your definition of a higher species than human is a species that doesn’t act selfish?
That’s a pretty narrow view of ordering species… but ok.
Have you heard of lemmings? Lemmings are odd little creatures that voluntarily walk right off the edges of cliffs, plunging to their deaths. I can’t think of anything less selfish than that. Perhaps the lemming is the highest form of species. Something to think about.
Another thing to consider: have you ever really researched what the effect would be if literally every human being decided to be vegan? Are you aware of the amount of farmland that would be necessary for this to work, given our population? You would have to clear an enormous amount of natural wild life, kill millions of animals, in the process for this to be accomplished. But I guess that’s fine with you, as long as we don’t eat the animals, right? We can just kill them to make room for more corn.
Your understanding of the world lacks nuance. You latch onto very simple ideas that seem nice to you, and you lack the intelligence necessary to fully understand the broader implications of those ideas.
In other words, you are not nearly as smart as you think you are.
oh my mistake. ‘conditioning’ and ‘off-topic’ are words that kinda look the same, and I often get them confused. Probably some sort of cognitive dissonance on my end. If I was a higher species, I would not have made that mistake.
Then the word selfish was the wrong word.
I mean if they kill themself so they don’t have too many lemmings, this might be a smart decision in their current life, without alternatives. IF too many, they would starve to death.
I have read that you can easily change the ground so that you can atleast grow some plants, not all, but some. Just need tax money for this. Which we would have bcs. animal products won’t be subsidised anymore.
And don’t forget that plants need much less room and ressources than cattle. And you get much more protein per m² of plants. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_protein_per_unit_area_of_land
This mean the last animals could be killed and eaten by humans etc. As usual. And after this point, animal agriculture would be a luxury even for america and europe. Like smoking cigarettes.
And remember, you strong people all LOOOVE eating. So eating kgs of plants would make you veeerrry happy. UNICORN! No, it wouldn’t be kgs. Just kidding. But you would eat much more healthy stuff. I am here to help you all. Even if you don’t wanna be helped by a stupid normalo creepy kid.
do you have any clue how much government money is currently being poured into corn subsidies already? just curious.
And are GMO’s problematic to you? If you are, that adds even more problems to the equation.
Also, out of curiosity… what should we do with all the cattle/chicken/ranches across the country that exist right now, if we all go vegan? Do you stop taking care of the animals? Do you kill them? Do you let them live but eliminate procreation? What’s your solution?
and finally: using a 1 page wikipedia reference and a reddit link as your sourcing is not particularly credible. If you’re a smart dude, you know that already. I assume you have better resources that you have read than this. As a higher species, you’re probably reading primary sources research papers, theses, and books just about every day on subjects of interest. What are some books you’ve read recently that really grabbed your attention? What research databases are you subscribed to? I assume you’re not reading just abstracts and interpretations of research. You’re going to that hard-hitting, raw data and interpreting for yourself, right?
Don’t forget your Friend, Patrik Baboumian. Vegan, strongest guy currently.
Subsidies, probably a lot. But is the corn mainly for cattle or for humans?
I know nothing about GMO.
The last ones could be killed and sold as usual. Some can be sold to privat people as pets etc. So to say, the final line. After this animal products would become very expensive. Which is good. So only healthy happy animals would be there. I don’t want that animal conumption is forbidden. Neither I want cannabis to be forbidden.
This is really not a difficult question. That’s the easiest one.
Reddit says 99% of fertiler is not from animal poop. Is this not true?
And no, I am not educated into reading science. Why would I waste my time with this? Others do it for me.
I don’t know which of these thousand studies you wanna see… If you are interested into this then you should inform yourself about this.
How inefficient would it be if I show you everything, then you show me anti-vegan studies and so on… That looks just like a war.
Probably the best study regarding plant-based diet?
The results? They generally live longer, healthier lives with a reduced risk of some of the deadliest cancers and lifestyle-related diseases, even when other lifestyle factors besides a whole-foods plant-based diet are controlled for.
Actually, I’m here because I’m a language nerd. I love reading his posts because he’s simply translating the German sentence structure into English word for word - that’s why his posts sound so stilted and weird. Correction - one of the reasons his posts sound so weird.
Although, when I translate his posts back into German in my mind he sounds 15, which probably explains this thread.
Mutti und Vati are working long hours and he needs attention.
well, that would be how a person learns. If you choose to only read things that support the idea you already believe, you haven’t actually educated yourself. You’ve just cherry picked that which reinforces the position you’ve already chosen. What you’ve described above is considered by most people to be healthy intellectual discussion, or debate. You present an argument, you present the facts and evidence that you believe support your argument, and then the person you’re talking to presents a counter-argument supported by their own evidence. The fact that you call this ‘a war’ tells me you are scared of real debate and/or conflict in a general level. Scientific discourse happens this way every day amongst serious people who have an interest in learning the truth about the world.
The problem is, all of this requires an open mind, and that is lacking on your end. You have to be more interested in getting it right than simply being right. Smart, rigorous, intellectually honest people do this. You are none of these things. You’re too lazy to do… well, almost anything, based on how this thread has gone. What is your job, btw? What do you do to fill your days?
I haven’t read all your links yet, but I opened the most credible one, the OUP academic link. I can tell you straight away that is does not support your argument. The last sentence of the abstract actually says the opposite of what you would like it to: ‘vegetarians are healthier than nonvegetarians but this CANNOT be ascribed only to the absence of meat.’ That’s a problem for your argument, isn’t it?
I have no intention of reading your tree hugger article. I’m not interested in agenda-based resources.
I am here to help you all. Even if you don’t wanna be helped by a stupid normalo creepy kid.
