behind a desk or stuck inside a cubicle. They go to work, come home, and do the same thing again tomorrow. Then there are overachievers. They are looked up to and are admired. They come home from work; have dinner prepared for their family after watching their child smash a homerun; and celebrate the many great things that they receive. This is the American dream. It?s not because of money. It?s not because of conforming. Success is accomplished through strong morale values.

OD

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[quote]Original_Demon wrote:

Vroom, on this issue, it’s very difficult to divide the line. I believe in fighting for this country and what it stands for. Even if it doesn’t seem ethical at times to follow through with said laid plans. There is always a greater cause for good. Even if absolute power tries to corrupt absolutely!

You seem to be asking me; where does this government’s loyalty lie? When you should be asking me… Where does my loyalty lie…?

My loyalty lies with this nation. If I were from another country, my loyalty would lie with them. It?s that simple.

I understand that you are not trying to change my opinion. And you are voicing yours. However, It is not my opinion that serves me in this issue. I derive my loyalty to this nation, not from my opinion, but from my own personal experiences. I derive everything I do for my country from what I?ve seen with my own eyes!!! Not political propaganda?.

-side note-

When I joined the service I was 20 years-old. I was young and arrogant, but inspired none-the-less. And I wanted to travel the world and work for my country. Boy I didn?t know what I was about to get myself into. But damn was I glad I was there! And what did I receive for my inquisitive nature? What I received from the United States Air Force is no more than, phenomenal?. I?ve been places and seen things that do not exist and are not mapped. I?ve worked with teams and experienced great things in a military theatre that could only be explained by it?s captivation through first-person perspective. I have served side-by-side with President Bush, and his counsel, in numerous theatrical operations. And I have secured the safety of both US soldiers and UN personnel.

I?m constantly asked; why do I like America and what it stands for? Than I think of what I?ve experienced. Some people are locked behind a desk or stuck inside a cubicle. They go to work, come home, and do the same thing again tomorrow. Then there are overachievers. They are looked up to and are admired. They come home from work; have dinner prepared for their family after watching their child smash a homerun; and celebrate the many great things that they receive. This is the American dream. It?s not because of money. It?s not because of conforming. Success is accomplished through strong morale values.

OD
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Damn. It’s taken nearly 350 posts, but OD is finally starting to make sense.