[quote]UtahLama wrote:
What if the big guy goes out of his way to give the “wrong advices”[/quote]
just yell as loud as you can.
arnold was a scumbag. i dont why he’s loved so much.
BTW, I don’t consider myself to be huge, but I do consider myself to be a proficient lifter in several of the lifts and would give advice if asked for it on several lifts (squats, deads, cleans, etc). But I would probably not give advice on how to get big biceps or different curling variation, because I don’t have big biceps and don’t do a lot of curls.
If I wanted to learn how to get big biceps, I would go ask the guy with big biceps, the guy that mastered the art of curling.
[quote]caveman101 wrote:
whatabout stuff like technique? a not-big guy can have perfect form on the squat, can he not teach it?[/quote]
There is a difference in having perfect form with a small amount of weight vs having perfect form with maximal weights. A guy that can only perform a body-weight squat rep with perfect form is probably not the guy that would want to teach a 2-2.5 times body-weight squat. Things change as the weight goes up. You either need to be able to move the weight yourself (or have been able to do it in the past) to understand or have serious experience coaching the movement. I don’t know a lot good coaches that have never, at one time or another, been able to be proficient in what they are coaching.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
UtahLama wrote:
What if the big guy goes out of his way to give the “wrong advices”
just yell as loud as you can.
arnold was a scumbag. i dont why he’s loved so much.[/quote]
Yes he has acomplished so little in his time on earth.
LOL…if you look at the outtakes from the Anniversary issue of Pumping Iron, all those dudes still like him and are friends.
And most highly successful cats have their share of haters, comes with the territory.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
What if the big guy goes out of his way to give the “wrong advices”[/quote]
You should see the posing routine he just gave me. I’m going to tear it up!
[quote]shawnhavoc wrote:
caveman101 wrote:
whatabout stuff like technique? a not-big guy can have perfect form on the squat, can he not teach it?
There is a difference in having perfect form with a small amount of weight vs having perfect form with maximal weights. A guy that can only perform a body-weight squat rep with perfect form is probably not the guy that would want to teach a 2-2.5 times body-weight squat. Things change as the weight goes up. You either need to be able to move the weight yourself (or have been able to do it in the past) to understand or have serious experience coaching the movement. I don’t know a lot good coaches that have never, at one time or another, been able to be proficient in what they are coaching.[/quote]
Agreed…and that goes back to experience.
Someone who has never benched anywhere near 400lbs does not have a clue what is involved in using that much weight to stimulate that muscle group. That is why so many clueless newbs think pros are training wrong because they cheat while lifting or don’t “lock out” on a bench press.
You think that way when you have never been that big to note the difference in feel with that much weight.
No, someone small and weak can NOT teach that. They wouldn’t have a damn clue.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
UtahLama wrote:
What if the big guy goes out of his way to give the “wrong advices”
just yell as loud as you can.
arnold was a scumbag. i dont why he’s loved so much.
Yes he has acomplished so little in his time on earth.
LOL…if you look at the outtakes from the Anniversary issue of Pumping Iron, all those dudes still like him and are friends.
And most highly successful cats have their share of haters, comes with the territory.
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what do his accomplishments have to do with him being an asshole by sabotaging people who were looking for help?
adolf hitler accomplished a lot too. does that mean i cant dislike things he’s done? it just makes me a hater right?
[quote]AngryVader wrote:
UtahLama wrote:
What if the big guy goes out of his way to give the “wrong advices”
You should see the posing routine he just gave me. I’m going to tear it up![/quote]
Just make sure the higher you hold your arms up, the louder you yell.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
shawnhavoc wrote:
caveman101 wrote:
whatabout stuff like technique? a not-big guy can have perfect form on the squat, can he not teach it?
There is a difference in having perfect form with a small amount of weight vs having perfect form with maximal weights. A guy that can only perform a body-weight squat rep with perfect form is probably not the guy that would want to teach a 2-2.5 times body-weight squat. Things change as the weight goes up. You either need to be able to move the weight yourself (or have been able to do it in the past) to understand or have serious experience coaching the movement. I don’t know a lot good coaches that have never, at one time or another, been able to be proficient in what they are coaching.
Agreed…and that goes back to experience.
Someone who has never benched anywhere near 400lbs does not have a clue what is involved in using that much weight to stimulate that muscle group. That is why so many clueless newbs think pros are training wrong because they cheat while lifting or don’t “lock out” on a bench press.
You think that way when you have never been that big to note the difference in feel with that much weight.
No, someone small and weak can NOT teach that. They wouldn’t have a damn clue.[/quote]
I’m a little curious to see what are people’s take on authors like mike boyle. He sounds like he knows a ton about oly lifts and training his athletes, but there are a good number of guys here who are bigger than him. I guess the question would be, if you could squat more than him, would you still listen to his advice on squatting?
[quote]iwong wrote:
Professor X wrote:
shawnhavoc wrote:
caveman101 wrote:
whatabout stuff like technique? a not-big guy can have perfect form on the squat, can he not teach it?
There is a difference in having perfect form with a small amount of weight vs having perfect form with maximal weights. A guy that can only perform a body-weight squat rep with perfect form is probably not the guy that would want to teach a 2-2.5 times body-weight squat. Things change as the weight goes up. You either need to be able to move the weight yourself (or have been able to do it in the past) to understand or have serious experience coaching the movement. I don’t know a lot good coaches that have never, at one time or another, been able to be proficient in what they are coaching.
Agreed…and that goes back to experience.
Someone who has never benched anywhere near 400lbs does not have a clue what is involved in using that much weight to stimulate that muscle group. That is why so many clueless newbs think pros are training wrong because they cheat while lifting or don’t “lock out” on a bench press.
You think that way when you have never been that big to note the difference in feel with that much weight.
No, someone small and weak can NOT teach that. They wouldn’t have a damn clue.
I’m a little curious to see what are people’s take on authors like mike boyle. He sounds like he knows a ton about oly lifts and training his athletes, but there are a good number of guys here who are bigger than him. I guess the question would be, if you could squat more than him, would you still listen to his advice on squatting?[/quote]
Why would most of us give a shit about someone who trains Olympic lifters unless we are also trying to be Olympic lifters? I wouldn’t ask him for advice because I don’t follow anything he has done and am not interested in Olympic lifting. His size isn’t even the primary issue.
[quote]iwong wrote:
Professor X wrote:
shawnhavoc wrote:
caveman101 wrote:
whatabout stuff like technique? a not-big guy can have perfect form on the squat, can he not teach it?
There is a difference in having perfect form with a small amount of weight vs having perfect form with maximal weights. A guy that can only perform a body-weight squat rep with perfect form is probably not the guy that would want to teach a 2-2.5 times body-weight squat. Things change as the weight goes up. You either need to be able to move the weight yourself (or have been able to do it in the past) to understand or have serious experience coaching the movement. I don’t know a lot good coaches that have never, at one time or another, been able to be proficient in what they are coaching.
Agreed…and that goes back to experience.
Someone who has never benched anywhere near 400lbs does not have a clue what is involved in using that much weight to stimulate that muscle group. That is why so many clueless newbs think pros are training wrong because they cheat while lifting or don’t “lock out” on a bench press.
You think that way when you have never been that big to note the difference in feel with that much weight.
No, someone small and weak can NOT teach that. They wouldn’t have a damn clue.
I’m a little curious to see what are people’s take on authors like mike boyle. He sounds like he knows a ton about oly lifts and training his athletes, but there are a good number of guys here who are bigger than him. I guess the question would be, if you could squat more than him, would you still listen to his advice on squatting?[/quote]
Mike Boyle is an incredible coach that has over 25 years of coaching experience. No he is not huge, he is not a bodybuilder, but I would bet that he can still out-lift 95% + of the readers on this website, not to mention what he was able to lift in his prime. Many great coaches can no longer do what they used to, that is part of aging, but his experience can’t be matched. Even if I could currently out-lift Coach Boyle, I would love to spend a week training with him learning everything I possibly could from him.
No, you don’t have to be huge to give good advice, but you must have the experience or proficiency in order to be taken seriously. An internet keyboard warrior that has read every book/article on lifting but yet has never lifted anything heavy will never have any credibility until he spends some time under the bar.
Would you take advice on women from a 300 lb slob that has never had a date much less slept with a women? Even if this shut-in spent every waking hour looking at porn on the internet , it would not make him an expert on women and he would probably not be the guy you would go to for advice. It is the same with the omniscient keyboard warriors that have never accomplished anything under the bar.
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
What if the big guy goes out of his way to give the “wrong advices”[/quote]
Arnold did an interview years after Pumping Iron and here’s some things he had to say. I’m not saying they are absolutely true, but this as his take.
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They tried to make Lou Ferigno as the “bad guy” but he just didn’t have the personality or the charisma to do so, so instead they let Arnold take that role.
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He made up the whole giving Franco bad advice thing just to make the movie that much more intriguing.
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The scene in the movie were it shows some of the other bodybuilders throwing the football and talking about taking Mike Catz’s shirt was actually shot after the competition just b/c Mike Catz coincidentally lost his shirt.
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He actually was smoking weed at the end of the movie. He then makes an allusion to Bill Clinton’s famous “but I didn’t inhale” speech and makes sure the audience knows that he, Arnold, in fact did inhale lol.
It was an interesting interview.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
UtahLama wrote:
What if the big guy goes out of his way to give the “wrong advices”
Arnold did an interview years after Pumping Iron and here’s some things he had to say. I’m not saying they are absolutely true, but this as his take.
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They tried to make Lou Ferigno as the “bad guy” but he just didn’t have the personality or the charisma to do so, so instead they let Arnold take that role.
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He made up the whole giving Franco bad advice thing just to make the movie that much more intriguing.
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The scene in the movie were it shows some of the other bodybuilders throwing the football and talking about taking Mike Catz’s shirt was actually shot after the competition just b/c Mike Catz coincidentally lost his shirt.
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He actually was smoking weed at the end of the movie. He then makes an allusion to Bill Clinton’s famous “but I didn’t inhale” speech and makes sure the audience knows that he, Arnold, in fact did inhale lol.
It was an interesting interview.[/quote]
Yep it was in the extras of the Anniversary release of Pumping Iron that I referenced above…it was a pretty damn interesting interview with Arnold and the Producers.
I believe even the film makers admitted that they shot a ton of footage and then tried to crate some semblance of a story. Certainly not a bad thing.
S
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
matsm21 wrote:
anyone who is not(or has not been) bigger/stronger then me, or has built someone as such, I will not take advice from to get bigger/stronger. end of story.
I’ll assume you’re pretty stacked already, but if I gave you the advice to try Coan-Phillipi or wrote something in the same realm myself, that worked for me. You wouldn’t consider it because I only deadlift in the 400s?
(relatively) smaller guys CAN give good advice. But it’s someone elses advice that they picked up along the way, More or less It’s more of a way to DISCREDIT someone then to give someone credit.
Would you grow on levrone’s 3000 calorie a day diet? I wouldn’t and I’m way smaller. Experience is necesary, how much is a different story.[/quote]
No dude, I still wouldn’t take that advice. It may have worked for you to get your deadlift from 300 to 400 lbs., but how do you know it will work for ME to get MY deadlift from 600 to 700 LBS? If coan , phillipi, or someone who has accomplished the thing I am trying to do said it, then I would listen.
Theres more to it then just suggesting a good program.