3rd Cycle Using the Tri-Fecta

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What do you think of this next cycle? This is my third cycle and my goals are to gain as much mass as humanly possible because I would like to compete within the next year or so. I am 26yrs old 5’ 6 193lbs at 10%BF. My diet is extremely clean.
Meal 1: 6 eggs, 3 slices of ezekiel bread

Meal 2: 8oz chicken breast, 6oz sweet potato

Meal 3: 8oz chicken breast, 1 cup of cauliflower

Meal 4: Dymatize protein shake, Waxi-Maize (prewokout)

Meal 5: 8oz chicken breast, 1 cup of mixed broccoli,collard greens (post workout)

Meal 6: Casein shake with 2tblsp of peanut butter
The calories around around 2950, 60g of fat,145g of carbs, 380g of protein.This is my cutting diet though, I plan on upping the carbs to around 250 on my bulk and leave the rest the same. Ok now for the AAS portion:

Weeks 1-10: 250mg of Deca
Weeks 1-12: 500mg of Test Cyp
Weeks 1-5: 40mg of DBols ed
Throughout will be taking Arimidex eod at .25 and pct is going to be a test taper.
Does this all look good to build some quality mass?

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Bushy- I hear you on adding a lot more than the 400cal but how should I take in lets say the extra 1000cal I should be taking in? I think my protein is in check and my fats already look a little on the high side(my opinion)?

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I’m just going by the fact that I’m taking in 60g of fat as is with the cutting diet. If I brought that up to 100g and the carbs up as well you think that would do? To my calculations that would add an additional 800cal a day with the added 100g carbs.

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Why don’t you use a trial and error approach? Keep adding in increments until body comp is adversly affected. With the high octane cycle you are planning, you should have great training drive and intense, satisfying workouts. That will burn a lot of calories and build a lot of muscle. IMO, the additional intake will be put to good use and even fuel more energy and growth.

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I am going to take Dynamo’s advice and add calories until I find that I am gaining. The purpose of this thread is to see if the AAS side is ok? But my diet obviously needs a little help first. Now I think I am going to carry natty pb with me all day when i’m on with some ezekiel bread in between meals.

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Try natty almond butter too. It’s delicious.

Gaining is good. Excessive flab is not. It’s all about body comp. I’m sure that’s what you meant.

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Yeah I should of said that in the OP. I want as much mass without going above roughly 15%BF

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How does the AAS look?

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I defer to the veterans on the AAS selection as I have only done one 11 week cycle of test e with a dbol kickstart. I also used Proviron throughout and hCG as well as Adex. I am now in my last week of 4 stasis weeks of 100mg/w and will start tapering 80/60/50/40/30/20 mg per week thereafter as PCT.

I will say that deca could complicate post cycle recovery, but I personally am very attracted to its synergy with test to boost drive and intensity. A test taper would probably be advisable for PCT to deal best with the Deca impact. I loved dbol and think it will be a great addition. I would frontload the test cyp to get blood levels up immediately as cyp can take a long time. The front load for test cyp would be 570mg + the amount you intend to inject at each interval. That is based on your selected weekly quantity of 500mg and an 8 day half-life for test cyp. So if you plan on inhecting 250mg 2X/W; your frontload injection would be 820mg to bring your blood levels up immediatley to the 500/w week level you would have attained after 6 weeks or so. The calculation is:

(weekly amount x half-life / 7) + intended interval injection

In your case: (500mg x 8 / 7) + 250mg = 820mg

So 820mg for you first test cyp injection and then 250mg one half week later and continuously thereafter.

Double check with a vet on the frontload calc. I got it from a Bill Roberts post and plugged in your numbers.

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[quote]BUSHMASTER wrote:
How does the AAS look?
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The Deca looks a little low to me. It’s been said and I’ve found the 2mg/lb is a very true sweet spot. I’ve pushed it as high as 600mg/week but found the sides starting to kick in.

You may want to front load the Test rather than use the dbol but that’s up to you.

PS: I hope you have used Deca before. If not just be ready for a hard crash. It may not happen to you but just be ready.

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muscle I have used deca before and thats why i am running it so low and running test for an extra 2 weeks after the deca. Deca shut me down bad last time even with a test taper when I was doing 500test e and 400 deca a week. I am trying to keep the test/deca ratio to 2:1

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[quote]BUSHMASTER wrote:
muscle I have used deca before and thats why i am running it so low and running test for an extra 2 weeks after the deca. Deca shut me down bad last time even with a test taper when I was doing 500test e and 400 deca a week. I am trying to keep the test/deca ratio to 2:1[/quote]

Is Primo and option?

Test E @ 500mg/week
Primo Depot @ 400mg/week

That was my first cycle. I had to stay lean for my job and was able to stay pretty lean throughout.

Any reason you want to stick with Deca? I know a was infatuated with doing it, loved it even more while I was on it and HATED IT a few weeks after I was off it.

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Have you considered EQ (boldenone)? I do not use deca for the fact that it shuts down the body so bad after concluding it. EQ is simular in results to deca. I have run Test/EQ cycles with a dbol kickstart many times and will continue. EQ does have to be kicked out of the cycle earlier due to its 21 day half life, but rocovery is the same as test with me.

Also, the doeses can be higher, I like to run 600mg/wk of Test along with 450mg/wk of EQ, with great gains, and normal recovery time after a 12 week blast.

Also a note on dbol, I wouldn’t recommend anything higher than 30mg/day, and not lasting more than 4 weeks. I know I am conservative, but to each their own.

Goodluck

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I have to echo what Busy stated about diet and Kcalorie intake.

Consider a few things, first steroids will favourably affect rates of muscle protein synthesis and insulin sensitivity. Second, consider that during your cycle you will train harder, with more motivation, with greater volume (most likely) and make some good gains. The increase in training stressor will create obviously higher levels of muscle damage, metabolic waste, CNS & neurotransmitter fatigue etc, and necessitate greater recovery, due to greater disruption of homeostasis.

We all know that steroids greatly improve recovery capacity, but your recovery capacity will only be as effective as the raw materials you provide it. Yes it takes energy to perform exercise, but a fact that seems lost on some people is that it takes energy to recover from exercise too, especially when that exercise has been so disruptive.

Consider also that any muscle and water you gain througout your cycle will also increase your bodymass, meaning that you will expend more energy just existing, let alone during training and recovery, then increasing kcalories is essential.

A 400 Kcal increase from your dieting total probably would bring you to energy balance while natural, depending on your metabolims and activity rates. Muscle gain is a very energy costly activity, even when not using AAS, consider then that an 800kcal increase from your dieting intake will probably give you something like a 400kcal surplus, which would only be so until your metabolism and weight adjusts, then you can see that this wouldnt optimize your cycle.

Consider the analogy that your body is essentialluy a furnace, then AAS etc, increase the rate at which it burns.

You will need to increase your carbs and fat to reach energy demands. Simply start by increasing peri workout carbohydrate consumption and then add good fat sources to your other meals.

Titrating nutrient intake is a great idea, however, I think that you should start your cycle once you have finished dieting and have resumed a more energy dense diet.

And eventually look to eat till you feel almost slightly nauseous :slight_smile:

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Muscle- I am using deca because I can definitely use a break on the joint pain.

Dave- I understand where you and Bushy are coming from and your right. So I will increase my calories right up to 4k a week until I see my weight plateauing (if thats a word) then I’ll up it again another 250cal every time it plateau’s. Does that sound about right.

The reason I chose test cyp is because its the only test I had access too at the time. I do like running Deca because of my shoulder pain. Its the only thing that makes it go way for a long period of time. Last time I ran deca it made my shoulder pain go away permanently until I reaggravated it at a party this year wrestling someone. (I’m dumb). I will be frontloading the first week with 1000mg of cyp.

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" Dave- I understand where you and Bushy are coming from and your right. So I will increase my calories right up to 4k a week until I see my weight plateauing (if thats a word) then I’ll up it again another 250cal every time it plateau’s. Does that sound about right".

Yeah that sounds pretty good to me. The thing with steroids that we all know is that they greatly increase protein synthesis, as stated, but people also seem to forget that they will improve your ability to handle other nutrients too. You will be doing yourself a huge favour by increasing Kcals. Map yourself out a base plan and then tweak as necessary.

Remember the more muscle you have at the the end of your mass gaining phase, the easier it will be for you to cut down in the future.

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[quote]jukebox wrote:
Have you considered EQ (boldenone)? I do not use deca for the fact that it shuts down the body so bad after concluding it. EQ is simular in results to deca.

Goodluck[/quote]

This is flatout not true.
Gains from nandrolone are much greater than gains from boldenone.