Calorie Restriction and AAS

Pharma / TRT
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Hello everyone,

I have a question about diet while on AAS.

I am about 212 pounds at about 18-21%bodyfat.

Last time I cut, I went all natural, it took me about 16-18 weeks to get down to around 11-12% bodyfat, but I lost some muscle in the process.

I now find myself at the end of another bulk, I will be running Winstrol and Clenbuterol to assist in cutting. But I have never used AAS before so don’t know how I can tweak my diet.

My question relates to calories, how many calories under maintenance can I safely eat, without loosing muscle with AAS assistance, good training/cardio and a very good diet?

Any info from the vets who are experienced in cutting with AAS would be greatly appreciated.

NB: The question is not whether I should use AAS or what compounds I should use, I have done my research in that aspect.

Thank-you.

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I’m not smart enough to tell you exactly how many calories are safe enough to eat. AAS will help you spare muscle when cutting though. I would also add that at your weight, unless you are somewhat short, you are not ready for AAS.

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I am about 5 ft 7.5 inches.

Please refer to first post, question was not whether I am ready for AAS, what compounds to use etc.

Thank-you anyway.

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I read the first post, comprehended it, and decided I didn’t really care what you wanted. You’re welcome.

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What does the man’s weight have to do with whether or not he’s ready to take steroids?

I am 5-9 and have squatted 600 (yes deep) at a weight of 235 without steroids and then over time dropped down to 185 while still working out. I worked back up to around 200 and then decided to do some light cycles and have since worked up to 220 fairly lean pounds.

Was I too light for steroids at 200? I know a friend who has been training for several years at 165 and used a light cycle to go to 175 while staying extremely lean. So this notion of being too light for steroids is not valid. Obviously there are those out there at a buck fifty soaking wet and don’t even know where to find the squat rack, however anyone who has been working out long enough - with compound lifts that is - can benefit from steroids when used wisely.

Certainly, if someone is around 200 pounds that should not be the first thing to cause anyone to question his readiness for steroids.

Not everyone has their eye on being 250 and ripped.

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His weight is relevant to the fact that, at ~20% bodyfat, he does not have a very solid foundation for AAS, meaning he should be lifting naturally more. Because it is the collective opinion of most people (sans the newbs) on this forum that one should not begin using AAS until said person has spent a great time training naturally (as to better understand their potentials, weaknesses, and gather all-around knowledge).

Nobody gives a shit if you think that it’s okay because not everyone wants to ge huge and cut. He knows nothing about AAS, its uses, effects, advantages, disadvantages, side-effects and I’m willing to bet he wouldn’t know Trenbolone from a ham sandwich.

You’re ultimately trying to justify that it’s A-OK for weak people to start using AAS as a salvation for their lack of dedication and thirst for knowledge.

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[quote]Contrl wrote:
His weight is relevant to the fact that, at ~20% bodyfat, he does not have a very solid foundation for AAS, meaning he should be lifting naturally more. Because it is the collective opinion of most people (sans the newbs) on this forum that one should not begin using AAS until said person has spent a great time training naturally (as to better understand their potentials, weaknesses, and gather all-around knowledge).

Nobody gives a shit if you think that it’s okay because not everyone wants to ge huge and cut. He knows nothing about AAS, its uses, effects, advantages, disadvantages, side-effects and I’m willing to bet he wouldn’t know Trenbolone from a ham sandwich.

You’re ultimately trying to justify that it’s A-OK for weak people to start using AAS as a salvation for their lack of dedication and thirst for knowledge.[/quote]

Contrl you’re my hero.

Seriously.

=)

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[quote]Contrl wrote:
His weight is relevant to the fact that, at ~20% bodyfat, he does not have a very solid foundation for AAS, meaning he should be lifting naturally more. Because it is the collective opinion of most people (sans the newbs) on this forum that one should not begin using AAS until said person has spent a great time training naturally (as to better understand their potentials, weaknesses, and gather all-around knowledge).

Nobody gives a shit if you think that it’s okay because not everyone wants to ge huge and cut. He knows nothing about AAS, its uses, effects, advantages, disadvantages, side-effects and I’m willing to bet he wouldn’t know Trenbolone from a ham sandwich.

You’re ultimately trying to justify that it’s A-OK for weak people to start using AAS as a salvation for their lack of dedication and thirst for knowledge.[/quote]

Hmmm, a few assumptions there.

I know a lot about AAS uses, effects etc.
I know about Tren, however, I can’t source some.

Weak people? I’m not weak you clown.
275lb Bench.
418lb Squat.
485lb Deadlift.
From 2 years training.

I DO NOT lack dedication. So get off your high horse, you DON’T EVEN KNOW ME.

I just wanted information ABOUT DIET from EXPERIENCED users who have USED AAS WHILE CUTTING.

I know how AAS work, I know the sides, I just want to ACCELERATE my progress.

So please, back on topic, is there anyone that can help with my questions relating to diet, without being critical?

Thanks.

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OK OK GUYS…

Personally I ran my last cycle (2006) consisting of tes prop and winstrol. It was basically with the focus on just cutting. IMO the diet will play 60% or more of what your goals will be. However add test since 1. its cheap enough and 2 will keep your muscle mass better than any other compound.

Remember to eat extremely clean and good amounts. chicken breast without skin, boiled rice, fish without skin and protein shakes in water. Add cardio to the mix while keeping your poundages heavy. However don’t go nuts and try to PR all your way down to 5%bf or you will have an injury. Been there, done that. Not a good thing if you get fucking injured and then have to take time off from the gym you will loose a lot of mass.

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Thanks for the input.

The problem is, my soure can’t get Test Prop either atm. All he got me was Winny and Clen.(Although he HAS promised that he will get my some Test E/Test C and Dbols for a future bulk.)

Thanks for the advice on diet, my diet will be very clean, with a higher than normal water intake. Roughly how man calories under maintenance were you running?

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[quote]WIP wrote:
Hmmm, a few assumptions there.

I know a lot about AAS uses, effects etc.
I know about Tren, however, I can’t source some.
[/quote]
Obviously we both have a very different standard about what “a lot” is.

I stand corrected, you’re not completely weak. You’re just partially weak, and excessively cocky about it.

It’s because I don’t that it makes it so easy to realize you know little about AAS.

[quote]
I just wanted information ABOUT DIET from EXPERIENCED users who have USED AAS WHILE CUTTING.

I know how AAS work, I know the sides, I just want to ACCELERATE my progress.

So please, back on topic, is there anyone that can help with my questions relating to diet, without being critical?

Thanks.[/quote]

Do more RESEARCH and stop CRYING about what PEOPLE do and DON’T do FOR you as FAVORS. And PLEASE stop ALTERNATING your CAPS lock.

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[quote]Contrl wrote:
WIP wrote:
Hmmm, a few assumptions there.

I know a lot about AAS uses, effects etc.
I know about Tren, however, I can’t source some.

Obviously we both have a very different standard about what “a lot” is.

Weak people? I’m not weak you clown.
275lb Bench.
418lb Squat.
485lb Deadlift.
From 2 years training.

I stand corrected, you’re not completely weak. You’re just partially weak, and excessively cocky about it.

I DO NOT lack dedication. So get off your high horse, you DON’T EVEN KNOW ME.

It’s because I don’t that it makes it so easy to realize you know little about AAS.

I just wanted information ABOUT DIET from EXPERIENCED users who have USED AAS WHILE CUTTING.

I know how AAS work, I know the sides, I just want to ACCELERATE my progress.

So please, back on topic, is there anyone that can help with my questions relating to diet, without being critical?

Thanks.

Do more RESEARCH and stop CRYING about what PEOPLE do and DON’T do FOR you as FAVORS. And PLEASE stop ALTERNATING your CAPS lock.[/quote]

lol.
I can tell we’re going to be the bestest friends.

Look seriously, I know about AAS, i just don’t have access to the ideal compounds, I know Winstrol is pretty hopeless, its bad for your joints, lipid profile and in some cases hair loss, it has small weight gains and medium-high strength gains.

I know that ideally Clen/T3 would be the way to go, I can’t get it.

I know throwing Test in their would work wonders, I can’t get it (at the moment anyways.)

Sorry for having offended you.

Research has not been able to tell me how to go about diet while on AAS…I just want to see how many calories below maintenance I can get away with. I thought some guys on here would have some experience dieting and using Winstrol and Clen.

Thanks.

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[quote]WIP wrote:
Thanks for the input.

The problem is, my soure can’t get Test Prop either atm. All he got me was Winny and Clen.(Although he HAS promised that he will get my some Test E/Test C and Dbols for a future bulk.)

Thanks for the advice on diet, my diet will be very clean, with a higher than normal water intake. Roughly how man calories under maintenance were you running?

[/quote]

Hmm that is a question that will get you a lot of answers and maybe get flamed for around here. Go first months with normal eating and add the cardio. If you are keeping all the meals clean plus the addition of cardio you will see the fat loss. Keep it in check with calipers. When its stops its time to lower the carbs by 50grams per day. If that doesn’t work lower them by 100g. If you feel hungry eat more protein. If you start loosing muscle mass, eat more protein. Watch your fat intake like a hawk.

Honestly, and don’t take this as an offense, if you don’t take test, things will get pretty ugly with your joints.

I am warning you!

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OH yeah I know.
Winny + Joints= Ouch.

Thanks for the advise.
I’ll just play around with my diet.

Will start a log with pics as well.
Just to show I am really dedicated.

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Contrl,

I did not say you were completely wrong - it’s just you seem to suggest a one size fits all for being ready for steroids when it comes to ht/wt/body fat. I agree that WIP appears to have very little working knowledge of diet and steroids (although if he is telling the truth about his squat and deadlift numbers he is doing something right) but I think you are a little off base with your weight check. That does not mean you are necessarily wrong on this one.

I think some guys carry too much fat not because they don’t know what to do but because they can’t deal with the strength losses that occur when dieting without assistance. You can be completely dedicated and anal about your diet and it is still extemely difficult for the average person to lose significant amounts of fat while retaining muscle and strength. One will typically not move near as much weight after going from 220 and 20% to 200 and 10% when it is done completely natural.

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Instead of waiting for someone to spoon feed you the information, why don’t you go out and make yourself the guinea pig. Start off with 10x your bodyweight in calories. Weigh yourself once a week and also measure your waist. Next weigh in, if you haven’t lost weight, nor size around the waist, drop the calories by 500. Pretty common sense really, with or without the help of AAS.

Jovi

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[quote]bald eagle wrote:
Contrl,

I did not say you were completely wrong - it’s just you seem to suggest a one size fits all for being ready for steroids when it comes to ht/wt/body fat. I agree that WIP appears to have very little working knowledge of diet and steroids (although if he is telling the truth about his squat and deadlift numbers he is doing something right) but I think you are a little off base with your weight check. That does not mean you are necessarily wrong on this one.

I think some guys carry too much fat not because they don’t know what to do but because they can’t deal with the strength losses that occur when dieting without assistance. You can be completely dedicated and anal about your diet and it is still extemely difficult for the average person to lose significant amounts of fat while retaining muscle and strength. One will typically not move near as much weight after going from 220 and 20% to 200 and 10% when it is done completely natural.

[/quote]

Exactly my point.
I can’t stand loss of strength.
Last time round, my deadlift/squat and benchpress poundages became a joke. It was frustrating.

To be honest, my bodyfat is probably 18%. I have some definition, but am by no means cut. But for my height, I am pretty solid, I’m only short to average height. Arms are around 17.5" and legs are around 26". So I’m not exactly small (not big either.) I feel I am ready for AAS.

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[quote]ZZZ747 wrote:
Instead of waiting for someone to spoon feed you the information, why don’t you go out and make yourself the guinea pig. Start off with 10x your bodyweight in calories. Weigh yourself once a week and also measure your waist. Next weigh in, if you haven’t lost weight, nor size around the waist, drop the calories by 500. Pretty common sense really, with or without the help of AAS.

Jovi[/quote]

Jovi,

This is a good approach.

I’m not asking to be spoon fed, just asking for other peoples experiences. I have never cycled before and know many people who have started at a lot lower base than almost 215lbs. Heck I know people who have downed Drols/DBols just for fun, to see what happens. They put on a bit of weight, loose it in 2 weeks.

I’m not like that. I don’t want to experiment (with AAS.)

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From what I understood you needed help on the diet. What I wrote up is for anyone, on or off AAS. Only difference being is that while on, you might be able to drop calories a lot more and preserve muscle compared to when off.

I never said to experiment with AAS, I said experiment with your calorie intake. There is no 1 size fits all answer, what might work for me and make me drop a few kgs, might not work as well, or not at all for you.

Experiment with calories, not with AAS (leave that for Bushy :slight_smile: )

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[quote]ZZZ747 wrote:
From what I understood you needed help on the diet. What I wrote up is for anyone, on or off AAS. Only difference being is that while on, you might be able to drop calories a lot more and preserve muscle compared to when off.
I never said to experiment with AAS, I said experiment with your calorie intake. There is no 1 size fits all answer, what might work for me and make me drop a few kgs, might not work as well, or not at all for you.

Experiment with calories, not with AAS (leave that for Bushy :slight_smile: )[/quote]

Sorry I thought you meant experiment with AAS.
I’m blind.

The advice is actually good, I’ll try that.

Thanks.