[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
I don’t think that anyone would allege I3G to be ineffective. [/quote]
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[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
I don’t think that anyone would allege I3G to be ineffective. [/quote]
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Fair enough, but I guess I would just say that my observations earlier are not related to that issue. I’m not trying to put words into MODOK’s mouth either. The primary reason I’m interested in his perspective is that he’s a pharmacist–i.e., he has a much deeper perspective on all of this supplement stuff than the rest of us do.
But anyway, the issues that I pointed to were my main concern–it seems fairly clear to me that I3G is highly effective; the question is how and how much faith is going into supplement producers in general.
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
I don’t think that anyone would allege I3G to be ineffective. [/quote]
Already happened:
Fair enough, but I guess I would just say that my observations earlier are not related to that issue.[/quote]
Of course it doesn’t relate to your earlier observations - that last statement of yours came afterwards…That second link was a direct response to your assertion that nobody has “alleged IG3 is ineffective”. They have. Same thing happened when the Anaconda protocol was released.
I assumed that to make such a remark you hadn’t seen anybody slating IG3, so I posted an example of someone who did. Why am I having to explain my explanations?
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
I don’t think that anyone would allege I3G to be ineffective. [/quote]
Already happened:
Fair enough, but I guess I would just say that my observations earlier are not related to that issue.[/quote]
Of course it doesn’t relate to your earlier observations - that last statement of yours came afterwards…That second link was a direct response to your assertion that nobody has “alleged IG3 is ineffective”. They have. Same thing happened when the Anaconda protocol was released.
I assumed that to make such a remark you hadn’t seen anybody slating IG3, so I posted an example of someone who did. Why am I having to explain my explanations?
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I thought that guy was just bitching about Biotest in general… I’m not sure he even used I3G.
I’m not “bitching about” Biotest; I just think that one interesting and rarely addressed topic is how comfortable we as consumers should be with the supplement industry in general (i.e., not just Biotest–I’m speaking more generally). I know it’s a topic that’s often discussed on, e.g., Iron Radio with Dr. Lowrey, but it doesn’t get much discussion here (likely for obvious reasons).
I3G is just an example of a “get great results” drug (or we can call it a supplement if you prefer) on the market, where the producer gives a biological explanation of what’s in it and how it works and then some of us take it. My initial post was just to ask someone like Stu or MODOK what their feeling is about potential long-term effects of taking these sort of supplements that are very new to the market when there hasn’t been very much oversight regarding their safety, as well as what their feeling is about the potential that what we might think is doing the work (i.e. what we are told is doing the work) isn’t really the whole story regarding the supplement.
So, to use a hyperbolic example, a supplement that promises big gains due to [insert partitioning theory/etc], only to have it turn out that there was some sort of low-concentration oral steroid or something like that doing some of the additional work; or as another alternative, taking whatever new supplement only to find a number of years down the road that it was carcinogenic/caused kidney or liver damage/whatever.
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
I’m not “bitching about” Biotest;[/quote]
not you, the guy who started the thread.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
I don’t think that anyone would allege I3G to be ineffective. [/quote]
Already happened:
Fair enough, but I guess I would just say that my observations earlier are not related to that issue.[/quote]
Of course it doesn’t relate to your earlier observations - that last statement of yours came afterwards…That second link was a direct response to your assertion that nobody has “alleged IG3 is ineffective”. They have. Same thing happened when the Anaconda protocol was released.
I assumed that to make such a remark you hadn’t seen anybody slating IG3, so I posted an example of someone who did. Why am I having to explain my explanations?
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I thought that guy was just bitching about Biotest in general… I’m not sure he even used I3G.[/quote]
He hadn’t, but he was clearly trying to infer that Indigo-3G was ineffective, anyway…
Opening paragraph:
"What happens when…
You have a large amount of faithful readers… which you give this extremely over priced supplement to claiming massive gains? But not only give them the supplement… strongly encourage them to record all their meals, workouts etc? Is it not bloody obvious that maybe its not the supplement doing the work, that perhaps thats what happens 95% of the time when someone begins recording their stuff? "
[quote]MODOK wrote:
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[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
I would be particularly interested in MODOK’s opinion on this if he sees this thread, as he’s a pharmacist. I know he’s still coming back to lifting now, but it is sort of interesting to me that he’s not one of the long-time posters who is pumping I3G.[/quote]
MODOK already gave his opinion on why he doesn’t use I3G in another thread. I’m pretty sure it was in his “MODOK, How Do You Train” thread.[/quote]
Honestly guy, I haven’t looked at the science much at all. I get the general theory behind it, but I haven’t dug any deeper. If the supplement is effective, it will become apparent through use.[/quote]
Fair enough. I just remembered the question coming up before, so I posted the link to the answer before someone took your decision not to take IG3 as an indication that it wasn’t effective (and would happen sooner or later with some of the anti- supp threads being started recently).
For me, that link was a pretty detailed explanation of why you don’t “pump IG3”. Didn’t intend to put words in your mouth. [/quote]
I didn’t mean to single you out by saying “guy”, I meant to type “guys”. You all have gotten my intellectual curiosity upa little about the compound thanks to your interesting questions about it. I will dig around in OVID over the next couple of days and see what I can come up with for us.
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It’s cool. I only posted that link because you said you were happy enough with your diet that you didn’t need to use it. That was in reference to his " why doesn’t MODOK pump IG3?" question and that question only.
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[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]MODOK wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
I would be particularly interested in MODOK’s opinion on this if he sees this thread, as he’s a pharmacist. I know he’s still coming back to lifting now, but it is sort of interesting to me that he’s not one of the long-time posters who is pumping I3G.[/quote]
MODOK already gave his opinion on why he doesn’t use I3G in another thread. I’m pretty sure it was in his “MODOK, How Do You Train” thread.[/quote]
Honestly guy, I haven’t looked at the science much at all. I get the general theory behind it, but I haven’t dug any deeper. If the supplement is effective, it will become apparent through use.[/quote]
Fair enough. I just remembered the question coming up before, so I posted the link to the answer before someone took your decision not to take IG3 as an indication that it wasn’t effective (and would happen sooner or later with some of the anti- supp threads being started recently).
For me, that link was a pretty detailed explanation of why you don’t “pump IG3”. Didn’t intend to put words in your mouth. [/quote]
I didn’t mean to single you out by saying “guy”, I meant to type “guys”. You all have gotten my intellectual curiosity upa little about the compound thanks to your interesting questions about it. I will dig around in OVID over the next couple of days and see what I can come up with for us.
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I will be very interested to hear the thoughts and what your research turns up.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
I don’t think that anyone would allege I3G to be ineffective. [/quote]
Already happened:
Fair enough, but I guess I would just say that my observations earlier are not related to that issue.[/quote]
Of course it doesn’t relate to your earlier observations - that last statement of yours came afterwards…That second link was a direct response to your assertion that nobody has “alleged IG3 is ineffective”. They have. Same thing happened when the Anaconda protocol was released.
I assumed that to make such a remark you hadn’t seen anybody slating IG3, so I posted an example of someone who did. Why am I having to explain my explanations?
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I thought that guy was just bitching about Biotest in general… I’m not sure he even used I3G.[/quote]
He hadn’t, but he was clearly trying to infer that Indigo-3G was ineffective, anyway…
Opening paragraph:
"What happens when…
You have a large amount of faithful readers… which you give this extremely over priced supplement to claiming massive gains? But not only give them the supplement… strongly encourage them to record all their meals, workouts etc? Is it not bloody obvious that maybe its not the supplement doing the work, that perhaps thats what happens 95% of the time when someone begins recording their stuff? "[/quote]
I know, that’s my point. His opinion is irrelevant on Indigo-3G as he hasn’t tried it. I just got back on Indigo-3G two days ago and am already noticing a leaner body, with fuller muscle bellies. Haven’t changed nutrition or lifting one bit.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
I don’t think that anyone would allege I3G to be ineffective. [/quote]
Already happened:
Fair enough, but I guess I would just say that my observations earlier are not related to that issue.[/quote]
Of course it doesn’t relate to your earlier observations - that last statement of yours came afterwards…That second link was a direct response to your assertion that nobody has “alleged IG3 is ineffective”. They have. Same thing happened when the Anaconda protocol was released.
I assumed that to make such a remark you hadn’t seen anybody slating IG3, so I posted an example of someone who did. Why am I having to explain my explanations?
[/quote]
I thought that guy was just bitching about Biotest in general… I’m not sure he even used I3G.[/quote]
He hadn’t, but he was clearly trying to infer that Indigo-3G was ineffective, anyway…
Opening paragraph:
"What happens when…
You have a large amount of faithful readers… which you give this extremely over priced supplement to claiming massive gains? But not only give them the supplement… strongly encourage them to record all their meals, workouts etc? Is it not bloody obvious that maybe its not the supplement doing the work, that perhaps thats what happens 95% of the time when someone begins recording their stuff? "[/quote]
I know, that’s my point. His opinion is irrelevant on Indigo-3G as he hasn’t tried it. I just got back on Indigo-3G two days ago and am already noticing a leaner body, with fuller muscle bellies. Haven’t changed nutrition or lifting one bit.[/quote]
Well he wasn’t bitching about Biotest supps in general to begin with. He started this thread targeting Indigo-3G, then started another one on ANACONDA shortly after I mentioned it in another thread. So yeah, he has no interest in it and he’s a troll. There’s no doubt that he hasn’t used it - he’s a level 0.
Edit: meant to say when I mentioned Anaconda in this thread…