Cass, if you chocolate yourself up my tongue will stretch to reach you. Even from here.
Thanks for the info, babe. 
Alrighty,
This was fun for awhile and now Iām finished playing.
Zulu is right. This was not a competition to me, it was actually a very good learning lesson, and it helped me practice my research skills.
But enough is enough.
Niel, unlike you, I actually spent some time and brainpower researching a subject rather than just copying and pasting an excerpt from some website with little credibility. Give it a try one dayā¦ you might learn something.
Also, I honestly can say I know where you are coming from.
I was also a natural health food fanatic at one point in my life. At the age of 17 I managed and lived in a health food store. I read every ānaturalā healing book there was, and I thought I knew everything too. I believed that processing and additives were EVIL and supplements and natural was the best. In my part time I worked beside a Naturopath Doctor and I thought that convential medicine was crap.
Boy was I out-to-lunch.
Not that Iām saying that natural medicine is totally bogus, but sometimes it just gets WAY out of hand.
I actually made myself sicker by taking mega-doses of vitamins (like you Neil, I took 10,000 IUās and more of vitamin A etc). I would only drink purified water and I had crazy notions about food (I wonāt even get into them all nowā¦it would take all day).
But what Iāve learned through all of my ānaturalā experiences -and my now current scientific experiences- is that there is a place for BOTH of these trains of thought, and you need to find a balance somewhere in the middle.
Niel, right now you are young and inexperienced. Give yourself some time to learn more about the theories behind basic science and keep an open mind to new ideas, because you never know when you might need them one dayā¦
So, Iād like to finish with:
Butter is good.
Canola oil is good.
GROW is great!
and
I LOVE THIS FORUM!
(Especially when Char-Dawg says heāll lick chocolate off my naked body
Neil, I heard TC and Shuggart are looking for candidates for the next T-Vixen roundtableā¦
Alright, we all know Cass is intelligent, and Neil likes to site WestonAPrice.com. Who cares. Stop making comments about licking Cass. It is just non-sense for this type of debate about fats. Seriously.
Cass,
as a precursor I wasnt talking about tissue , I was stating in the first stomach of a ruminant, VA isnt a precursor to CLA. Bacterial hydrogenation will convert LA->CLA->VA or it can go the n-3 way ALA->forgotten this one->VA
Transfat content is still 5-10% dairy fat anyway. There was even a recent trial to feed cows LCPUFAs, which increases the LCPUFA in the animals as well as VA, VA is the predominant trans fat in dairy but htere is still high levels of t9 and t10
Werdā¦!
Cass, what do you suggest for the lay people who donāt have your kind of knowledge? Thereās just so much scary info floating around: mercury in fish, fluoride in water, additives in meat, pasteurization in milk, etc, etc. And you canāt ditch all advice, because thatās exactly what the average American does and we see what that yields.
-Zulu
I think eating saturated fats and sugar together will get you the results your looking for Neil G.
JA
Does anyone know what the polyunsaturated fat breakdown is of mackerel including how many grams per ounce, 6:3 ratio, and DHA/EPA? Iām trying to find out whether its a decent alternative to salmon just for variation.
Thanks,
pete
Maybe this siteāll help you out.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-001-02s0354.html
At first glance it looks like an excellent source!
Cheers,
-Zulu
Hey Zulu,
Actually, that site is acccurate. I checked out some of the foods and they are right on the money.
However, the downfall is that you have to know how to interpret the data and you canāt change the serving size of the food.
But it does give you the tools to learn more.
Cass
Great site, thanks.
Unfortuneately I donāt know how to convert the data, but Iāll just guess that since it has polys and is fish its fairly high in omega 3 and can be used as the occasional replacement.
Zulu wrote: Cass, what do you suggest for the lay people who donāt have your kind of knowledge? Thereās just so much scary info floating around: mercury in fish, fluoride in water, additives in meat, pasteurization in milk, etc, etc. And you canāt ditch all advice, because thatās exactly what the average American does and we see what that yields.
This is an excellent question, and I have some comments relating to it:
First, not everyone is going to be an expert on everything. But a lot of people have specific knowledge about some areas. And some of those people happen to be on this board. So my solution is: after reading all of the above, Iām going to go with a previous poster and say, āHey, Cass spends her whole life researching this stuff - Iām going to take her word for it.ā
Now hopefully, someone else who also knows his or her onions will provide a second opinion about whatever Cass writes. Obviously, no one knows everything, and itās good to have someone keeping you honest. But basically, Iām gonna trust Cass on oils until thereās a very good reason not to. Just like I trust Joel on leptin, just like I trust Berardi on general nutrition, and just like I trust TC on RealDolls.
Second, I think that there comes a point where too much reading and research can become a bad thing, as it takes you away from reality, in a way. Thinking about all the scares that Zulu listed aboveā¦ I think that a lot of them can be dismissed with just a little common sense. (And this isnāt a slam; we all get caught up in the fear sometimes.) Think about mercury and fish, for example. All this talk about it, and yet the people who eat the most fish generally live the longest. Nitrites in deli food? You can eat all the deli food you want, and itās not going to kill you. Yes, maybe if you live ONLY on deli food youāll develop problems, but Iām talking about within an otherwise decent lifestyle. It wonāt hurt you. (So go ahead. You know you want that Subway.)
All this stuff is no different from the general public thinking that excess protein is going to make your liver explode. Theyāre worried about āsomething I readā, but their brains have disengaged. Even a little rational reflection will reveal the truth very quickly.
So my point here is: if you hear about something that sounds really frightening and also is startling (āDamn! I didnāt know that!ā), just step back and think about it for a minute. Generally, the reason you didnāt know whatever it was is that itās not really a problem. But some reporter had to make his deadline.
As for Cass and the chocolateā¦heh, next time I get to Canadaā¦
Can anyone give me any comments on primrose oil? I cant find any fish oils at ny of the stores here in Korea, but I can get light olive oil and wellā¦ primrose oil. anyone know anything about it? any good?
how about:
sesame oil?
soybean oil?
ājust step back and think about it for a minute.ā
But had I done that, I still might be eating corn oil, soya and white bread thinking it was good for my health.
Anyway, hopefully Iāll research teh truth for myself some day.
-Zulu