BW Question for Those in 275, 308 Classes

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This thread has become an absolute vs relative strength argument which was not my original intention. I’m not a bodyweight guy, but a powerlifter (or at least i will be after my first comp on 28th Nov, even if my expected total is only 1100lb). I’d like to be able to dips, and am curious about other bodyweight exercises however. What I really want to know is this:

I posted a thread ‘can anyone here do handstand push ups’.

I wanted to get an idea of how much I would have to weigh and how strong I would need to be do one.

Based off people’s bench numbers (although military would be a much better measure) my bodyweight would need to be 50-64% of my bench in order to do a handstand pushup. At 280bw I would need a 440-500+ bench which is just ridiculous.

I want to get a similar formula for 10 dips, 10 one arm pushups, 1 muscle up, 1 arm chin up

Getting numbers for the 10 dips and 10 one arm push ups would be easy if people posted their bench, their bw and how many dips and one arm push ups they can do.

Getting numbers for the muscle up are much more difficult as there is more skill involved and it is dependent on both pull up and dip numbers.

Any takers?

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[quote]ros1816 wrote:
What is strength?

Being able to do a muscle up over a wall to escape a predator or being able to fend the predator off?
What if the predator is a tiger?

If you can move other people but not move yourself are you still strong?

These are actually things I think about nearly every day.[/quote]

[off-topic]Yep, you gotta watch out for those pesky city sewer gators. I swear I’ve seen them take a man’s leg off on my way to work. Better work on my functional strength and forget about the big 3 so that doesn’t happen to me [/off-topic).

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[quote]ros1816 wrote:
This thread has become an absolute vs relative strength argument which was not my original intention. I’m not a bodyweight guy, but a powerlifter (or at least i will be after my first comp on 28th Nov, even if my expected total is only 1100lb). I’d like to be able to dips, and am curious about other bodyweight exercises however. What I really want to know is this:

I posted a thread ‘can anyone here do handstand push ups’.

I wanted to get an idea of how much I would have to weigh and how strong I would need to be do one.

Based off people’s bench numbers (although military would be a much better measure) my bodyweight would need to be 50-64% of my bench in order to do a handstand pushup. At 280bw I would need a 440-500+ bench which is just ridiculous.
[/quote] You sure you want to be a powerlifter?
Seriously, what do you think is appropriate for that bodyweight… A bench in the 300’s ? 405 for a single? Did you maybe confuse powerlifting with scooter-riding at walmart?

If dips don’t give you shoulder trouble and you train them every now and again, doing 10 BW dips should hardly be a problem. Infinitely easier than 10 pull-ups for heavy guys imo (which are ultimately also entirely doable… If you train that lift.

Never tried a muscle-up, what am I, Bob the muscle-upping squirrel?

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[quote]ros1816 wrote:
This thread has become an absolute vs relative strength argument which was not my original intention. I’m not a bodyweight guy, but a powerlifter (or at least i will be after my first comp on 28th Nov, even if my expected total is only 1100lb). I’d like to be able to dips, and am curious about other bodyweight exercises however. What I really want to know is this:

I posted a thread ‘can anyone here do handstand push ups’.

I wanted to get an idea of how much I would have to weigh and how strong I would need to be do one.

Based off people’s bench numbers (although military would be a much better measure) my bodyweight would need to be 50-64% of my bench in order to do a handstand pushup. At 280bw I would need a 440-500+ bench which is just ridiculous.

I want to get a similar formula for 10 dips, 10 one arm pushups, 1 muscle up, 1 arm chin up

Getting numbers for the 10 dips and 10 one arm push ups would be easy if people posted their bench, their bw and how many dips and one arm push ups they can do.

Getting numbers for the muscle up are much more difficult as there is more skill involved and it is dependent on both pull up and dip numbers.

Any takers?
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Ah but see you’re posting in the powerlifting forum which is about ABSOLUTE strength. Powerlifting truly is about putting up the biggest numbers you can which is why you’re getting so much flack from people here. Should of posted this in the bodybuilding forum or conditioning forum.

If you’re pissed about your ability to do BW exercises, lose some weight which ultimately helps BW exercises more then increasing strength. Judging by your lifts and your current weight I’d say you probably have a decent amount of fat you could stand to lose am I wrong? Instead of calculating out % of bench to be able to do a handstand push up, why not just focus on the two things that are easy and not make it complicated:

  1. Get stronger
  2. Lose fat

Focus on those two things, every now and then try a handstand pushup until you can get one. Can’t get one? Focus on those two things, eventually it will come.

I doubt many people in this forum are going to waste the time to max out on pushups or muscle-ups or dips with just bodyweight. It just doesn’t fit with the rest of our training programs nor is it a focus. The person who does 100 pushups every morning and benches 250, is going to be better at pushups then the person who benches 300 and does no pushups even if they are the same weight. This is because the person doing pushups every morning is training his body for that type of work in a neural aspect as well as a structural aspect.

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[quote]ros1816 wrote:
This thread has become an absolute vs relative strength argument which was not my original intention. I’m not a bodyweight guy, but a powerlifter (or at least i will be after my first comp on 28th Nov, even if my expected total is only 1100lb). I’d like to be able to dips, and am curious about other bodyweight exercises however. What I really want to know is this:

I posted a thread ‘can anyone here do handstand push ups’.

I wanted to get an idea of how much I would have to weigh and how strong I would need to be do one.

Based off people’s bench numbers (although military would be a much better measure) my bodyweight would need to be 50-64% of my bench in order to do a handstand pushup. At 280bw I would need a 440-500+ bench which is just ridiculous.

I want to get a similar formula for 10 dips, 10 one arm pushups, 1 muscle up, 1 arm chin up

Getting numbers for the 10 dips and 10 one arm push ups would be easy if people posted their bench, their bw and how many dips and one arm push ups they can do.

Getting numbers for the muscle up are much more difficult as there is more skill involved and it is dependent on both pull up and dip numbers.

Any takers?

[/quote]

It’s not science class. pick a goal and work towards it. It doesn’t matter how much you weigh, or how strong you are in other exercises, etc… work towards your goal.

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better question, what is your goal ros? what do YOU want to do?

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[quote]matsm21 wrote:
better question, what is your goal ros? what do YOU want to do?[/quote]

Simple [pretty much in order of importance]:
1470lb raw total [220/500-140/310-300/660], 300kg deadlift, 220kg squat, 160kg power clean, 100kg military, 160kg front squat, 140kg bench, ability to do a muscle up, 20 chin ups, dips, vertical jump of 30inches (it’s a bit ridiculous not being able to dunk at 6’9), handstand push up.

What does that make make me then? powerlifter, strongman???

Conflicting goals/wanting it all syndrome? I don’t think so.

I left out ability to wrestle stags, tigers, small bears and win.

All of these goals are achievable apart from maybe a muscle up at 280bw whilst only having a 310 bench [but I still don’t know because nobody will provide data on this], and definitely the handstand push up. Oh and maybe the one about the wild animals

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[quote]ros1816 wrote:

[quote]matsm21 wrote:
better question, what is your goal ros? what do YOU want to do?[/quote]

Simple:
1470lb raw total [220/500-140/310-300/660], 300kg deadlift, 220kg squat, 160kg power clean, 100kg military, 160kg front squat, 140kg bench, ability to do a muscle up, 20 chin ups, dips, vertical jump of 30inches (it’s a bit ridiculous not being able to dunk at 6’9), handstand push up.

What does that make make me then? powerlifter, strongman???

Conflicting goals/wanting it all syndrome? I don’t think so.

I left out ability to wrestle stags, tigers, small bears and win.

All of these goals are achievable apart from maybe a muscle up at 280bw whilst only having a 310 bench [but I still don’t know because nobody will provide data on this], and definitely the handstand push up. Oh and maybe the one about the wild animals
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You may have to prioritize those goals because it will be difficult to do all of them if you have to carry alot of bodyweight to hit those barbell lifts. For instance at 6’1" and 285-290 lbs I was able to SQ 510, BP 370, DL 620, and military press 250. It took every bit of that bodyweight for me to reach those numbers as I’ve lost a good amount of fat and weight and my lifts have dropped off considerably. At that weight I might have been good for 1 pull-up and 12-15 dips. My vertical was no where near 30 inches at that size, even though I used to have a 31" vertical at ~215 lbs. There was also no way I was doing a handstand push-up at that size. Unless you are one of those guys that can carry 280+ lbs of bodyweight and stay very lean (i.e. carry a ton of muscle at that size) you will have a hard time with these goals. It’s OK to try and see what you can accomplish, but at some point you may have to prioritize which goals are most important.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
what am I, Bob the muscle-upping squirrel?[/quote]

ya, lol