[quote]gswork wrote:
Akuma (& others) - what do you think of upright rows in terms of overall shoulder development?
Incidently, where did that ‘rolling shoulder’ shrug come from, it surprises me everytime i see it[/quote]
I personally avoid upright rows as they’re supposed to be pretty harsh on your rotator cuff.
I have no idea on the rolling shoulder shrugs. I just try and touch my delts to my ears when I shrug.
[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
[quote]gswork wrote:
Akuma (& others) - what do you think of upright rows in terms of overall shoulder development?
Incidently, where did that ‘rolling shoulder’ shrug come from, it surprises me everytime i see it[/quote]
I personally avoid upright rows as they’re supposed to be pretty harsh on your rotator cuff.
I have no idea on the rolling shoulder shrugs. I just try and touch my delts to my ears when I shrug.[/quote]
Yah, I remember BBB actually saying they use the upright row motion to test for shoulder girdle/rotator cuff injuries or impairments. Or something like that 
Meaning, you shouldn’t use them as a mass builder, at least not the narrow grip kind.
First off, thanks for these T-Cell-like threads Akuma, as we all can’t post in there.
My favorite rear delt isolation exercise is reverse pec deck. I go high reps, usually above 10 for 4 or 5 sets.
[quote]Rocky2 wrote:
First off, thanks for these T-Cell-like threads Akuma, as we all can’t post in there.
My favorite rear delt isolation exercise is reverse pec deck. I go high reps, usually above 10 for 4 or 5 sets.[/quote]
Just trying to contribute in some way i dont get my juevos hacked at.
[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
Good threads Akuma,
My deltoid workout (on arm day) looks like this:
standing db lateral raises
reverse pec deck machine (rear delts)
…I saw an article here that said tall guys should ditch the military press and stick with lateral raises, so that is what I did.
Does anybody think this is enough for my shoulders to grow? I am tall and bulking up (long arms) if that means anything. I start at 12.5 db’s and go up to 20 for 10 reps, then 25 for 4 reps cheating a little.
Thanks!!![/quote]
No, that’s not enough. Not even close. And your shoulders aren’t gonna grow at all without doing presses. Just because you read an article somewhere that said you shouldn’t, cuz you’re tall, don’t make that an excuse to not do them.
Which brings me to my next observation: What is with all the undue caution in here? Don’t press because you’re tall (WTF?!), upright rows bad for your rotator cuff?
Anyone who blacklists an exercise because of something they heard, or read, is a fucking idiot. Get your ass under the bar, and try it. If it hurts your shoulder, or is not comfortable, by all means, stop doing it. I don’t do behind the neck presses because I tried it for a while, and it just felt like my left shoulder was gonna tear right out of its socket. If you try something and it just isn’t working for you, don’t do it anymore, but for cryin’ out loud, at least TRY it first.
[quote]Hyena wrote:
[quote]eyegainweightbig wrote:
Good threads Akuma,
My deltoid workout (on arm day) looks like this:
standing db lateral raises
reverse pec deck machine (rear delts)
…I saw an article here that said tall guys should ditch the military press and stick with lateral raises, so that is what I did.
Does anybody think this is enough for my shoulders to grow? I am tall and bulking up (long arms) if that means anything. I start at 12.5 db’s and go up to 20 for 10 reps, then 25 for 4 reps cheating a little.
Thanks!!![/quote]
No, that’s not enough. Not even close. And your shoulders aren’t gonna grow at all without doing presses. Just because you read an article somewhere that said you shouldn’t, cuz you’re tall, don’t make that an excuse to not do them.
Which brings me to my next observation: What is with all the undue caution in here? Don’t press because you’re tall (WTF?!), upright rows bad for your rotator cuff?
Anyone who blacklists an exercise because of something they heard, or read, is a fucking idiot. Get your ass under the bar, and try it. If it hurts your shoulder, or is not comfortable, by all means, stop doing it. I don’t do behind the neck presses because I tried it for a while, and it just felt like my left shoulder was gonna tear right out of its socket. If you try something and it just isn’t working for you, don’t do it anymore, but for cryin’ out loud, at least TRY it first.
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I basically agree. If you try something and it doesnt feel right, dont do it, but try it first. Another thing you have to ask yourself is if your form is good. Ive had people try deadlifts and squats and say they dont like it because of it how feels. EVERYONE sucks at squats when first doing them. NO ONE jumps into a squat without knowing what to do and automatically loves them. If your form isnt down, youre probably not going to like the exercise. If your form is down pat, and you still dont like the exercise, fuck it. There are so many variations to so many movements that to get stuck on one is just plain ridiculous.
Upright rows do suck balls, I’ve never known anyone to have them as a staple in their routine lol.
And I’m sorry but once you reach a certain point, certainly after a few years, raises>presses shoulder development all day
The only thing worse than a small shoulder is one that is completely over powered by front delt aka someone who utilizes presses for the meat of their shoulder workout/development for years on end.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Upright rows do suck balls, I’ve never known anyone to have them as a staple in their routine lol.
And I’m sorry but once you reach a certain point, certainly after a few years, raises>presses shoulder development all day
The only thing worse than a small shoulder is one that is completely over powered by front delt aka someone who utilizes presses for the meat of their shoulder workout/development for years on end.[/quote]
for the upright rows, like i said, Lol id never consider it a necessary movement.
As for the Raise>press statement…The point i think that should be clear is your workout shouldnt be multiple presses. I wouldnt say something like presses are useless period, because every professional ive looked at uses at least 1 press in their shoulder routine. If anything, its just the base to the pyramid though. It still serves a purpose. Raises> presses, but i will never NOT include 1 press in my routine.
anyway, judging from his shoulder “routine” I think some presses would do him good. Presses are invaluable in a shoulder routine, especially for beginners. As you progress, sure you can move away from them, but don’t deny that military press = bread and butter of shoulder training.
Yah, like I told him earlier I would never ditch pressing in my shoulder workout, I just do it last. Lateral raises are the bread and butter of my shoulder routine, true story.
And Akuma, I agree. I see lots of people do a BB press, then DB press, and then a machine burnout or something at the end. lol wut?
Akuma great post man. I love to see people do that circular shoulder shrugging thing. i saw someone i know actually doing that shit and i asked him wtf are you doing. he said i’m trying to hit the entire shoulder. after watching this guy do 2 more sets of this shit i reached my boiling point and introduced him to the delt triad which i’m surprised wasn’t mentioned yet. do this at the end of your shoulder routine and i guarantee you won’t be able to wipe your ass for 2 days.
i turned mine into a superset doing 10 of each movement one after another.
Awesome thread guys. My shoulders are definitely lacking, well everything is lacking really, but my shoulders are being dominated by the anterior head. It’s time to rethink my shoulder development and this thread has some good ideas.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Yah, like I told him earlier I would never ditch pressing in my shoulder workout, I just do it last. Lateral raises are the bread and butter of my shoulder routine, true story.
And Akuma, I agree. I see lots of people do a BB press, then DB press, and then a machine burnout or something at the end. lol wut?[/quote]
Oh no doubt. if you people watch, <95% of the people you see have terrible form, terrible routines, and have not changed an lb/inch SINCE ive began going to that gym. So many times people have come up to me in a gym and asked me what i do.
When in response ask what they do, i get some retarded, half assed routine that they attempt to justify because ‘They dont want to get too big.’ Now isnt that just the biggest pile of crap youve ever heard? A. You dont wake up one morning at 260lbs, when you went to bed at 180, just because you had a good routine the night before.
B. If you didnt want to get TOO big, why are you asking one of the biggest guys at the gym for advice on what to do. People in the gym are lemmings, Simply going through the motions and egotistically attempting to move weight around as they can then say that they DO go to the gym and they “Totally lift heavy.”
Thats what these threads are all about. There are so many bodybuilders out there who had different approaches, different methods, that a lot dont know about. There are a lot of beginners that probably feel overwhelmed looking at a site like this, and are also afraid to ask questions in fear of being castrated.
Hell, there are probably some Moderate-advanced people who need “PROPORTIONS” Nailed into their head. If one does not accept new information and continue to grow mentally as they develop physically, they will never truly reach the pinnacle of this sport.
I’m tall, I use DBs for my pressing movements and upright shoulder rows suck massive donkey balls. And I do my pressing movements first in my workout, but I’ve stalled on the 100 lbers for a while now, maybe time to switch that up.
And Akuma - you know you like when we hack at your juevos.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I’m tall, I use DBs for my pressing movements and upright shoulder rows suck massive donkey balls. And I do my pressing movements first in my workout, but I’ve stalled on the 100 lbers for a while now, maybe time to switch that up.
And Akuma - you know you like when we hack at your juevos.[/quote]
Ive military DB pressed the 140s at my gym, fucking problem is getting those bitches up lol. I take the back. The real problem is them coming down. Major Dead leg, not to mention having done legs 2-3 days prior. Sucks ass.
-And only because i have Juevos to spare.
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[quote]Akuma01 wrote:
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
I’m tall, I use DBs for my pressing movements and upright shoulder rows suck massive donkey balls. And I do my pressing movements first in my workout, but I’ve stalled on the 100 lbers for a while now, maybe time to switch that up.
And Akuma - you know you like when we hack at your juevos.[/quote]
Ive DB pressed the 140s at my gym, fucking problem is getting those bitches up lol. I take the back. The real problem is them coming down. Major Dead leg, not to mention having done legs 2-3 days prior. Sucks ass.
-And only because i have Juevos to spare.[/quote]
My gym has the intek rubber dumbbells so I just drop them and they barely make a sound. Plus they’re easy to rest on the knees. They’re actually pretty awesome, despite looking ultra-unhardcore.
The ones at my gym are rubber too, up until you get to 130. Its weird. 5lbs-105lbs are regular rubber dumbbels, 110-120 are rubber dumbbells with fat grips. 130 and 140 are Big ass plate Dumbbells. Dropping these things = freight train coming through. Not to mention, my gym is above a FUCKIng DENTIST’S OFFICE.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
The only thing worse than a small shoulder is one that is completely over powered by front delt aka someone who utilizes presses for the meat of their shoulder workout/development for years on end.[/quote]
Thanks for describing me to the “T” hahaha.
I want to build boulder shoudlers but pressing takes priority in my training. I even have to be careful of shoulder volume on my gym day or else it really plays into my log or axle on event day.
That said, I have been reminded of a lot of good exercises in this thread. I typically stay away from the cables unless doing face pulls or standing crunches but I see the error in that. I’m going to throw in some Bonez Raises (it’s catching on!!!) and rear delt work to fill my shoulders out more.
I have almost no lateral size in my delts, completely overpowered by the front. The back has been ‘decent’ at best.
Waylander,
do you set a bench up with a vertical backrest in the smith machine to do overhead presses? Also, why do you recommend the smith machine, instead of cable press machine, overhead press machine, db press, bb press, etc (just wondering)