Thank you juggs i really appreciate actual advice instead of being flamed constantly. I have researched the hell out of this, the difficult thing is there is so much conflicting advice. Obviously a lot of people dont know what they are talking about. You seem like you do and the more i looked into it you are definitely right. The gains an ai inhibit are only going to be from water retention and these are the gains ill lose anways so im definitely going to take your advice and use one throughout. Not sure i can get ahold of some hcg, i know its beneficial but how crucial is it? You think ill be ok without?
One more question about liver protectors. I scooped up everything. I have liv-52, ala, and nac combined with milk thistle. Ive heard milk thistle does nothing really and that can inhibit gains too by inhibiting absorption of aas. Any truth to this, what would you recommend i take.
Ive really done my research and i want to make sure i am doing it as right as i can for an oral only cycle. I know its not ideal and i am listening to your advice. Hopefully after this cycle i can get the balls to do it right with some test, but as for now i want to do it as good as possible. I really appreciate your input.
Did anyone catch the whole “gyno from a hard night of drinking?” Please tell me I’m not the only one…
As stated before, NO. Missing 2 days on Dianabol and then picking it right back up again will not matter.
Why is it that I have trouble reading the paragraphs of the uninformed? When they’re fueled by emotion, fail to receive the thumbs up from the rest of the forum, and are flamed with a full salvo, do grammar and basic punctuation go out the window?
Yeah If genuinely eating 5-6000 calories just use the information on this site and at 6’2 you can naturally get up to 190, 200lbs even, in no time. Just do one of these…
Sorry grammar nazi, typing on a phone and dont proof read my t nation post. If you understand keyboard placement most competent people can put together what was meant.
As for the gyno after a night of drinking, yes i read a forum post where a guy said his gyno issue popped up overnight after heavy drinking. I know its just one case and his speculation, just wondering if there is any evidence behind alcohol inducing gyno issues.
Also no emotion from me on here, just trying to get some credible info, which only one or two have actually given. I understand and agree with all the advice about adding in t you dumb fuck. I said that a million times, you dumb juice heads just like to flame people because you are insecure about your tiny balls and brains. Go find something better to do then flame some guy for typos on a steroid forum.
Nah brah. You didn’t research anything before posting and wanted to be spoonfed information. Then you got angry when you realized you looked like a fool. Also, we answered your questions and yet you’re still unhappy.
Lol im not talking about everyone but i find it hilarious when all you guys say i have no idea what im doing. Ive done extensive research, have a background in medicine/pharmacology, and know more about pharmacokinetics/dynamics than most in here who cant even pronounce the shit they are injecting into their ass. Why am i on here asking questions then? Well becuase in school they didnt teach us a proper anabolic steroid cycle.
Ive known from the beginning that stacking with test will give me far far better results. Im not looking for validation. Im trying to work my way up to injecting and if i cycle again i most certainly will use a test base if my slippery pussy can get the balls to do it. Im just trying to get some decent advice as to how i can do this oral only cycle the best possible way, even if its a total shit cycle/waste of time.
All you fuckers regurgitate the same shit when probably none of you have ever done an oral only cycle. And yes for the millionth time, i know and am listening to you, adding test is the way to go, i want to add test but i cant do it yet. Im even planning on practicing with b12 injections or something just to get comfortable with pinning. But for now i am going to go a head and do this worthless cycle and will lose 150% of my gains and be worse off than before. id appreciate some real advice since all of you are apparently medical juicehead doctors who know everything about steroids and those who arent going to do your prescribed cycle know nothing at all.
O yeah i didnt research a damn thing, i just agreed with everything you guys are saying but im the dumb uninformed one, makes a lot of sense. I looked everywhere for hours about taking a few days off and found nothing. That was my one question. What else am i uninformed on? The other thing was about the ai while on cycle and like i said there is a lot of conflicting info on that. So what i do is read as much as i can on it, get as much advice as i can and listening to those who seem most credible and have somewhat of a consensus. Turns out you juicers arent all dr. zeigler like you think.
Yeah im the prick cause im the one insulting strangers for asking a question. You haven’t helped and im not looking for your help, if you dont have something to say about my direct question than dont answer. I was completly respectful until you and douchebag grammar nazi started talking shit. I hear the advice and like ive said a million fucking times i know i should take it with test, just because i wont do it doesnt mean im uninformed, your logic makes no sense. Yeah im a pussy cause i wont pin, you happy. I could also make a ton of money by scamming elderly people but thats not something im comfortable doing, just becuase i wont do somethiing im not comfortable with doesnt mean im uninformed. Not to say pinning is immoral like stealing from old people just trying to make the point that im not uninformed because i wont do something that i can benefit from if it makes me uncomfortable.
Im not looking for you guys to spoon feed me shit and im asking legitimate rather uncommon questions that are hard to find answers on. Im not looking for the go a head and for you to tell me this is an awesome cycle. I know its not and im not expecting to gain 20lbs of muscle. But its not impossible to have even tiny minimal gains, and for me to think thats possible doesnt make me uninformed. Plenty of people have been able to gain and keep 8-10lbs of muscle on this cycle, it has happened believe it or not and id be more than happy with even 6 lbs. And yes i realize if i added in test i could keep 20-25 lbs and that would be even better but o well im a pussy. I dont get what ive said that is so uninformed and idiotic, please tell me?
if you had the medical background you claim to have, you would have known several things that you’ve asked up about. For one thing, you would have already known why you should maintain proper estrogen levels in your body, regardless of outward symptoms. If you had ANY relevant background education, this would have been an easy question for you to answer for yourself. Understanding the problems associated with high estrogen in males is very basic. If I am to assume you’re telling the truth about your background, then it seems I must also assume that none of the knowledge you’ve acquired is remotely useful as far as steroid use is concerned. Everything you’ve asked is exactly what every other beginner asks, so you’re at the same point as they are.
You also mentioned that no one on here has likely done an oral only cycle. I did. And it sucks. A lot. I would NEVER recommend it to anyone. I know you were being sarcastic when you said you would lose 150 percent of your gains, but that’s what happened to me. 2 months after my cycle was over, I was weaker than when I started, because my system took a long time to recover, and during the recovery period I could not maintain strength the way I could before the cycle.
So I’m genuinely curious: What, exactly, do you hope to get out of injecting b12 for ‘practice’? I don’t understand your reasoning at all here. How do you benefit from that? You just seem like someone who isn’t mentally ready for steroids, honestly. And that makes me think this dbol cycle will be a poor decision. If you can’t handle test injections, you aren’t ready for dbol either.
Just consider what we’re saying man. Some of us are still being patient with you, but it’s hard to give someone good advice over and over, just to hear them say ‘I’m not interested in taking good advice, but I still want to ask questions and then do dumb stuff.’
Thank you flip i appreciate your reasonable non douchy semi respectful post. As for my educatiion i dont need to lie to strangers to inflate my ego, i have a background in neuroscience and some pharma/endocrinology education. But yes we never touched on anabolic steroids so you questioning my education is unfounded. Im well aware of the importance of estrogen but there are no peer reviewed journals i can go to to find pertinent info about how much dbol drops your e levels. So i have to go on what i read in these forums and like i said its quite difficult to get the right answer as there is so much conflicting info. Id say the vast majority say an ai is not necessary on dbol, especially since its such a short cycle, and only to use it if you have symptoms. i realize too that you can have elevated estrogen levels and still be asymptomatic. Only a few people say to take it throughout, but you and the others you say to take ut throughout seem nore knowledgeable. Still its hard to know who to believe.
I am absolutely a beginner when it comes to steroids but im not unknowledgeable on the science of them. Since i am a beginner thats why i come on here for advice and ive listened but it does no good when people just talk shit without helping, im not talking about you. I really woukd love to stack with rest but i have a irrational fear of needles, i fucking hate them. I avoided going to a doctor for 3 years just cause i didnt want to get my blood work done, then my doc to prescribed me a xanax just so i could get ut done. Its not the pain that bothers me just the needle. Had a bad exoerience as a kid, so yes its all mental.
I was ready to pin and then i kept doing more research and came across the whole hitting a vein thing which freaked me the fuck out, have the tren cough and feeling like your going to die. If that happened to me id have a panic attack and have a fucking heart attack. I know its rare to hit a vein and aspirating helps to make sure you arent in one but even if you aspirate and see no blood the needle can still move and hit a vein while youre injecting. Anyways if i practice with b 12 maybe i can get good enough with it to where im comfortable enough. No risk of problems hitting a vein with b12 becuase its water based and hitting a vein wont hurt you. Test is oil based and when oil gets into your veins its bad news and youll be coughing that shit up and feeling like you’re going to die.
I know im not mentally ready to inject, its irrational and stupid but its what it is. Thats why im gonna try to work my way up to doing it. I appreciate you being patient and respectful. I hear your advice and wish i could take it, im trying to get there. But i will be trying dbol only first and i want to do it the best way i can. When you did it, did you run a proper pct?
Dbol aromatizes, and it aromatizes to 17a estradiol. It aromatizes at a lower rate than testosterone does, but since it aromatizes to this particular form of estrogen, the effects are more pronounced. I strongly recommend a low dose of an AI, mostly because it’s SO DIFFICULT to reverse gyno if it happens. The non-visible side effects are not such an issue for such a short, low dose cycle, but that can happen within the first week, and you’re gonna be pissed if you get gyno from a dinky little 6 week oral only cycle.
Whether or not you run the AI, get bloodwork done mid cycle. If you’re not running the AI, you will want to know how much your estrogen went up for future reference. If you are running the AI, you will want to know if you’re dosing appropriately. Everybody responds to AI’s differently, particularly Adex. About 10 percent of people over-respond and crash their E2 with it.
People who are afraid of needles shouldn’t use steroids. And I assumed this was why you didn’t want to pin… and this is why I asked about the B12 shots. Why is that better? It’s still a shot. That confuses me.
It’s really hard to hit a vein. I never have. I aspirate every time, and haven’t drawn blood yet. Just use appropriate injection sites. And you won’t get tren cough if you don’t use tren.
I ran Nolvadex as my PCT for 4 weeks after my oral only cycle. I used epistane though, not dbol. Regardless, recovery process is the same. And mine sucked. I had pain, was lethargic, zero sex drive for weeks. It’s not fun when it goes wrong, man. And I didn’t do anything wrong with my pct either. Just doesn’t always work.
That enormous novel tells us you’re willing to risk taking a methylated substance that’s toxic to the liver to better your physique rather than use a needle. This is as much respect as I can muster: Do a search on the forums for “dbol only”, “Dianabol only”, “dbol pct” or any other search derivative you can think of. I found at least 7 threads with the information already present. Unless you were doing a documented experiment of some sort, why are we to take our time to assist you when we know this will not end in happiness?
I believe you’re hoping you’ll be the outlier and somehow maintain your gains with dianabol and that we “juiceheads” know nothing.
This is not a safe, smart, or successful route to go on and will put you right back where you started. It is not a step towards injecting. Skip this entire “step” and just research and practice injecting as your first step. You already know how to take a fucking pill, how is this a fucking step? Fuck the Dbol and save it for when you’re taking test.
It’s not even a long wait! Order your Test now, practice your B12 for a week or two and then just do the real thing with the Dbol!
Yeah I know and I plan on taking arimidex eod, do you think .25mg is a good dose or should I take .5mg? And do you recommend taking it all the way through the pct as well?
And yes crashing my E2 is something I worry about too thats why i was unsure about taking it and only doing it if needed. Its a delicate game to play anytime you are using an aas. But i agree i don’t want to chance getting gyro so I will be taking it throughout.
Injecting the b12 would be better practice because like I said nothing will happened if i do hit a vein. Tren cough is just the name given to this side effect of hitting the vein. Test is oil based like i said and when you get oil in your bloodstream in will be pushed out through your lungs and is very painful and scary. Like i said I psyched myself up to be able to jab that needle in my ass but then I read about the hitting the vein and it totally freaked me out. I know its a rare occurrence but you can be the best injector in the world and there is always a chance you could hit a vein.
You aspirate the syringe and see if it draws blood to determine whether you have hit a vein or not. Tren cough is caused by the drug itself. That’s why it’s called TREN cough.
This is very basic logic. I do not see how it eluded you. Perhaps you might want to reconsider the accuracy of other things you think you know.
Yeah we are all risking it by taking a hepatotoxic substance to better our physique. There is not a single healthy steroid cycle out there, all of them harm your body, some more or less. We are all risking that to look better/get stronger, I know orals are more liver toxic but I don’t plan on doing this long. I’m not making a lifestyle out of it, my goals are not the same as most of yours. I don’t want to look like I’m on steroids. And why do people risk drinking alcohol which is liver toxic just to get a buzz? I know dbol is bad for the liver but its toxicity is a little overblown, heavy drinkers do far more damage to their liver with alcohol alone. Im only going to be doing this for a short time and yeah maybe it won’t be worth the little to no gains I get.
I’ve literally searched ever dbol post on the internet, there is not a post I haven’t seen. I had a specific question that had not come up. And the question about ai is so confusing as there are a millions different opinions. Thats why I appreciate someone like flipcollar who seems to know what he is talking about and isn’t a complete dick.
Maybe I’ll be back her in 3 months telling you guys how right you were, and you can all flame me some more. Or maybe just maybe, I’ll keep some solid muscle, be happy and move forward doing it naturally. Or maybe i’ll get some balls pin!
Dumbass, you can still hit a vein when aspirating, its possible for the needle to move as you are injecting. I’ve read plenty of stories of people hitting a vein when aspirating, its very unlikely but definitely possible.
As for tren cough thats just the name for it because tren users experience it more often.
"Trenbolone Acetate is not the only one that causes Tren cough. Other Trenbolone variants (Trenbolone Enanthate and Parabolan) do not usually cause Tren cough though. Trenbolone Acetate is prepared differently from those other two, using more solvent to break bonds of the veterinary version in the homebrew Trenbolone. Some surmise that these solvents cause the coughing.
Speculation on the root cause of Tren cough runs rampant in the bodybuilding forums. Some dismiss the benzyl solvent explanation because they experience the cough with other steroids that don’t have the solvent. Others say that only Trenbolone, and only Trenbolone Acetate, causes the cough because they’ve never experienced it with any other steroid."
I don’t know what you want me to call the harsh cough you get from hitting a vein with test, you want me to call it test cough smart ass. Tren cough is the established term coined by the steroid community.
Any oil based steroid, including test, that enters the blood stream will be passed through the lungs and will be coughed out. Thats very basic knowledge, i do not see how it eluded your feeble brain. Perhaps you might want to consider you don’t know shit and try to not sound like an ignorant misinformed bitch who tries to call someone out on shit they don’t even know. Im well aware of the origins of TREN cough. But if i say micro-oil embolus dumb fucks like you would have their head explode. Trying to keep it simple for you Einstein.
Nice troll Brah, keep it up - dat’s sum funny shit. Are you typing with a straight face or is it too hard not to laugh when you get so far out in left field?