In every lift there is always room for improvement
Yet the battle for the 500kg deadlift and the 800lb bench press is still a very limited pool of people.
Once again: this is one of those areas you don’t have any experience in. This would be a great opportunity for you to listen more and speak less on the subject. @RT_Nomad is giving you a fantastic historical perspective, and I’m one of many other competitors sharing competition experience with you.
At 66kg bodyweight no one will ever be able to deadlift 500kg. The ones whom deadlifted 500 right now weigh 200kg. They decided they want to weigh at 200kg, and they decided they don’t mind taking insane amount of drugs. They’re the only ones willing to sacrifice their whole body for 500kg deadlift. Why you talking about if there is so much to it? Yes, genetics play a role, but there are probably many others if dedicated themselves to the sport as Hafthor or Hall did, they would also get 500kg.
Olivia Reeves coach said that she is one in a million. And he also said that there are many people on the street that can get to the same level she is, but they just don’t dedicate themselves.
Whomever wants to bench 700lb+ and weigh half a Harley, he is welcome to do so. Don’t act there is so much to it.
I genuinely don’t know what you’re saying to even say if you’re right or wrong. Again: I have no idea what that sentence is saying there.
I very much disagree with your assessment that there are many others out there that can do what Hall and Hafthor have done, primarily because we have OBSERVED those very people try and fail to do so. Pritchett, Hooper, Shaw, Benni, etc. Same with the bench I mentioned.
Occasionally, we are granted the ability to see once in a lifetime athletes perform their very best, through a combination of the right genetics for the sport AND selecting the right sport as a result of growing up in an area where it’s the right pick for them. It’s amazing how often those things need to align.
Yes, the ones that dedicated themselves for strongman. The size of the group of people doing strongman is very very small, primarily because it’s not a healthy sport (nutrition wise, and probably training wise).
The size of the group of people doing strongman is very very small, primarily because it’s not a healthy sport (nutrition wise, and probably training wise).
It’s less the health and more the payoff FOR the health consequences. The NFL is far worse, from a health perspective, but people will trample their grandmothers for a shot at the NFL because the pay is great.
But, in either case, even with a larger pool, the amount of people that will ever be able to lift those kinds of weights is going to be able to be counted on 2 hands.
I, again, feel we are running into a language barrier here. I’m wanting to know what that sentence meant. That’s all. There’s no hidden agenda behind me wanting to understand you: it’s just what humans do when they have a conversation with a genuine intent of understanding. This isn’t a “gotcha!” stupid internet thing: this is me saying “Hey, I didn’t understand what you meant here: can you clarify?”
You are being needlessly combative here.
Eddie hall had to imagine his family stuck under a car to be able to lift 500kg.
Eddie Hall says a LOT of things to get a lot of views on social media. He is a master self-promoter, and is fantastic with kayfabe. I would very rarely take anything he says at face value.
You could have started lifting weights in 1968, like I did. I never heard of a tutor for weight lifting or bodybuilding, or even strength building. The common saying at that time was, “Weight lifting makes you muscle bound.” In college when I started lifting weights, only two football players at North Carolina State University lifted weights at all.
I had never heard of a published workout program, not that I would have used one if I had access to one.
BTW, I never had a tutor. Surely you are smarter than I ever was.
I meant like a trainer. It can be more confusing today because of the internet. There are many opinions and they tell you should do sheiko and they say you should do calgary. No one really said something about learning the foundations.
Probably you are because you probably learned from books
I never bought a book about lifting weights.
I did buy muscle magazines, if you consider those as a good guide to a good workout program.
I learned by watching others find success in the gym that I worked out. But there were very few that I was around who knew more or were as advanced as I was. Word of mouth would get around about training startegies. It was best to glean principles and not blindly following what another did.
I have often considered myself as a pioneer among those whom I lifted weights around.
I have always been my trainer. I used my self-designed feedback program (from Shewhart’s PDCA) to assess improvement.
and you blew it off because it’s extra time? The reason I said find someone bigger and stronger to lift with is because you need to stop reading theories and start lifting with someone who has successfully achieved something worthwhile.
First, i didn’t say i want a trainer, i said i had a salad in my head before this post. Second, i don’t have someone like that in my gym, or someone like that in the area. I had a good friend a few years older than me, but he moved away.
Because i’m justifying the reason i was “confused” about training.
Maybe i’ll want a trainer later because maybe i’ll do weightlifting, maybe i’ll be stuck on the 3 lifts and need some help. Probably i’ll do well by myself. There is a small chance i’ll take one in the future.
Not sure if you can see this from a dispassionate way but you started this thread like this, but seem to be more intent on giving reasons why people’s advice won’t work than receiving advice.
Also you seem to be a walking contradiction: You want to gain muscle, via strength focused programmes, not hypertrophy focused programs. You are clearly concerned about lifting form and safety but don’t want a coach or trainer. You want to gain muscle but don’t want to push your calories.
You’ve said this and then really seem resistance to getting knowledge from record holding strength competitors.
Then you bring up drugs and why you couldn’t be as good as other people because they’re all juiced up. This is a really massive self limiting belief, there have been insanely strong people for millennium - before steroids were ever synthesised. Look at guys like Eugen Sandow, Arthur Saxon, Louis Cyr etc all did massive feats of strength way before steroids.
Ramble over.
Like I said hopefully you can take a dispassionate look at this thread, see there are some really big strong experienced guys who have some solid advice, they are giving to you for free, they’ll continue to help and guide you and ask nothing in return. All you have to do is take some of the advice, don’t overthink it and just run with it.