Calling All Trainers/Fitness Professionals!

Hello everyone,

I’ve just began my first day as a personal trainer today. I am ISSA certified, but, more importantly, I’ve researched hundreds and hundreds of hours on my own time on this site, ElitFTS, etc learning new things and trying to become as smart about training and anything involving the human body as I can be.

It’s worked. Very well. I’ve trained likeminded friends succssfully. I’ve done wonders with my own body, including rehabbing based on knowledge/feel an injury to myself that should’ve required surgery. I’m not Poliquin, I’m not Berardi, I’m not Waterbury, but I feel I’ve learned more than enough to council most on the subjects of training, and especially, nutrition.

However, I ran into a few problems today, and quite frankly, this is my home. I figured there couldn’t be a better place to ask the questions and voice the concerns I have than right here. So, any help would be appreciated.

I trained 3 people today. 2 women, 1 man. 1st woman is a lil milf lady, in her early 50’s, very good shape for her age, looks 15 years younger than she is. Other are a couple actually, ovrweight lady and a man, not in bad shape, but he has only done machine training for a few months, and needs to up his strength levels. She’s a total newbie. Today was her 2nd workout ever.

The gym in and of itself is not hardcore. In fact, it’s not called a gym even, it’s a ‘personal training studio’. However, the only 5 things we’re missing are chains, a glute/ham raise, a reverse hyper, dumbbells that go over 120 lbs, and a ‘keep your fucking hands off the board sign’ lol. Everything needed for a great workout is there and is allowed. I deadlift all the time there, and it’s fine.

Here-s what I’ve noticed about these clients though- all of them want full body, 3x per week workouts. Shouldn’t be a problem for the older lady, who has trained for quite a few years. However, she was very machine oriented (genetics DO play a role, lol. This lady has one of THE nicest asses I’ve ever seen). I don’t do machines. Well, a few, the good few, but otherwise I’m very free weight, compound oriented.

And so, that’s what they all did. As Rchard Pryor said, “Hey Holmes, go wit whatcha know…” They got some ab work in at the end, and did 6 compound exercises. Vertical pull and push, quad dom/hip dom legs and horizontal push and pull. I was new to all of them, and I needed to know where they were all at strength wise, so we did 3 sets of 15 reps for all exercises.

I talked with all of them a lot during, trying to educate them as much as possible in between sets. Especially on how compound free weights will not ‘bulk’ a girl up. The usual shit. I have new appointments with them all. They all enjoyed their workouts I believe, as I didn’t push anything on them. All 3 asked for their next sessions, I didn’t ask them once. Very good sign in this shady business where most trainers have to push things on people and act liked shady used car salesmen.

However, here are my major problems. I want to do what they want. Even if they refuse free weights and need their machines. Fine. However, none did. They all worked their asses off (especially the 2 newbies…go figure) I also don’t believe total boy is the way to go for a newbie. I’d rather do a 3 or 4 day split for the new ones (which I’m seeing is who I’m going to be dealing with the most, by far).

Full body, compound, 3x a week I think is too much for new trainees. I believe in going up in frequency the more advanced a trainee becomes. How do I tell them this and not lose clients? Right now, they need something like the Beginners Blast Off program. Each muscle group once per week to learn the exercises/recover would do them very well.

B) Business end…The place I work, we aren’t payed by the hour. We’re 1099’ed and we can do/charge, more or less (there’s a high and low end for a session) whatever we want. For instance, 1 session is $50. However, the owner suggested we offer special, like 3 sessions for $100, etc. That’s fine, and it’s in the ritzy part of town (the part I don’t live in, lol) so these people can afford these things.

Here’s my issue. I don’t want ‘sessions’. I’m very seriously considering offering 3 to 6 week specials, because that’s what my (and I’m sure most of your) training blocks run in. I know some of these people just want someone to dote on them and count reps, but that ain’t me. If you hire me, you’re going to get results, because I’m going to be as pissed as you if you don’t.

Results don’t come in ‘1 session’ or ‘3 sessions’. They come in training programs and training blocks. What do I do here? Not give a fuck and just sell 1 wokout a time to people who dont know better, or hold my standars high, take less clients and hope for the best? I’m leaning towards the latter, heavily…

Thanks for listening. Please help…

Kubo

I got about halfway through, but i think i got the jist of the question.

Basically, if you’re trying to make some money, and they know what they want to do… just give them what they want. It’s something they’re comfortable with while you develop a client relationship.

After you build trust, then they will follow what you tell them to do to get results. Don’t force a view on anyone, regardless of whether or not it’s deemed more “correct” by whatever arbitrary standards.

Keep them safe, build trust, impart knowledge… then if everything goes well, do what you feel would be best for them.

Hey bro,
Congrats on the certification and the job.

[quote]MikeKubo wrote:
I’ve trained likeminded friends succssfully.[/quote]
First thing, contact six or eight people you’ve trained and get a few sentences from each about their experiences with you, the results they saw, your personality, how professional you are, whatever. Testimonials, testimonials, testimonials. Type them up, print them out, bind them semi-nicely, and use them as marketing/promo material.

Sounds like you’re talking about your own personal philosophy. That’s fine, and we don’t need to debate why/why not you should/shouldn’t use any particular method. You’re their trainer, and you have your own way of doing things. If they hired Paul Chek, he’d have his way of doing things, as would Eric Cressey, or Nate Green, or me, whoever.

Clients should be telling you the results they want, not how to train them. You need to impress upon them that you get amazing results training people your way. This is where those testimonials above come in perfectly handy.

You trained all these people, and many other using your own methods and strategies, and they work. You want to give these clients that same level of results, and you know how to do it, they just need to trust you. This is a plus for you, because they obviously do trust you and enjoy working with you.

I’d stress to them that you know how to get tremendous results doing things your way, and they need to let you work your magic if they want to reach their goals.

Dude, Buy 2, get 1 free wouldn’t be fine with me. That’s nuts. Discounts are a tricky thing. Right now, I only offer a reduced rate when training groups (two or more, up to five per session). Otherwise it’s a straight-up hourly fee. I’d say figure out how much you want to make (yearly) and work backwards from there (down to an hourly rate).

Alwyn Cosgrove had some great blog posts about this, specifically Oct. 23rd and 25th:
http://alwyncosgrove.blogspot.com/2006_10_01_archive.html
(P.S. - Alwyn’s blog would make excellent regular reading. He updates it just about every weekday.)

You know what? That last sentence is exactly the attitude you need to take with respect to your first question, about training full body.

Pardon my French, but abso-fucking-lutely Option 2. The first option is only for non-professional shysters. It’s a disrespect to true Fitness Professionals and it’s what perpetuates the sterotype of the used car salesman-as-trainer.

Bro, there were a few threads around that might be interesting for you to review. One was the “Aspiring Gurus” thread:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1240514

And another was “Trainers Talking Shop.”:
http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1214749

Best of luck, man. Keep us in the loop as to how this turns out. If you need anything else, definitely post it up, PM me, or whatever.